Ocean Marketing's Founder Claims He's Sorry

[Kingsnake661]

After this has played out... bad PR guy is now trolled hard by the masses.

Proof that the nerds/geeks can now be the tough bullies beating people into tears.

Congrats internet, you are now that which you hated as kids. Do you all feel proud of this?

I'm of two minds on this.

1. If you start the fight, don't come crying to me if you get your tail kicked. You shouldn't have started it. This is, after all, YOUR fault. (not you, obviousely, you know what i mean..)

On the other hand...

2. There's no need to kick a man when he's down. It's OVER for this guy. His rep is shot, he'll be an internet meme till the day he dies, and, well, what more do you want? Blood? That's crossing a line IMO.

So, yeah, on the one hand, i'm totally ok with the backlash he got, he had it coming, but, eh, lets stop there shall we. Leave his family alone. The kid can't pick is parents, and the wife, well, she has to live with him so, she's suffering enough... >.> And, before you accuse the man of abuse, be sure. He may have a strangish last name, but it doubt he's the only one, and a vauge please report with just a last name on it isn't proof to level such a damning charge. If it's true, the man need arrested. (Or worse) If it's not, then don't smear him with at. There's already plenty of material around to use without making stuff up or spreading alie.

 

[Kingsnake661]

DBL post... not sure why. Sorry. Feel free to delete...

 

[Kingsnake661]

OK, on one hand: Going after the man's wife and young son is definitely wrong. The fact that people are harassing his wife on Facebook and leaving voice messages containing death threats directed at both her and his two-month-old child is disgusting.

Ah yes, internet justice at its finest.

That's the problem with mobs. They're not very precise, or picky. If this wasn't the internet, and the keyboard warriors concerned weren't massive pussies, they'd be smashing his windows and throwing shit through his letterbox.

That's my entire objection to this whole sorry story. This guy is an asshole, no question, but the mob is never right, and it's frankly scary to see how quickly so many people can start hating a complete stranger.

Good going, Internet.

Excuse me for asking, but where is this proof that his wife and child have been getting threats? I for one won't believe a goddamned thing this guys says that isn't verifiable.

There may or may not be proof, but lets be realistic, it sounds like something that happens when angry mobs form. It's not a strech to belive, and, either way, just reminding the public to leave the family alone is just good since. I tend to agree i wouldn't take this guy at his word, but, honestly, from everthing i've read and the way human nature works, it's about the only think he's said i would belive.

 

[matrix3509]

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Nice way of dismissing any aspect of this that doesn't fit into your worldview.

Hubuhwha? You don't start believing a pathological liar "because if we are extra super funtime nice he might start telling the truth?"

Even if he isn't a pathological liar, then he's is just a regular old boring liar. And what do liars do? Can anyone in the class tell me? Yes, gold star to you! They lie.

 

[Jdb]

OK, on one hand: Going after the man's wife and young son is definitely wrong. The fact that people are harassing his wife on Facebook and leaving voice messages containing death threats directed at both her and his two-month-old child is disgusting.

Ah yes, internet justice at its finest.

That's the problem with mobs. They're not very precise, or picky. If this wasn't the internet, and the keyboard warriors concerned weren't massive pussies, they'd be smashing his windows and throwing shit through his letterbox.

That's my entire objection to this whole sorry story. This guy is an asshole, no question, but the mob is never right, and it's frankly scary to see how quickly so many people can start hating a complete stranger.

Good going, Internet.

Excuse me for asking, but where is this proof that his wife and child have been getting threats? I for one won't believe a goddamned thing this guys says that isn't verifiable.

There may or may not be proof, but lets be realistic, it sounds like something that happens when angry mobs form. It's not a strech to belive, and, either way, just reminding the public to leave the family alone is just good since. I tend to agree i wouldn't take this guy at his word, but, honestly, from everthing i've read and the way human nature works, it's about the only think he's said i would belive.

Also, this is the same Internet with a past of bullying children to suicidal tendencies. I don't believe threatening a wife and child is beneath it.

 

[Kargathia]

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Nice way of dismissing any aspect of this that doesn't fit into your worldview.

Hubuhwha? You don't start believing a pathological liar "because if we are extra super funtime nice he might start telling the truth?"

Even if he isn't a pathological liar, then he's is just a regular old boring liar. And what do liars do? Can anyone in the class tell me? Yes, gold star to you! They lie.

