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[Aurora219]

Bungie - the single most overrated dev. company.

I disagree. I like the company more than I like their games.

You like a game developing company more than their games?

Reread your post and think long and hard about it.

What's so wrong about that?

Yes, it's a bit odd, but I have more respect for Bungie than i do for most devs, because of their community spirit and openness. But I don't feel compelled to buy every one of their games. I've never missed a Bioware game to my knowledge, but I still like Bungie more.

 

[repeating integers]

Bungie - the single most overrated dev. company.

I disagree. I like the company more than I like their games.

You like a game developing company more than their games?

Reread your post and think long and hard about it.

Actually I can see where Aurora is coming from with this. Im not a Halo fan BUT I have a great respect for Bungie as a developer for being able to come up with a world as diverse as Halo
Im not a Marathon fan either and have zero interest in that series and I hated ONI

Still, I like Bungie even though I dont like their games. For the work they put into them and the frankly epic marketing they deserve the praise they get
So yeah, Im with Aurora on this one

If you don't like their games, they are doing something wrong.

The point of a video-game developer is to make games you enjoy. If they have failed you in this - why do you like them again?

Since reading seems to non-existant on the internet I'll say it again:

I said I have respect Bungie as a developer. They make great stories and worlds for their games. However, their games arent my cup of tea. That doesnt stop me from having respect for them though
Much the same with J.R.R Tolkien...I dont like Lord Of The Rings but I appreciate the amount of thought that went into it, as well as the writing.

In summary: Just because I dont like the final product doesnt mean I cant like the people who made it

How can you respect a company that is failing to do what they are supposed to be doing?

If you don't like playing their games, they have failed.

Their entire reason for being is to make games that you want to purchase and play.

By that logic, every single games company in the world has failed, since there is someone, somewhere who doesn't like at least one of their games.

There is not one single game which has absolute universal adoration. Not a single one. I bet there's someone out there who doesn't like Tetris, somewhere.

The people you're talking to respect Bungie, because they realise how much effort, love and adoration they've put into their games. What is wrong with this? CTU Loscombe provided an excellent analogy using Lord Of The Rings, which you've ignored.

It's perfectly possible to respect someone without liking what they produce.

 

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By that logic, every single games company in the world has failed, since there is someone, somewhere who doesn't like at least one of their games.

Thank you for missing the point completely -_-

They failed the person writing that comment.

I was questioning why that individual respected a failure of a company.

Just as a reviewer saying a game is bad does not mean the game is bad.

Learn to read and comprehend.

Sorry, I did indeed misunderstand.

Now go and read the other small paragraphs in that post, which contain points that still stand.

Learn to read and respond to posts fully.

 

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By that logic, every single games company in the world has failed, since there is someone, somewhere who doesn't like at least one of their games.

Thank you for missing the point completely -_-

They failed the person writing that comment.

I was questioning why that individual respected a failure of a company.

Just as a reviewer saying a game is bad does not mean the game is bad.

Learn to read and comprehend.

Sorry, I did indeed misunderstand.

Now go and read the other small paragraphs in that post, which contain points that still stand.

Learn to read and respond to posts fully.

It doesn't matter how much effort, love, and adoration they put into what they do.

I could put a whole lot of care and time into skinning a puppy alive. Doesn't mean you respect me.

It's completely irrelevant how the company does what they do. They failed to do what they are meant to do - entertain him and persuade him to purchase their products.

This is why I didn't bother replying to the rest of your comment the first time around - it is idiotic.

Learn to use your own mannerisms.

Well, OK, so you can't understand people's feelings here.

I'll try one last time to make you understand what they mean: Yahtzee, of Zero Punctuation, respects Bungie (despite thinking the Halo games average, the ****) because they know when to stop, and won't milk their franchise to the end of time like, say, George Lucas.

Come to think of it, let's reverse it. I like Star Wars, yet I don't respect George Lucas, because of his repeated attempts to beat a dead horse (see: his plans to bring them back into cinemas, in 3D, in 2012). Does this make no sense to you, too? If it does, then I don't see what your problem is.

