Notch Tweets Rage Over Minecraft Party Sexual Assault

[mjc0961]

"Then he grabbed my free wrist and put it on his crotch and asked 'Is this big enough?'"

Holy shit, my sides.

You would have thought this crap would have received a moderation by now.

Not because it's blatantly offensive, oh no. The enforcement of the rules on this forum sucks too much for that. But because it's a FOUR WORD POST HOLY CRAP TOO SHORT DELETE DELETE DELETE!!!!

 

[Chiave]

Blown out of proportion, are you kidding?

I just find it extremely ironic that iRevanchist likened a grown woman to a child.

That wasn't some accidental hand placement in a crowded place, what he did was intentional and totally disgusting. If I were in the same situation, I couldn't imagine wanting to report something like that to a stranger. And if I did and was blown off in such a way, then yes, that would be pretty upsetting.

Do you know what would have been "totally disgusting?" If she had caught herpes or some STI from this guy.

Jesus Christ, some of you people.

If touching someone's penis at a party is the worst thing that can happen to you, I don't know what to tell you.

Get Real?

 

[Sexy Devil]

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[cobra_ky]

You two have got to be kidding me.
That's not stringing someone along, that's called being too polite to just tell the bugger to piss off because they're creeps;
And holy hell, talking to someone counts as consent these days?

I've never ran across a politeness etiquette which demanded that you engage in dirty talk with people for minutes on end, you?

And yes, talking along is almost the same as explicit consent. It's not 'talking to someone', it's dirty talk. If you've been having a conversation about sex for the past half hour, is it truly unthinkable that a person would want to take the logical next step?

Is it unthinkable that someone could talk about sex without wanting to take that step? shouldn't you make damn sure they're willing to take that step before you whip your dick out in public?

I mean, if your girlfriend comes over, do you talk and such, and then pause everything and ask "But wait, do I have permission to kiss you now"? No you don't. Why? Because the background strongly suggests she'd be okay with that anyway. And if that turns out to be a huge misunderstanding, it's exactly that, a huge misunderstanding. That's not even remotely close to sexual assault.

Is your girlfriend a complete stranger you just met at a party? The "background" you're referring to doesn't exist.

Yes you freaking can!
I. JUST. DON'T. EVEN.

So it's okay to engage in dirty talk and a clearly sexual situation, and when you feel a regret about that later on, blame everyone else but yourself and turn an innocent man into someone labeled as a sex offender because the girl can't maintain her own limits and is so stupid she drinks too much.

No, that would be dishonest. Worse yet, false allegations like that are even a crime.

Because, big surprise, a sexual situation is sexual in nature. Sex-related things like... *gasp* touching eachother happen there. If you didn't want any of that, don't get involved in that.

One thing you can't do is get involved voluntarily, and then blame the other for what you did.

HE GRABBED HER HAND AND PUT IT ON HIS JUNK. She didn't stick her hand down his pants and feel bad about it later. This guy took advantage of her politeness, and possibly her inebriation, then performed a sexual act on her without her consent. That makes him a sex offender. "maintain her own limits"? Just what do you think those limits are? Because it seems to me that you don't think a woman should even speak to any man she isn't willing to fuck right then and there.

Consent is an active, voluntary, and enthusiastic agreement. Consent is not a binding contract and can be revoked at any time. When you assume consent you do so at your own risk.

 

[Chemical Alia]

Jesus Christ, some of you people.

If touching someone's penis at a party is the worst thing that can happen to you, I don't know what to tell you.

Get Real?

I see no fundamental difference between what he did and if he had groped her. So yeah, it's pretty fucked up to brush his actions off as no big deal and judge the actions of a complete stranger you never met as an over-reaction. And simply talking to someone is not consent to sexual conduct.

I honestly thought up until reading this thread that this sort of thing was really a matter of common sense and decency, but once again the Escapist community has proven me wrong. Shame on you, though, seriously. I don't care if you wouldn't be bothered by such a thing, but it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to see how other people could be greatly upset and humiliated by it.

 

[Caverat]

I guess you could say...

That party got out of hand.

*glasses*

YYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[Chiave]

I honestly thought up until reading this thread that this sort of thing was really a matter of common sense and decency, but once again the Escapist community has proven me wrong. Shame on you, though, seriously. I don't care if you wouldn't be bothered by such a thing, but it shouldn't be difficult for anyone to see how other people could be greatly upset and humiliated by it.

Haha

Right. Because treating someone who is looking for sympathy, like a baby, is the correct way to handle this situation? I'm not some boy scout master who's going to pat you on the head if you fuck up. Point blank, I don't give a fuck about how anyone feels. Your feelings don't matter.

Why not look at the facts and learn something from them, so that this won't happen again? One thing she should have gotten from all this is that she is on her own and responsible for her own safety. Now let me tell you something, THAT is fucking common sense. Not this feelings pandering bullshit.

 

[Caverat]

I saw what you did there... In fact you could say "CSI saw what you did there".

Or that a bird in her hand....

Was worth none in her bush.

*glasses over glasses*

YYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

 

[hazabaza1]

Right, while this guy is a massive **** and deserves to get caught and punished, that little... technique of his is somewhat amusing.

 

[Immsys]

I may be slow to the party here, but what exactly did the girl expect the security guard to do? Unfortunately it is, as always, one persons word against another's, not to mention what i guess was a very basic description given by, self-reportedly, a girl who was drinking. To search a party full of people accusing people who semi-fit a description given by someone drinking would have been irresponsible. Anyone who's been to clubs will know that sexual assault is a charge that is thrown around a lot, by people who are at very least "inebriated". I couldn't tell you how many claims are true and how many are just either misunderstandings or over-exaggerations, but from the securities point of view its an impossible situation.

