Nudity, americans and teen pregnancy

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Sol_HSA

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I had a discussion with a US citizen regarding their fear of nudity. One of the reasons he claimed was the alarming teen pregnancy in his country, and accused that sexuality in advertisements etc. is a huge factor.

Soo.. I googled around a bit, and found that France, one of the most relaxed countries on the planet when it comes to sexuality, actually has one of the lowest rates of teen pregnancies.

So what gives?

I've always found the "no nudity, but murders are ok" mentality somewhat twisted.
 

Angerwing

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It could be said that the stigma associated to sex in American society could be the cause, not the counter-intuitively prevalent nudity.
 

MagicMouse

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You have to remember that you are dealing with the issues of two generations here.

The "No Nudity" rule is set in place by far previous generations, and the "Be a Whore" rule is set by only the last few.
 

Lord Legion

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Our country was built on war, i guess. That's what we are comfortable with, that's what we keep as family values. I think bad parenting and zero discipline result in teen pregnancy.
 

Kevonovitch

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as a canadian, we enjoy sex, and nudity :p we, as general individuals, are pretty relaxed about it, but our institutions are pretty tight on it :/ teen pregnancy is frowned uppon yeah, but we don't go freaking out about it. hell when some teen DOES get pregnant, (not that common, but it does happen.) all i hear about it is a bit split between "she's a slut/whore/ectect/slanderslanderslander." thanks sexist assholes. maybe she was raped, and is pregnant cuz of that? (<- it does happen <:[ ) ever think of that? maybe the condom broke, and dosen't want to/like, abortion, ever think of that? maybe she just really likes sex, but then again, what's wrong with that? ok if they're not 16+ (legal age here for concent.) thats just WRONG in my oppinion. (had several debates about age/concent ect, i myself, find 16+ to be reasonable.) then yeah...eeewwwwww and someone shoot the pedophile plz? and the other side, thats all "i hope her bf treats her and the baby good/i hope her family supports her/i want things to be ok for them all/ectect." all i gotta say to them is; if you care so much, stfu and help out ins ome way! sheesh :p it ain't that hard, go buy em some diaper's or baby wipes or something.

the one view i can't stand, and i'm seeing more often, is the whole "ew get rid of it/we won't support you if you're pregnant/ect" especially if it's a teen, thats when they need MORE support if anything! seriously, if they're REALLY young, like 12-14, :/ yeah, um, WTF!? castrate the dude, and seriously....no idea about what to say about the girl O_O;

as far as i'm concerned about abortion at all ages; it should be a joint descition between both parent's, and not a forced descition either, but i do agree, it is more the woman/girl's choice, i mean, she is the one pregnant and all, but, it dosen't mean she should have to shoulder everything herself, not everyone is superman, sometimes ya need to use someone to lean on :p

but yeah, my 2 cents worth about teenage pregnancy. it happens, if it's too young, it's tricky, and if they're still in highschool, all i can say is; atleast finish highschool, and if the dude dosen't stick around, harrash his ass for support, cuz seriously, either A-he was an asshole who just didn't care. well, this should change his tune. or B-proly got scared, and ran, which, at that age, is reasonable, but still, gotta take responsability.

i myself had a child via unplanned, i was 18, and i woulden't trade the world for 'em :)
 

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Sol_HSA said:
I had a discussion with a US citizen regarding their fear of nudity. One of the reasons he claimed was the alarming teen pregnancy in his country, and accused that sexuality in advertisements etc. is a huge factor.

Soo.. I googled around a bit, and found that France, one of the most relaxed countries on the planet when it comes to sexuality, actually has one of the lowest rates of teen pregnancies.

So what gives?

I've always found the "no nudity, but murders are ok" mentality somewhat twisted.
I could not agree more..

They censor a boob, but if someone gets a bodypart cut of, smack it in the blender and use it as a part of a refreshing smoothie afterwards, that is all okay..

WTH??

I'd rather see a tit anyday and help populate the world, than kill someone..
 

