NX. IT'S HABBENING!!!!!

[SmallHatLogan]

Sooo...

It's like a WiiU that you can carry around and use as a handheld?

Which you do by pulling the controller in half and sticking the halves on a little screen?

And it can play games from 2011?

...

Nope, still can't muster a single fuck to give.

Points for trying though I guess.

Pretty much my thoughts. Gimmicks are a nice novelty but show me a decent game line up and then we can talk.

 

[Yoshi178]

BC has always been a staple of why Nintendo is so great to many of it's fans, it'll be interesting to see how the fanboys can suddenly shrug away the fact it's now missing.

Wii was the first Nintendo console to have BC. They have had it on their handhelds regularly but you are talking about console BC here and it has not always been a staple.

You're not understanding what I wrote; I didn't say "a staple of Nintendo consoles" I said: "a staple of why Nintendo is so great to many of it's fans". As in the fanboys have been banging that drum over the heads of Sony & MS for a long time but with the Switch, Nintendo aren't just minimising BC, they're outright killing it.

I'm not certain what to think. It looks like a case of innovation actually bringing something interesting to the table

Now if you read my post (#72) you will see that I like the Switch more than not. In fact, I don't have any dislikes currently but how is this innovative?

This is a handheld with a TV port. The PSP did this and even if you don't like the PSP example, this is still just a tablet with a TV dock. What's innovative here?

Let me put it another way. What if you never hooked the dock up the TV and used this exclusively as a handheld device, how is it any different than other handhelds or tablets (with a bluetooth controller)? I like it but it's not innovative.

I was actually thinking about this, I guess the only real "innovation" is that it's a gaming tablet, which I'm pretty sure it's really something that exists yet. But otherwise I can do pretty much the same thing with my phone already, in fact as a test I ran an emulator on my phone, then used Samsung Smart View to cast it to my TV, then used a PS4 pad as a bluetooth pad. Besides the power difference, it's pretty much the same thing, only I don't need a docking station.

Samsung could release a more powerful tablet, work a bit more on Smart View and pretty much have Nintendo instantly.

 

[Saelune]

I'm not certain what to think. It looks like a case of innovation actually bringing something interesting to the table

Now if you read my post (#72) you will see that I like the Switch more than not. In fact, I don't have any dislikes currently but how is this innovative?

This is a handheld with a TV port. The PSP did this and even if you don't like the PSP example, this is still just a tablet with a TV dock. What's innovative here?

Let me put it another way. What if you never hooked the dock up the TV and used this exclusively as a handheld device, how is it any different than other handhelds or tablets (with a bluetooth controller)? I like it but it's not innovative.

I was actually thinking about this, I guess the only real "innovation" is that it's a gaming tablet, which I'm pretty sure it's really something that exists yet. But otherwise I can do pretty much the same thing with my phone already, in fact as a test I ran an emulator on my phone, then used Samsung Smart View to cast it to my TV, then used a PS4 pad as a bluetooth pad. Besides the power difference, it's pretty much the same thing, only I don't need a docking station.

Samsung could release a more powerful tablet, work a bit more on Smart View and pretty much have Nintendo instantly.

Except ya know, Nintendo games. People like to gripe about how Nintendo needs more than first party titles, but thats just not true. It would be nice to have more games, but well, if you think Nintendo is dying without any games to play, phone gaming is worse. Theres a reason why handheld market is fine and dandy despite how "accessible" mobile gaming is. Pokemon > Microtransaction: The Game.

 

[Bellvedere]

So I had a lot of thoughts and a lot of questions as I watched the trailer.

Then I saw Splatwoon. Now I just care about two things:
1) It better have gyro controls
2) When?

 

[Yoshi178]

I'm not certain what to think. It looks like a case of innovation actually bringing something interesting to the table

Now if you read my post (#72) you will see that I like the Switch more than not. In fact, I don't have any dislikes currently but how is this innovative?

This is a handheld with a TV port. The PSP did this and even if you don't like the PSP example, this is still just a tablet with a TV dock. What's innovative here?

