Obama may re-instate the ban on assault weapons.
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Nope, but after you get them and are approved, the ATF will know exactly where you live so they can keep tabs on you. In the US, it's simply a question of money, time and people willing to sell.carnkhan4 said:
I love hearing the argument about it being a defence against corrupt government.
You do realise it would take an epic amount of cooperation in order for that to happen in your society. The people in your army and police force are people like you, if you disagree with what the government's doing to such an extent that you wish to fight them, what makes you think your next door neighbour who is a member of the defence force is going to feel any different.
Just seems like typical American paranoia to me (not that all Americans are like that, but that's the part the world sees most).
You do realise it would take an epic amount of cooperation in order for that to happen in your society. The people in your army and police force are people like you, if you disagree with what the government's doing to such an extent that you wish to fight them, what makes you think your next door neighbour who is a member of the defence force is going to feel any different.
Just seems like typical American paranoia to me (not that all Americans are like that, but that's the part the world sees most).
So we should ban scary looking semi-automatic rifles chambered in rounds weaker then many hunting rifles? Logic doesn't follow.WillSimplyBe said:
There are many militias in the US today, But let's totally gloss over the fact that if there was ever a situation where the citizens revolted against the Federal Government, it would certainly be a state by state and unit by unit basis on what side they decide to take. Not everybody can stay huddled inside a AFV.fletch_talon said:
Here's the logic that does follow. The firing rate is a lot faster, so if you were on a murderous rampage you could do more damage with that than with a slower firing rifle with more powerful rounds...TornadoADV said:
I'm sorry, but there are many semi-automatic hunting rifles out there that are much more further reaching and harder hitting then AK-47 clones like the AKS and fire just as quickly being as they are also semi-automatic. For example, you have the Remington Model 750, BAR Longtrac, Benelli R1, the list goes on.carnkhan4 said:
Just because revolution would be potentially ineffectual, doesn't mean we shouldn't have that option. I would argue that oftentimes the general populace and the authorities can be in huge disagreement, specifically because of their divergent backgrounds. military personnel and police officers tend to be more pro-government as a matter of selection bias (hippies don't join the army). Organization is a non-issue since people can organize effectively, as we've seen with the formation of civil societies.fletch_talon said:
As an added note, this isn't just "American paranoia", it's a well-grounded logically and empirically justifiable position with a huge philosophical backing. If you look back at some of the enlightenment authors such as Locke who influenced the prevailing view of how society should function - liberal, free societies in which people are free to make decisions about their lives for themselves free of government coercion - there is a huge tendency to favor the right to revolt against unjust governments. It's no surprise that historically those governments that banned weapons for the common-folk had a strong tendency towards centralized power. While there are exceptions, it is perfectly justifiable to claim this tendency proves the need for a means to revolt against unjust government actions.
If you need an assault rifle to protect yourself, you probably have made some bad life choices. Seriously, what the hell kind of crazy enemies does someone need to have before having an assault rifle makes sense. Unless ninjas invade my home, I think I'm okay without one.
If you have a problems with ninjas I doubt an assault rifle will do the job...a sensei and a training montage seem a better approach...Bibliomancer said:
That's really funny that people keep mentioning Assault Rifles, because that's not what's being banned here. But rather cosmetically scary looking semi automatic rifles.Bibliomancer said:
Maybe a simple majority is in favor, but the 2nd amendment issue means that in order for the ban to be fully legitimate there needs to be a constitutional amendment. Do you think that 2/3 of the senate and house, as well as 3/4 of the states would favor an amendment getting rid of the 2nd Amendment (or at least limiting it severely)? I would admit that a simple majority f Americans would favor this, but not a 2/3-3/4 majority.Ionami said:
So you're suggesting we ban hunting rifles then? Does ANYBODY read the thread before posting these days?Rutawitz said:
1st of all there is not a definition of an "assault weapon". the last ban was on things that looked scarey. yeah for real.
2ndly an AR-15 is not an assault rifle, nor the OP's AK-47 remake. the definition of assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat with selective fire capabilities. a semi automatic only reproduction is never going to be nor ever was an assault rifle.
most ppl on here haven't a clue about this issue, as seen by thier clueless posts.
this issue is dead BTW, the 1994 federal assault weapons ban was political suicide and led to the 1996 sweep by the republicans, the democrats are not that stupid. the white house is already changing its mind, there are no democrats in congress willing to support it. the only boom in this econmy recently has been firearms, and they are here to stay.
"...from my cold dead hands..."
2ndly an AR-15 is not an assault rifle, nor the OP's AK-47 remake. the definition of assault rifle is a rifle designed for combat with selective fire capabilities. a semi automatic only reproduction is never going to be nor ever was an assault rifle.
most ppl on here haven't a clue about this issue, as seen by thier clueless posts.
this issue is dead BTW, the 1994 federal assault weapons ban was political suicide and led to the 1996 sweep by the republicans, the democrats are not that stupid. the white house is already changing its mind, there are no democrats in congress willing to support it. the only boom in this econmy recently has been firearms, and they are here to stay.
"...from my cold dead hands..."