Obama may re-instate the ban on assault weapons.

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KaZZaP

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Agayek said:
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What about heroin, or nukes, or a vial of anthrax?
The government should not regulate who can own any of those.

They should of course regulate and punish harmful actions taken with such items
Yes they should wait until they do harm with the nuclear weapons before they can be punished, genius.
 

Agayek

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KaZZaP said:
Yes they should wait until they do harm with the nuclear weapons before they can be punished, genius.
Yes. That's exactly it. Just because you own something that can potentially be dangerous, does not mean you will use it for nefarious purposes.

The government has no right to outlaw ownership of anything. Period. Limiting ownership is almost as bad as limiting speech. And I've said enough on where that leads throughout this thread, go look through the last 3-4 pages if you want details.

On a side note, you are aware how much a nuke costs right? It's not exactly something you can put together in a basement.
 

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KaZZaP said:
Agayek said:
KaZZaP said:
What about heroin, or nukes, or a vial of anthrax?
The government should not regulate who can own any of those.

They should of course regulate and punish harmful actions taken with such items
Yes they should wait until they do harm with the nuclear weapons before they can be punished, genius.
Who's going to sell you a nuclear weapon?
 

Agayek

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yeah. i eat meat for consumption. i dont kill deer and then not eat them. thanks bye
So do the vast majority of hunters, or at least the one's I've talked to. Granted, that only numbers about a dozen out of however many thousands, but I'm fairly positive it's a normal practice. They hunt, bring back what they kill, and do whatever it is they need to do to prep the meat for eating or storage.
 

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TornadoADV said:
Who's going to sell you a nuclear weapon?
Agayek said:
KaZZaP said:
Yes they should wait until they do harm with the nuclear weapons before they can be punished, genius.
Yes. That's exactly it. Just because you own something that can potentially be dangerous, does not mean you will use it for nefarious purposes.

The government has no right to outlaw ownership of anything. Period. Limiting ownership is almost as bad as limiting speech. And I've said enough on where that leads throughout this thread, go look through the last 3-4 pages if you want details.

On a side note, you are aware how much a nuke costs right? It's not exactly something you can put together in a basement.
Okay instead of nukes what if someone had a pipe bomb lab in their basement. Easy to make and I'm sure enough of them in a strategic place could be devastating.
 

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KaZZaP said:
Okay instead of nukes what if someone had a pipe bomb lab in their basement. Easy to make and I'm sure enough of them in a strategic place could be devastating.
Yes. You should still be able to own them. Ownership does not mean you have to use it maliciously, or use it at all.

Related to that, if it's so easy to make in a basement, especially since they can be made out of fairly common items, banning the sale of "pipe bombs" will do nothing. If someone really wanted to blow up a building, they'd build it in their basement as you suggest and proceed from there.
 

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Agayek said:
KaZZaP said:
Okay instead of nukes what if someone had a pipe bomb lab in their basement. Easy to make and I'm sure enough of them in a strategic place could be devastating.
Yes. You should still be able to own them. Ownership does not mean you have to use it maliciously, or use it at all.

Related to that, if it's so easy to make in a basement, especially since they can be made out of fairly common items, banning the sale of "pipe bombs" will do nothing. If someone really wanted to blow up a building, they'd build it in their basement as you suggest and proceed from there.
So you're saying if you we're a cop or some kind of super bad ass judge cop who makes the rules and enforces them and you find a guy making enough explosives to take out a building you would just let him go about his business? What about if he started setting them up, hey taping something to the foundation of a building isn't illegal.

Or what if someone had 200 pounds of crystal meth, of course they're going to sell it but should you have to wait until you catch them in the act? I would not want to live in a world without laws on what you can own. Next thing you know P Diddy would be rolling down the road in a tank.
 

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KaZZaP said:
So you're saying if you we're a cop or some kind of super bad ass judge cop who makes the rules and enforces them and you find a guy making enough explosives to take out a building you would just let him go about his business? What about if he started setting them up, hey taping something to the foundation of a building isn't illegal.

Or what if someone had 200 pounds of crystal meth, of course they're going to sell it but should you have to wait until you catch them in the act? I would not want to live in a world without laws on what you can own. Next thing you know P Diddy would be rolling down the road in a tank.
1) If I was in that position of authority, I would use my best judgment and the situation to decide. If he was walking down the street with a pipebomb hanging out of his pocket, no I would not stop him. If he was taping one to the foundation of a building, I would beat him to within an inch of his life.

2) I, personally, see nothing wrong with any narcotic. If people want to ruin their lives over temporary highs, I could not care less. Matter of fact, I would like to encourage those people to take drugs. Then maybe they'll die faster and the human gene pool won't have to worry about idiots like that. All narcotics should be perfectly legal in my opinion. If people are aware of the consequences of using them, as the vast majority of the United States are (in my experience at least), then they are free to choose whatever they like. If they harm anyone else while intoxicated though, then they will be punished to the fullest extent possible, preferably starting with a beating and culminating in decapitation.
 

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Agayek said:
1) If I was in that position of authority, I would use my best judgment and the situation to decide. If he was walking down the street with a pipebomb hanging out of his pocket, no I would not stop him. If he was taping one to the foundation of a building, I would beat him to within an inch of his life.