 

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SNIP

I couldn't care less what Ben thinks.

They won't milk the franchise to death?

Let's see what they have done so far, shall we?

Video Games:

Halo

Halo 2

Halo 3

Halo Wars

Halo 3: ODST

Halo: Reah

Novels:

The Fall of Reach

The Flood

First Strike

Ghosts of Onyx

Contact Harvest

The Cole Protocol

Music:

Halo OST

Halo 2 OST

Halo 3 OST

Comics:

Halo: Uprising

Movies:

Halo Legends

And let us not forget the streams of merchandise they pump out, including:

Plush toys

Action figures

Weapons and armor

Clothing and other apparel

And more.

I have a feeling we are feeding a troll here

Still, Bungie have not milked Halo as much as Star Wars has been milked...Not by a long fucking shot

I suddenly got that feeling too, seeing as he completely missed the point (we were talking about how it's possible to respect a games company without liking their games, not Halo specifically) and immediately focused on about 2 of the words I said. He also failed to comprehend that I was quoting Yahtzee's view and not stating my own on the whole "milking" thing. And what the fuck is Halo: Reah?

I guess we should stop talking to him now.

But eh, I'm having fun.

Of all the things you mentioned, Bungie created the video games. 343 industries, Microsoft's Halo-oriented branch (and not a part of Bungie), oversees much of the rest, including the merchandise (for instance, they funded Halo: Legends). I'm not entirely sure how much involvement Bungie had in the books - I believe they may have approached the authors with requests to write a book, I'm not entirely sure you can accuse literature of being there solely to milk the franchise (like the merchandise, which falls under 343 industries' domain, as I said) - you could argue it's there to expand the background, as they attempt to do.

Anyway, as someone who has bought most of the games, one of the books (which was average), none of the comics, none of the merchandise and only Halo 3's OST on iTunes (which, by the way, is good), I only care about Bungie for their games. And they've created... 5 (Wars was technically created by Ensemble, the guys who made the Age of Empires games). 5 games isn't really very much, if I'm honest. Especially when you consider Half-life.

Video games:

Half-life

Half-life: Opposing Force

Half-life: Blue Shift

Half-life: Decay

Half-life 2

Half-life 2: Episode 1

Half-life 2: Episode 2

Codename: Gordon

Half-Life 2: Lost Coast

Portal

Portal 2 (both set in the Half-Life universe)


Lots of popular franchises have many games. Personally I don't really consider making sequels "milking", up to a certain point. When we get 13 sequels in a row, then maybe I'll consider it milking (Aannd guess which popular Japanese game I'm looking at when I say this).

I get the impression you just dislike Bungie and the Halo games and are looking for reasons to dislike them. As it turns out, the amount of merchandise released by a company affiliated with a games development company has no causal link to the quality of their games.

And now I go watch QI, see you in about half an hour.

 

[Nigh Invulnerable]

By that logic, every single games company in the world has failed, since there is someone, somewhere who doesn't like at least one of their games.

Thank you for missing the point completely -_-

They failed the person writing that comment.

I was questioning why that individual respected a failure of a company.

Just as a reviewer saying a game is bad does not mean the game is bad.

Learn to read and comprehend.

I understand your point, but I also think the person you're "correcting" has a valid point. A non-game example for me is Steve Vai. Technically speaking, the guy's an amazing guitar player, and he also seems to be a nice enough guy. However, his music is, to me, 99% boring and comes across as nothing more than bizarro technical exercises with no memorable melodies, riffs, or hooks. I still respect the talent and hard work he has put into being a weird alien guitar freak, but his music doesn't "do it" for me.

 

[Savagezion]

I think if they worked together they could make a pretty decent action RPG. However I don't see Blizzard working on this along side of D3, SC2, and WoW support. I mean that alone is alot of manpower and all are destined for major profit income. I have been waiting on D3 for what? 9 years now? Feels longer.
After expansions and support for those titles I don't know how many people they will have left for a seperate project. But it is posible based on Blizzard's track record.