Even when dealing with known pathological liars (which for the record he is not) there is a definite line between not believing a word he says, and considering him guilty until proven otherwise.

If the man says his family is threatened then the correct response is not "pssht, yea, whatever", it is "well, he says so, but let's wait until there's some proof either way before believing anything".

That said: he is indeed kind of a dick, who deserves the personal ridicule. Bringing his family into this, however, would be pushing it too far.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

This made me laugh as well.

I find it all too easy to believe that some of the internet tough guys who've been jumping onto this bandwagon would be doing this.

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Nice way of dismissing any aspect of this that doesn't fit into your worldview.

Physician, heal thyself.

 

[Stevepinto3]

I still can't get over that one line in the first response to Mike. "He?s a native Bostonian from Little Italy . Who are you again ?"

Belittling the status of someone on Time's 100 most influential people because you have some connections in Boston. I nearly crapped my pants laughing.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

...and my 'camp'? What does that even mean?

The camp that has been harvesting page/post views off the back of Gabe, calling for mob rule against him?

I know at least one low level poster who has been harvesting multiple sites with comments of how "She told all of us but we wouldn't listen."

Especially given the other camp is

petty, spiteful, childish harrassment and bullying.

Or are you joining them?

There is no difference between rioting and revolution, apart from a successful outcome.

Time and again during the 'discussions' on this story I find people stating that I must be on this guy's side because I'm not cheering on the mob. It doesn't work like that.

Time and again, there's people criticizing the side-effects of the mob (called on by Paul), while being "shocked" that a man could lie to customers, steal their money, defraud Visa, attack his wife while working for a store that sold controllers for disabled people- without "someone" stopping him.

Someone did.

Would you have preferred him to continue his illegal activities? Like he says he's going to do anyway?

 

[cookyy2k]

Excuse me for asking, but where is this proof that his wife and child have been getting threats?

Where is the proof that they haven't?

I find it all too easy to believe that some of the internet tough guys who've been jumping onto this bandwagon would be doing this.

I for one won't believe a goddamned thing this guys says that isn't verifiable.

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Nice way of dismissing any aspect of this that doesn't fit into your worldview.

You seem to be...Nothing good comes of mob rule...

And your use of "epic nerdrage" points out your camp quite firmly, thank you.

You're confusing revolution with rioting. No, not even rioting - petty, spiteful, childish harrassment and bullying.

...and my 'camp'? What does that even mean? If you're not for us, you're against us? Time and again during the 'discussions' on this story I find people stating that I must be on this guy's side because I'm not cheering on the mob. It doesn't work like that.

Guilty until proven innocent is exactly what you're asking for when you ask for proof people haven't been harassing/threatening his wife/child. He made the accusation it's on him to prove it.

 

[Sixcess]

...and my 'camp'? What does that even mean?

The camp that has been harvesting page/post views off the back of Gabe, calling for mob rule against him?

I know at least one low level poster who has been harvesting multiple sites with comments of how "She told all of us but we wouldn't listen."

I hate to break it to you, Root, but I honestly don't give enough of a shit about this entire debacle to be discussing, or even reading about it, anywhere other than here. This has been an interesting discussion for me, not a crusade. The internet has enough crusaders already. Far too many in fact.

However I'm starting to get bored with the discussion, because it's rapidly degenerating to a pointless slanging match, and the forum rules are too tight for me to be able to have any fun with that.

There is no difference between rioting and revolution, apart from a successful outcome.

So you're equating overthrowing oppressive regimes with smashing up property and looting shops, or in this case making hate posts/emails/whatever to some nobody? Ridiculous.

Bottom line. I'm done with this topic. I've said my piece and nothing that's been said in response has shifted my viewpoint one iota. I will not reply to further posts so don't waste your time.

Guilty until proven innocent, eh? Nice way of dismissing any aspect of this that doesn't fit into your worldview.

Hubuhwha? You don't start believing a pathological liar "because if we are extra super funtime nice he might start telling the truth?"

Even if he isn't a pathological liar, then he's is just a regular old boring liar. And what do liars do? Can anyone in the class tell me? Yes, gold star to you! They lie.

Come back when you learn to debate like an adult.

 

[Tehlanna TPX]

Looking at his response to his infamy, and the profile of the guy, I'm almost sympathetic to his plight, though I hope his days as a PR guy are over. He's a young, over-enthusiastic idiot who got himself in way over his head because E-mail is terrible for communication. Tip - If you're in customer service, stay AWAY from websites like "Not Always Right".

