Nuclear bombs kill the will to clean

[Ezekiel T Bluff]

Ah, my first topic...

So I was playing New Vegas last night, and started thinking:
New Vegas is set 100 and something years after Faloout 1. So the people inhabiting the world are present in that world at least 100 years (ghouls even longer since they originated from Vault 15, which was not closed). So said people live their lives normaly: they cook, they farm, they breed, they have water (irradiated, but still), they even have electricity. So the thing is: WHY DON'T THEY CLEAN? And by that I mean not just themselves, they don't even clean their houses or around their houses.

I know I wouldn't want to live in a house full of broken radios, broken glass, with a broken refrigirator thrown out some 200 years ago sitting outside my front door.

Comments? Let your voices be heard.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Its a game.

They don clean for the same reason 99% of places in RPGs don't have toilets.

Its a game, and the way we see the game world is not the way the actual universes world is.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

When you need to drink out of a toilet to survive and have to eat mutated roaches and flies to not starve, cleaning isn't as big a priority I guess.

 

[Ezekiel T Bluff]

Its a game.

They don clean for the same reason 99% of places in RPGs don't have toilets.

Its a game, and the way we see the game world is not the way the actual universes world is.

Fallout towns and settlements always had toilets.
I know it's a game, I just thougt it's a little silly. People formed a society on ruins of a decayed one, and don't want to live in a clean enviroment. It's like they don't want to throw out the garbage that was left before they came, because they werent the ones that left it there.

When you need to drink out of a toilet to survive and have to eat mutated roaches and flies to not starve, cleaning isn't as big a priority I guess.

But people in the Fallout universe no longer survive. They have survived and adapted to the new world, and now they inhabit it.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Water might not be as irradiated in the Mojave, but it's still the most precious commodity in the wasteland. You're not going to waste it by trying to scrub off 200 years of dirt.

 

[Ezekiel T Bluff]

Water might not be as irradiated in the Mojave, but it's still the most precious commodity in the wasteland. You're not going to waste it by trying to scrub off 200 years of dirt.

Good point. But you don't need water to throw out a 200 year old refrigirator sitting by your front door stinking up the place.

 

[SajuukKhar]

Fallout towns and settlements always had toilets.
I know it's a game, I just thougt it's a little silly. People formed a society on ruins of a decayed one, and don't want to live in a clean enviroment. It's like they don't want to throw out the garbage that was left before they came, because they werent the ones that left it there.

I was talking about RPGs in general not having toilets.

When making a game, sometimes forcing the.... tone? i guess... of the game requires that you do some things with the environment, and the buildings, that don't really make sense in order to pass the tone off to the player.

 

[Ezekiel T Bluff]

Just want to make one thing clear: I love Fallout games, especially the old ones.
I realize that Fallout wouldn't be Fallout without garbage. I just think it's silly that no one threw away old fridges for 200 years.

 

[Sidmen]

Good point. But you don't need water to throw out a 200 year old refrigirator sitting by your front door stinking up the place.

The same reason that people in the modern world don't throw out all their junk. Because you might need it later. There isn't much sense in carrying off that big slab of steel (frige) when you might need to use it to plug up a hole in your house later down the line.

Or maybe you'd need a big basin to fill up with water when it rains real good. Tip that frige on its side and put some putty in the cracks, and presto - temporary water storage.

It's also kinda heavy, and moving anything in the wasteland will have to be done with manual labor, so F-it. That's a LOT of work to move it even a couple dozen feet, let alone out of sight.

 

[sanquin]

Eh, I wouldn't look too much into it. I mean, a TON of things don't make sense in the fallout universe. Food/medical supplies that are still usable/edible from before the apocalypse? As if that's possible.

100 years and all the people were able to do is make small, mostly primitive settlements? We went from the invention of the telephone to right now with our computers and such in about 125 years or so. Even with survival being priority, advancement would have been far greater. The world feels more like 10~20 years after the apocalypse.

For that matter, laser guns, but no working transportation? How does that work?

Etc etc. It's a game. An rpg at that. Just sit back and enjoy.

 

[SlaveNumber23]

Cleaning up after the nuclear apocalypse is way too big of a job to bother doing.

 

[Pink Gregory]

Just want to make one thing clear: I love Fallout games, especially the old ones.
I realize that Fallout wouldn't be Fallout without garbage. I just think it's silly that no one threw away old fridges for 200 years.

Where would you throw it?
Just 'away'?