Let me put it another way. What if you never hooked the dock up the TV and used this exclusively as a handheld device, how is it any different than other handhelds or tablets (with a bluetooth controller)? I like it but it's not innovative.

I was actually thinking about this, I guess the only real "innovation" is that it's a gaming tablet, which I'm pretty sure it's really something that exists yet. But otherwise I can do pretty much the same thing with my phone already, in fact as a test I ran an emulator on my phone, then used Samsung Smart View to cast it to my TV, then used a PS4 pad as a bluetooth pad. Besides the power difference, it's pretty much the same thing, only I don't need a docking station.

Samsung could release a more powerful tablet, work a bit more on Smart View and pretty much have Nintendo instantly.

Except ya know, Nintendo games. People like to gripe about how Nintendo needs more than first party titles, but thats just not true. It would be nice to have more games, but well, if you think Nintendo is dying without any games to play, phone gaming is worse. Theres a reason why handheld market is fine and dandy despite how "accessible" mobile gaming is. Pokemon > Microtransaction: The Game.

I was only talking about the tech, in the end Nintendo aren't really inventing anything here, they're just applying it in another way.

 

[Fox12]

I'm legitimately curious. If they can get Atlus and From involved then maybe I'll even buy it.

Otherwise it can be the best console ever, but if it doesn't have any actual games on it then it will soon become the world's most expensive hammer.

 

[Bilious Green_v1legacy]

Well, it's interesting at least. The controller looks awfully uncomfortable to use for any length of time. I'll be interested to see more about its performance and the games that will be coming out for it, but given that SNES was the last Nintendo console I owned, I will take a bit of convicting to buy one.

 

[gorfias]

Yeah they could but it's a new console general public will expect it to be better than the last console. WiiU was little bit more powerful than ps3, 360 and the support for this level of power form 3rd party is pretty much over. Destiny dropping support, FFXIV dropping support etc. So to have a good level of 3rd party support Nintendo will need to do MUCH more than just little bit more powerful than WiiU. People were saying- "naah WiiU doesn't need 3rd party support it will be popular just off the first party stuff." Well it all turned in to a disaster. AND you can't count on Japanese to push sales ether, they all addicted to smartphone gacha games now.

You make a compelling argument about smartphones.

4 years ago I found this video scandalizing but it is happening. A buddy says his boy is all excited by a $80 PS3 they got used and a ton of cheap games BUT he never plays it. He's always on the phone.


So Nintendo is facing an issue that will effect all console makers. The NX seems to be a last gasp at keeping consoles relevant (but if you need portable, why would you not just use your phone, which you must carry anyway? Not sure: people like the DS and this may replace that).

Nintendo can hope to bring in 3rd party developers as the Wii did. The graphics of the Wii U, I think, would keep console player's happy enough if the game play has evolved into something better. I like the Wii U as a lark (Pikmin 3, etc.) very different and very different controller but the Xbox controller since Gen 6 has been the best on the market for 15 years. The NX will have something closer to this than that tablet.
Course, that last gasp argument was made about the Vita. And it arguably didn't work.

 

[Yoshi178]

I was only talking about the tech, in the end Nintendo aren't really inventing anything here, they're just applying it in another way.

Nintendo hasn't invented the concept of taking home console gaming on the go. but they are the first to do it right.


yeah, stuff like the PSVita could stream home console games on the go and take those games anywhere. aside from ignoring that i heard that feature had a few issues running those games while away from the console, that feature also needed 2 different machines, to be able to use that home console games on the go feature.

Nintendo Switch eliminates that problem and now there is just one system and one system only that is required and it doubles as both Home Console and the Handheld console now which hasn't been done on video game consoles yet. (or at least i don't think it has anyway unless some obscure mobile company that i never heard of did it way back a decade ago or something)

 

[gorfias]

IGN has some more info on it: http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/20/the-nintendo-nx-has-an-official-name-nintendo-switch?read

Sounds like a lot of games from THIS generation (or earlier... Skyrim). Says it will run Unreal 4 engine, which is pretty impressive. The screen may not have capacitance. Odd. Tegra processor. That can't be good.

