Obama administration: "Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft"
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Well, that is the truth. I must confess that i once watched Zombieland online illegally. It was worth it, but i didn't allow myself to go on the internet for two weeks, because i was dissapointed in myself.
HOW many times will I have to EXPLAIN THIS?!AgentNein said:
PIRACY does not DEPRIVE the holder of his object. It COPIES IT. There's a fundamental difference between copying and stealing. Piracy is COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT, NOT THEFT! Let me repeat that for you. YOU ARE NOT, I REPEAT, YOU ARE NOT TAKING ANOTHER PERSONS PROPERTY, YOU ARE COPYING IT!
It's not theft, it's not even a form of theft, it's C O P Y R I G H T S - I N F R I N G E M E N T
Piracy is many things, including a form of sharing, but it is NOT THEFT.
Fine, let's go down this road again.SODAssault said:
Let's say my neighbor has an orchad and sells apples for a living. I buy an apple from him and use the seeds from that apple to grow my own orchad. I then start distributing apples for free. Is what I'm doing illegal?
NO YOU'RE NOT! What I an downloading from the internet isn't the game I bought at GameStop, I'm downloading a copy of that game.TheRightToArmBears said:
It's still taking something without permission. It's kinda half-theft. You get something that's someone else's unlawfully (that's theft right there), but they don't lose it (the not-so-theft bit).AndyFromMonday said:
Which most likely means that you are a libertarian. Trust me, though, Republicans are just as wrong on finance as the Democrats are. Democrats say tax a lot and give the money to the poor (or themselves). Republicans say don't tax anyone, but spend tons on war and various pro life, pro family, pro Christian, and anti immigration programs (or themselves). The reason there was a financial surplus under Clinton was due to the fact that he raised taxes and the economy boomed simultaneously. He just had a Republican congress that stonewalled him and he simply couldn't pass his expensive programs. Bush lost the deficit because he had a Republican congress who agreed with him on everything and passed a lot of his expensive legislation (and didn't / couldn't stop the war).Onyx Oblivion said:
So... if you want fiscal responsibility on a federal level, your only choice is to vote libertarian or simply vote for the party that is opposite of whoever is president. Sorry - end rant.
Here's the answer to piracy:
Have the government hire some people to create virus's in the shape of downloadable songs, albums, movies, and games. Have said people post their files on torrent and P2P sites. People who download everything they can get their hands on will obtain the viruses and lose everything on their computers. Fair punishment.
But the common people (like say, most of us) who just don't want to fork out 13 bucks for a cd just to get ONE DAMN SONG FROM IT (or 8.99 for a single that has one damn song on it, remixed 3 times with programs that it took someone all of 5 minutes to use), or people who want one song from a cd that a company DOESN'T SELL ANYMORE will probably be perfectly fine.
Have the government hire some people to create virus's in the shape of downloadable songs, albums, movies, and games. Have said people post their files on torrent and P2P sites. People who download everything they can get their hands on will obtain the viruses and lose everything on their computers. Fair punishment.
But the common people (like say, most of us) who just don't want to fork out 13 bucks for a cd just to get ONE DAMN SONG FROM IT (or 8.99 for a single that has one damn song on it, remixed 3 times with programs that it took someone all of 5 minutes to use), or people who want one song from a cd that a company DOESN'T SELL ANYMORE will probably be perfectly fine.
Hello all, long time lurker and first time poster. I decided to finally make an account because this topic is a lot like a recent convo I had with a friend regarding piracy and felt I had to contribute.
Isn't it exactly the same if you buy a game/movie used or even rent it? If you rent a game then you're "gaining an experience that is available for sale without compensating the author of said experience" are you not? You're compensating the game shop sure, but not a cent of that goes to the author, just goes straight into the game shop's pockets.StriderShinryu said:
Very much what he said.Deshin said:
Some people should stop having an idiotic knee-jerk reaction to shock words like "piracy" and "theft' and actually think about it in-depth. Because if they did, they'd understand the situation a lot better...
He should've got himself a REAL job then and done like everyone else and put money away that he actually EARNED. (que flaming contraversy).
Yes there is reason to give him money for having done such a thing. But not so much that he can make his retirement off it. Unless he's written thousands upon thousands of songs. At which point I somewhat doubt pirac has wrecked his idiot pension plan unless all he ever wrote were say...britney spears songs.
I had no respect for it to begin with.AndyFromMonday said:
Come to think of it, I don't have much respect for politics in general.
I'm totally in agreeal with the Obama Admin, but I think they're gonna do way more harm than good by signing off on ACTA. It'll ruin a lot of peoples lives because of it's retarded technicalities.
Piracy is flat, unadulterated theft? That's BULLSHIT! The only thing I pirate is porn, and I can assure you that in nothing I pirate the words "flat" can be used!
... Wait, what's this about music? Um... Oh. Never mind that, then.
(Somewhere out there, someone will take this comment seriously)
... Wait, what's this about music? Um... Oh. Never mind that, then.
(Somewhere out there, someone will take this comment seriously)
Sure, I agree with you completely (though one could/should certainly argue that at least with a rental/used copy you can probably count the number of people who get the experience based off of a single purchase, which is not the case with piracy assuming there even was an initial purchase). But that's not what we're talking about here. We're talking about piracy and how it equates to theft.Deshin said:
Well if a small group of friends (say 5 people argument's sake, I'll use this group again soon) all chip in and buy a single movie and the make "backups" of the movie so each person has a copy at home. Even though there was a single purchase it still doesn't make it any more right.StriderShinryu said:
Please permit me to give another example... say that same group of 5 above only one person decides to buy a movie (let's say, Titanic). He watches Titanic and enjoys it, all is good. Then he asks his friends to come round to his house to watch Titanic, now people are experiencing it without paying for it but that initial purcahse is still there so it's all good.
He asks his friends to come round again the following week to watch Titanic again, but one person can't make it because he has a cold, so his friends decide to put a laptop with a webcam on the couch so he can still watch Titanic with them from home, it's starting to get a little blury now but all is legal.
One of his friends calls him up because he really wants to watch Titanic again. The original purchaser is at work but tells him to just go in (he has a spare key) and watch it. This is totally ok and still lawful.
The friend with the cold calls up the original purchaser and says he wants to watch Titanic again. The original purchaser doesn't feel like watching the movie again but humors his friend and sets up the webcam and lets him watch it while he goes and does something else. All is still good.
The friend who lives miles across town and has missed the last bus calls up the original purchaser and asks to watch Titanic. The orginal purchaser at this point has had enough of having the movie showing so puts it up on his personal FTP and gives his friends all logins to watch it whenever they want from the comfort of their own homes, now THIS is illegal.
But in practicality and reality, what has changed whatsoever from previous examples to that last example that crosses the line from law abiding citizen to filthy pirate?