I'd say if anything that's what the Wasteland displays...

 

[Ezekiel T Bluff]

Just want to make one thing clear: I love Fallout games, especially the old ones.
I realize that Fallout wouldn't be Fallout without garbage. I just think it's silly that no one threw away old fridges for 200 years.

Where would you throw it?
Just 'away'?

I'd say if anything that's what the Wasteland displays...

When I say away, I mean away from my entrance.

 

[Vault101]

Comments? Let your voices be heard.

in fallout 3 there is actually a women who makes a living cleaning....in Rivet city which is suposed to be some kind of put together civilisation

also if I were to try and fan-wank that one....it may not just be an issue of clenliness..but the fact alot of the stuff may be burnt/rundown which is harder to fix

 

[exobook]

There a lot of these odd headscrathers in fallout.

Perhaps my best in New Vegas is why the NCR's storeroom in the Hoover dam is using broken shelves. I mean, how hard is it just to spend a minute slipping them back on the hooks?

(the real reason of course is that they recycled most of the stuff from fallout 3 and didn't want to waste time on minor things like that)

 

[Ezekiel T Bluff]

Comments? Let your voices be heard.

in fallout 3 there is actually a women who makes a living cleaning....in Rivet city which is suposed to be some kind of put together civilisation

also if I were to try and fan-wank that one....it may not just be an issue of clenliness..but the fact alot of the stuff may be burnt/rundown which is harder to fix

This is just nipicking for the sake of it (from the start).

I wasnt talking about fixing anything, imagine this scenario:
After the apocalypse civilization was rebuilt on the ruins of an old one. After drifting through the mojave wasteland united with some other drifters, you form a town of Goodsprings on the ruins of a pre war settlement. Somebody opens a tavern, a doctor's office, a store, etc... Then everybody chooses a house from a selection of ruined but habitable houses. Then you move in your house, and don't bother picking up the broken glass from the floor, throwing out the chared remains of previous inhabitants, and you continue living there for 20 something years, AND YOU DON'T MOVE THE 200 YEAR OLD FRIDGE FROM YOUR ENTRANCE TO THE RAVINE 500 METERS AWAY.

Didn't mean to shout, just got carried away.
And I do realize that those remains are necesary for the aestetic of the Fallout universe, and I DO love the game as it is, but it's just too fun for me to nitpick.

 

[Squilookle]

I'd say when you're trying to survive in a post-nuclear apocalypse, you would make an effort to touch as few objects as absolutely possible in order to survive. Makes sense to me.

 

[ShindoL Shill]

Water might not be as irradiated in the Mojave, but it's still the most precious commodity in the wasteland. You're not going to waste it by trying to scrub off 200 years of dirt.

Good point. But you don't need water to throw out a 200 year old refrigirator sitting by your front door stinking up the place.

Yeah, but I have a feeling the council or whoever might not be able to collect it and take it to the tip, what with them all being dead. You're really just moving it from your door to the street. And then everyone else is going to be pissed off because there's a fridge in the street now.
Plus, there probably aren't enough cleaning products to last 100 years.

100 years and all the people were able to do is make small, mostly primitive settlements? We went from the invention of the telephone to right now with our computers and such in about 125 years or so. Even with survival being priority, advancement would have been far greater. The world feels more like 10~20 years after the apocalypse.
For that matter, laser guns, but no working transportation? How does that work?

It's quite simple. The world has gone back to hunter-gatherer food sources, because people can't farm (water is irradiated, ground is dry) and livestock are at risk from all the things out in the wastelands. All the technology is just stuff that was preserved and saved from the blasts, or jury-rigged from crap found in the wastes.
The reason there is no working transport is because it all got nuked.

The thing is, we went from telephones to computers in 125 years, but we also had industrial revolutions, working technology, agriculture, mass livestock farming and civilisation before we got to work on written history, let alone telephones. The only reason we could have industry is because we didn't all have to hunt for food, because we had agriculture. With agriculture, we could have people focus on machines and science and medicine.
In Fallout, we don't have agriculture because of radiation and Deathclaws etc.

 

[maninahat]

Water might not be as irradiated in the Mojave, but it's still the most precious commodity in the wasteland. You're not going to waste it by trying to scrub off 200 years of dirt.

Good point. But you don't need water to throw out a 200 year old refrigirator sitting by your front door stinking up the place.

Woah, hold on a minute there. You'll be thanking your lucky stars for that refrigerator when the next wave of bombs come.