However, I do believe he needs to look for a new career field.

Curious... why should those in customer service stay away from that site? I work in CS and on bad... bad days that site is very cathartic. And a reminder that I'm not the only one dealing with mouth breathers.

Maybe not everyone in customer service, but those who are inclined to prematurely emulate the petty and abusive responses to unreasonable customers are better off not reading numerous examples of ways to respond when customer service has broken down.

"Excuse me Mike, but who exactly are you?" then googling the response might have saved him from about half of the fallout from his unprofessionalism. Instead he immediately went to full-on bully mode and lost big time.

I agree the person in question's response was laughably immature and out of line, but I still don't see how that has anything to do with the site. I don't even believe I've read a post (granted, I go long stretches without reading in order to read in large bursts) where an employee shat upon a customer. In fact, the utter derp that spews from most customers mouths is handled with tact and professionalism, if occasionally with bafflement. I don't see how any of that could be used to turn back around and shit all over a customer. Grasping at straws, I think, is the case here. Stipulating that a website that doesn't promote bad behavior is going to encourage it is rather ludicrous. Let's not scapegoat something out, when it comes to blatant bad behavior.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

and nothing that's been said in response has shifted my viewpoint one iota.

Would anything have done that anyway?

 

[IcyTicey]

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/i-G4Zgvkg/0/L/i-G4Zgvkg-XL.jpg

You can't scream "RELEASE THE KRAKEN" and then ask nicely to put it back

Those things never fit back into their original packaging

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I find myself torn. On one hand, harassing his family? Uncool, guys. Trashing on him, fine, that's what the internet does. On the other, well, it has spawned amazing sources of humor. A new meme, a hilarious video, a picture of Gabe the Grinch with a look on his face I hope never to see in my dreams, and great link material for every site that cares about such things. It's like chewing on a baby's face. You know it's wrong, but it's just so delicious.[/sarcasm]

 

[ms_sunlight]

(As for the domestic abuse charge, perhaps we should endeavor to maintain the same "innocent until proven guilty" ideal that powers our justice system.)

Given that the charge was in 2008, if it was going anywhere it would have had some sort of hearing by now. The man has not been tried, and hence has no convictions, hence he is legally innocent.

Bear in mind that complaints can be made for all sorts of reasons. I'm not saying that he's not an abuser; I'm also not a domestic abuse apologist, I am a feminist and feel very strongly that abusers should be dealt with. I am however saying that this single piece of information tells you absolutely nothing either way.

 

[PunkRex]

It's a little late to complain about bulls being lose in the field when you're the idiot waving a red flag at them.

Indeed, "Only i'm allowed to be a prick you pricks!", bloody fool.

 

[PunkRex]

I find myself torn. On one hand, harassing his family? Uncool, guys. Trashing on him, fine, that's what the internet does. On the other, well, it has spawned amazing sources of humor. A new meme, a hilarious video, a picture of Gabe the Grinch with a look on his face I hope never to see in my dreams, and great link material for every site that cares about such things. It's like chewing on a baby's face. You know it's wrong, but it's just so delicious.[/sarcasm]

Stop making me laugh at baby eating!!!

 

[cookyy2k]

(As for the domestic abuse charge, perhaps we should endeavor to maintain the same "innocent until proven guilty" ideal that powers our justice system.)

Given that the charge was in 2008, if it was going anywhere it would have had some sort of hearing by now. The man has not been tried, and hence has no convictions, hence he is legally innocent.

Bear in mind that complaints can be made for all sorts of reasons. I'm not saying that he's not an abuser; I'm also not a domestic abuse apologist, I am a feminist and feel very strongly that abusers should be dealt with. I am however saying that this single piece of information tells you absolutely nothing either way.

You guys can go to the county clerk in San Diego county and get the record ? it was dismissed without prejudice.

Quoted from the man himself, source at bottom.

a criminal proceeding which ends prematurely due to error, mistake, or misconduct, may end as being dismissed with prejudice or without prejudice. If the case ends without prejudice, the accused in the case (the defendant) may be retried.If the case ends with prejudice, the effect on the defendant (for the purpose of punishment) is the equivalent to a finding of not guilty and they cannot be retried.

So as far as I can tell he has neither been found guilty or acquitted of the charges.

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