Julianking93

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It doesn't seem so much as "nudity/sexual advertisement = teen pregnancy" to me as it seems more of "people who fuck a lot get the most attention and teenagers want attention"

Plus, there's the whole taboo aspect of it that seems appealing to people. You're not supposed to do anything risque at a young age, therefore people are going to do it. This includes everything from teen sex and pregnancy to drinking, doing drugs and really anything their parents tell them not to do.

However, what's interesting to me is that teen pregnancy is actually at an all time low now. Look at the rates back in the 50s.

And yes, the mentality of "having a guy's head being cut off is okay but saying a naughty word or showing a vagina is outright terrible" was always funny to me
 

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Angerwing said:
It could be said that the stigma associated to sex in American society could be the cause, not the counter-intuitively prevalent nudity.
Pretty much sums up my opinion. It's much less of an issue there than here atm, but the point stands. It seems that the more strict a society is in enforcing something, the more willing the younger generations are to spite them. Chalk it up to the rebellion mentality I guess.

Making it taboo is making it more exciting, and more appealing during the teenage years.
 

Nimzar

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I've got to find that Farscape clip of Chiana talking about the girls in the sexy clothes.


This scene says it all.
 

Verlander

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I don't believe that there is a huge link between the two. Countries that advocate and advertise safe sex help (which America doesn't as much as it should), but mostly I'd say it comes down to the economy. There are far more lower/working/lower middle class families in the UK and US than there are in France, and that is where teen pregnancy is most rife. That and teen pregnancy is kinda glamourised in our societies, especially with the celebrations of "single mums" leading retard 12 year old hicks to believe "they don't need no man" so they go and have a baby anyway... while most women who are even vaguely intelligent would wait until they are emotionally and financially able.

Also, to an extent, the government benefits to single/young parents help. I hate to say it, as a working class man, but getting money for starting a family is a pretty good incentive. Shame I'm too clever for that shit
 

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If a child is surrounded by toys and you take one that they have been ignoring they start crying because that toy has now become the one they need to play with.

It is the same with sex. If it is just lying around people will ignore it, because it is not that big of a deal. You take it away and people become obsessed with it.

People always seek out what they are told is taboo. Making something out to be horrible has the opposite effect on the masses.
 

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Pararaptor said:
Well, the idea that having more pictures of sexy stuff exposed to younger people will make them want to have sex makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Any post vaguely sexual from you must be read in Tim Curry's voice!

OT: I think it's more a case of parents being afraid to talk to their kids about sex. They find out about sex through osmosis from the media but know next to nothing about it.
 

Outright Villainy

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Pararaptor said:
Outright Villainy said:
Pararaptor said:
Well, the idea that having more pictures of sexy stuff exposed to younger people will make them want to have sex makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Any post vaguely sexual from you must be read in Tim Curry's voice!
If you're not reading all of my posts in Frank's drawl, you're missing out on the full experience.
Or better yet, any post by anybody!
 

Polaris19

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In this day and age, sex is sold, and everyone wants it (not in a prostitutional way).
 

Admiral Stukov

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Yeah because hiding things always works out perfectly fine.
The taboo on nudity is itself a large part of the problem, does the saying "forbidden fruit tastes the sweetest" ring any bells?
 

Keepitclean

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Angerwing said:
It could be said that the stigma associated to sex in American society could be the cause, not the counter-intuitively prevalent nudity.
/thread. From my point of view this is all that it is (I'm not American). I see the same thing happening with Australia and the drinking culture here.

Btw Angerwing I haven't seen you around for a while. Where have you been?
 

Lord Beautiful

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Pararaptor said:
Outright Villainy said:
Pararaptor said:
Well, the idea that having more pictures of sexy stuff exposed to younger people will make them want to have sex makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
Any post vaguely sexual from you must be read in Tim Curry's voice!
If you're not reading all of my posts in Frank's drawl, you're missing out on the full experience.
Sadly, when I try to audiate Tim Curry's sexy man-voice, I end up with the voice of Dio Brando. Oh, well. Close enough.