To clarify: I'm not saying that this girl is somehow lying, or not deserving of someone trying to find who did this to her, just that the expectation that the security can do anything is a flawed misrepresentation of their capabilities. the best case scenario is that they can keep an eye out and see if any other situations occur from someone like that and then act, but to actively search the party is a complete waste of time.

 

[Immsys]

I don't know how some people who rage about the guy go about sex. Talk about it, and then fill out a written invitation to a kiss in triplicate, kiss eachother, and then fill out another form for more naughty stuff? Ussually that goes pretty fluently and ad hoc doesn't it?

I really don't see the least basis for the moral highground and condemning viewpoint you're taking. There's not even the slighest indication if accidentally crossing the line was his intention.

Here here. You are a far braver man than I, sir, for it is known that to not act emotionally and over protectively towards women in any sexual situation, as opposed to the rational view you've given, is surely death by the flame and rage of a billion users who think they are being "chivalrous".

Many people, including women, have pointed out the double standard commonly held, what is sexual assault from one man may be "hooking up with" another, depending on how attractive they are.

 

[Elf Defiler Korgan]

When security guard and even police try to say something is not a big deal, when it is, urgh, expert level of laziness reached.

Indecent exposure, sexual assault, its serious.

 

[Frostbite3789]

Snip

That's it guys. We can't make jokes about anything ever in the whole world that might ever offend somebody. Party is over. Someone better call all comedians and anyone who ever talks and let them know.

 

[Frostbite3789]

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Dude...whoa. Chill out with the logic. We have to have the witch hunt, ruin as many people as possible based on unsubstantiated claims alone, then we look back with somber recollection and use logic.

You're going out order.

 

[cobra_ky]

Is it unthinkable that someone could talk about sex without wanting to take that step?

Is it unthinkable that someone could talk about sex and wanting to take that step?

The point is that you damn well don't know.

shouldn't you make damn sure they're willing to take that step before you whip your dick out in public?

Looks like he did to a good degree from the little that the story tells us.

I don't know what story you're reading then.

HE GRABBED HER HAND AND PUT IT ON HIS JUNK. She didn't stick her hand down his pants and feel bad about it later. This guy took advantage of her politeness, and possibly her inebriation, then performed a sexual act on her without her consent.

That can only be defended if 'consent' is exclusively a written form in triplicate. But it doesn't work like that fortunately. Everything about the situation looked like she was okay with it. Don't be surprised if that communicates to someone else that she'd be okay with it.

Literally nothing about this situation indicated she was ok with it. I'm not even sure why anyone would think exposing yourself at a party would be ok to begin with.

You clearly don't understand how consent works, and that's why my last post had an entire paragraph at the end describing how it works. Read it again, and note the complete lack of forms involved.

Sucks if that was a misunderstanding, but accusing someone of crimes over that is overblown, ridiculous and unfair.

The only misunderstanding here is that guy doesn't understand how a competent adult behaves in public. It's completely fair to accuse him of a crime because that's allegedly what he did.

So yeah, it's pretty fucked up to brush his actions off as no big deal and judge the actions of a complete stranger you never met as an over-reaction. And simply talking to someone is not consent to sexual conduct.

You've understood the story wrong. It wasn't 'just talking'. Even the limited version that got out to the news article pretty clearly speaks of talking in a clear sexual context. Speaking of common sense, it's common sense that if you talk sex with someone, probably in an inviting way, that the invitation is accepted to smaller or greater degree.

if you talk food with someone, is that an invitation for them to start ramming shrimp down your throat? I mean it's perfectly reasonable to assume that if you're talking about food, you must be hungry.

I don't know how some people who rage about the guy go about sex. Talk about it, and then fill out a written invitation to a kiss in triplicate, kiss eachother, and then fill out another form for more naughty stuff? Ussually that goes pretty fluently and ad hoc doesn't it?

Well for starters, you could at least ask "hey wanna see my cock?" before you start shoving people's hands down your pants.

I really don't see the least basis for the moral highground and condemning viewpoint you're taking. There's not even the slighest indication if accidentally crossing the line was his intention.

Who gives a shit was his intentions were? His actions were criminal and morally reprehensible. I'm sure most drunk drivers never intended to cause fatal accidents, either.

 

[cobra_ky]

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That's it guys. We can't make jokes about anything ever in the whole world that might ever offend somebody. Party is over. Someone better call all comedians and anyone who ever talks and let them know.

I'm not sure why you think this is at all relevant to the post you quoted.

Snip

Dude...whoa. Chill out with the logic. We have to have the witch hunt, ruin as many people as possible based on unsubstantiated claims alone, then we look back with somber recollection and use logic.

You're going out order.

We don't know the names or identities of anyone involved with this incident (except the alleged victim). Whose life could we possibly be ruining here?

You know, you really ought to give this logic thing a shot some time. it's works pretty well!

 

[Dusty Donuts]

Maybe it was that whole shock thing of how close she came to being taken advantage of. People go into shock when they have a near-death experience, and you don't go up to them and say you're a wimp cause you didn't die and it's your own fault because you're responsible for your own safety. (Not in every case, don't hold me to that)
But hey, it's not like it's such a bad thing that it's only a minor incident. It makes it a lot easier for her to get over. And if it was a serious incident, nobody would have any reason to complain about it.

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING, OH EM GEE

Like this uh, whole page.