 

[WeepingAngels]

The NX seems to be a last gasp at keeping consoles relevant (but if you need portable, why would you not just use your phone, which you must carry anyway? Not sure: people like the DS and this may replace that).

There has been an update, it is no longer called the NX. Anyway, there are a few problems with gaming on your phone and I don't see these problems going away:

- Games frequently crash when minimized for any period of time. The best games auto save often but it still common for them to crash when you take a phone call or simply put it to sleep for a long period. This isn't a problem with dedicated handhelds.

- OS updates break games and you have to wait up to months to get an update if they decide to update at all. This doesn't happen on dedicated handhelds.

- Most people prefer buttons to touch controls. You can use a bluetooth controller with your phone but if you are going to carry around a controller you may as well carry around a dedicated handheld. Actually, the Switch looks a little cumbersome to carry around with an exposed tablet screen (will there be an Otter Box available) and detachable controllers but we will see.

- I don't need to worry about missing phone calls or messages if my battery dies while playing games on a dedicated handheld while on a phone I just won't play for hours if I am not near a charger.

The first 2 are especially important and have stopped me from buying a game when I read it isn't compatible with the current OS update.

 

[Yoshi178]

This is why Nintendo needs to stop being so cheap and make competitively powered consoles again.

These gimmicks aren't the answer. Without the expensive Wii U controller, they could have allocated the costs towards things that mattered.

Edit: Probably should have left this in "Addiction to Failure", but whatever.

The constant moaning about zeldas graphics never ends does it?

 

[Avnger]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but how heavy is the thing going to be while in handheld mode? You're going to have to hold it up in the air due to the way the controller handles click in. Better start training those biceps and triceps boys & girls.

 

[gorfias]

Anyway, there are a few problems with gaming on your phone and I don't see these problems going away:.

All true. Are DS sales still strong? Even with the matters you mention, kids still seem to play on their phones a lot. Vita didn't make the sales (So I read. I have and enjoy mine, even though I'm old and can hardly see the screen and use it: some stuff I still make use of).

Do you think the Switch can replace the DS? Is there a place for it that the Vita didn't capture? Personally: I hope so but am irked if I have to rebuy Wii U games.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

The constant moaning about zeldas graphics never ends does it?

Especially when one shot was clearly from a staged trailer (though not prerendered) while another was taken off screen. Consistency is nice, though that's not a strong suit in people whining about "graphics."

 

[WeepingAngels]

Anyway, there are a few problems with gaming on your phone and I don't see these problems going away:.

All true. Are DS sales still strong? Even with the matters you mention, kids still seem to play on their phones a lot. Vita didn't make the sales (So I read. I have and enjoy mine, even though I'm old and can hardly see the screen and use it: some stuff I still make use of).

Do you think the Switch can replace the DS? Is there a place for it that the Vita didn't capture? Personally: I hope so but am irked if I have to rebuy Wii U games.

I don't keep up with the sales figures but the last I heard, 3DS was doing well. Kids play on their phones but are they playing bite size games or longer games like you would find on the 3DS and Vita? When I buy a phone game, it's always something like Dragon Quest or one of the older Final Fantasy games. JRPG's work well on a touch screen but something like a platformer doesn't work as well.

I don't know if the Switch will succeed, I hope so because there is alot for a 43 year old to like but I can't say if it will appeal to kids.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Not sure if anyone has brought this up yet, but how heavy is the thing going to be while in handheld mode? You're going to have to hold it up in the air due to the way the controller handles click in. Better start training those biceps and triceps boys & girls.

Nintendo's been trying to rectify the societal and physical problems they created in the 80's.

Their next handheld will be powered by a GPS tagged pedometer.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Excuses. The new version looks pretty dated and muddy no matter how you view it.

Don't get mad at me just because you were caught with your pants down by trying to rig an argument. Heck, at least try to do a little work and get for the official gameplay trailer they showed at E3 2016 (which isn't hard considering it's on Nintendo's Youtube page) instead of taking a lazy screencap of offscreen footage. Honesty goes a long way in persuasion.