2) I, personally, see nothing wrong with any narcotic. If people want to ruin their lives over temporary highs, I could not care less. Matter of fact, I would like to encourage those people to take drugs. Then maybe they'll die faster and the human gene pool won't have to worry about idiots like that. All narcotics should be perfectly legal in my opinion. If people are aware of the consequences of using them, as the vast majority of the United States are (in my experience at least), then they are free to choose whatever they like. If they harm anyone else while intoxicated though, then they will be punished to the fullest extent possible, preferably starting with a beating and culminating in decapitation.

1) Well too bad authorities don't always catch the guy in the act, 5000 people are dead and you could of prevented it but you didn't see anything wrong with that guy with a bomb hanging out of his pocket.


2) I sort of agree with you (seeing as I have to as I smoke/buy a ton of weed) but the damage that could be done/prevented is huge. That guy makes a ridiculous amount of money goes out and buys a SUV that has a mini-gun pop up threw the roof and goes and makes his rivals pay killing 50 rival gang members most of which we're probably just lost, confused, intimidated youths and 10 innocents caught in the cross fire.
 

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KaZZaP said:
1) Well too bad authorities don't always catch the guy in the act, 5000 people are dead and you could of prevented it but you didn't see anything wrong with that guy with a bomb hanging out of his pocket.
That risk is a price I'm willing to pay for my freedom. We just have different values, probably will never agree on this.

KaZZaP said:
2) I sort of agree with you (seeing as I have to as I smoke/buy a ton of weed) but the damage that could be done/prevented is huge. That guy makes a ridiculous amount of money goes out and buys a SUV that has a mini-gun pop up threw the roof and goes and makes his rivals pay killing 50 rival gang members most of which we're probably just lost, confused, intimidated youths and 10 innocents caught in the cross fire.
That's when you find the guy and rip him in half.

And on a side note, there's no such thing as innocent gang members. The fact that they joined a gang means they support it.
 

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Agayek said:
That risk is a price I'm willing to pay for my freedom. We just have different values, probably will never agree on this.
Yes I want my freedom to live and you want the psychopaths to have freedom to makes bombs.
 

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KaZZaP said:
Yes I want my freedom to live and you want the psychopaths to have freedom to makes bombs.
I want the freedom to do whatever I want, provided I do not harm another. No more, and no less.
 

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If they harm anyone else while intoxicated though, then they will be punished to the fullest extent possible, preferably starting with a beating and culminating in decapitation.
While I too like the idea of idiots weeding themselves out, the whole "wait until they harm someone else" way of doing things isn't a very clever one.

EDIT: Damn it, shouldn't post on forums when tired, messing up the quotes >.<
 

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keep your assault rifle calibers..I'll defend my house with a 30-06 springfield.
One of the original fight stoppers.

If a WW2 rifle is good enough for Clint Eastwood,then it's good enough for me. ;)

I don't feel assault rifles should be banned.
If assault rifles are to be banned because they kill people,then cars should be banned next.


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Case in point
North Hollywood shootout..Cops had to go to a gun store to "borrow" assault rifles because the bad guys were wearing body armor.
Of course the guys that held up the place were using illegal modified weapons and had obtained AP rounds.
 

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Don't ban assault weapons. At least not yet. I want to be absolutely sure that the Swine Flu isn't gonna turn anyone into a zombie before I make any decisions regarding this.
 

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KaZZaP said:
Agayek said:
I'm standing up and saying the government does not have the right to decide what a person is allowed to own. Replace gun with any other item in the known universe, and my stance will be exactly the same.
What about heroin, or nukes, or a vial of anthrax?
What about slavery?
 

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I had to register to this site just to say this.

Why am I, a legal United States Citizen who has no criminal history in any of the 50 states or territories, nor a criminal history with the United States government, potentially going to be punished.

If I wish to purchase a semi-automatic rifle because I want to for any reason, I have the legal and inalienable right to do so. If I happen to use that rifle illegally, then I should be punished to the full extent of the law. Any damage I happen to do to life or property is the cost of freedom.


I would like to put this argument another way. PC's exist in the vast majority of American homes. While firearms are not as prevalent, millions of people do own them in America. Some people own several PC's for themselves. This also true of firearms. Almost every one of them is used to commit no crime, but a small faction of people use them to steal identity, publish child pornography, commit fraud, stalk, and a host of other felonies. Likewise, almost every firearm is used to commit no crime, but a tiny fraction of people use them to commit assault, murder, rape, robbery, grand theft auto, and other felonies. Should a person be limited in the choice of computer they can own because it MIGHT be used to commit a crime, might have hardware or software that COULD make it more adept at being used for a crime, or should your computer activity be monitored by authority just because you MIGHT commit a crime with it?
Again, should a person be limited in their choice of firearm because it MIGHT be used to commit a crime, might have attachments that COULD make it more adept at being used for a crime, or should their possessions be inventoried and registered just because they MIGHT be used to commit a crime?

If you answered yes, then I pray you are never risen to a position of power, because you are against the very principles of the United State of America.
Well said. Good first post!