Ocean Marketing's Founder Claims He's Sorry

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ThunderCavalier

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vansau said:
You can read through the whole story over at Kotaku. Here are a couple of jaw-dropping highlights, though: Christoforo was "just joking around" when he claimed to know people like Cliff Bleszinski and the mayor of Boston; he also accuses Mike Krahulik of being "unprofessional" in his emails (while saying nothing about his own incredibly disrespectful tone and determination to poop all over the English language).
And now I luv this article about a thousand times more than I normally would have.

As well as the tags. 'Scumbag'. How fitting.



In all seriousness, there's no recovering from this. The guy needs to change his name, probably change his profession, and hope to God that he never attracts the ire of the Internet ever again.
 

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Wait... he has procreated, and yet I still can't get a date. Perhaps I've been mistaken all this time, being polite and helpful and depressed 80% of the time isn't the way. I'm going to be a famous scumbag!
 

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The internet hate machine is like a nuclear bomb. There is no regard for innocence, only proximity.

Attention wife, if you want to save your child publicly divorce this jerkface asap. Then move away and possibly change your name. Considering the kind of person this guy is its probably a much better outcome for the kid in the long run.
 

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Jack and Calumon said:
This man is a bastard. He beats his wife....
I keep hearing that, don't suppose there is a source?
I saw a police report on the other thread, let me see if I can dig it up.

EDIT: Here [http://courtindex.sdcourt.ca.gov/CISPublic/casedetail?casenum=DVN14325&casesite=NC&applcode=D] you go. Keep in mind, it could be another guy with the same name.
Paul Christoforo (@ OceanDeepSea) lives in San Diego and has a wife named Catherine. It's the same guy.
 

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Ugh another thread on this... I'll update here with my thoughts from the other thread. (Again.)

1. This Christoforo is an idiot, who liked to pretend he was powerful, was given a tiny bit of power and it went to his head. He is no real criminal and does not deserve half the crap going his way, to believe otherwise is to greatly exaggerate the situation in a way to justify whatever beliefs you hold.

2. The mob mentality is getting way out of control. (watch the derren brown episode if you get a chance, it's really really good). The post on penny arcade was enough to ruin his career. Exposing past convictions, or personal issues is purely vindictive and his use of piracy and copyright theft are matters of corporate law, not internet hate campaigns

3. this nerd rage is fueled by the idea that having been bullied they cannot be the bully This is also evident in Gabe's response to the apology. As much as dealing with bullies is important, wishing to see them suffer is not the correct reaction, all it does is change who is the bully and who is being bullied.

4. Vigilante justice is not smart and often acts without full knowledge of the situation. Look at the Amazon bombs. As much as people think they are being clever and productive, no one here knows the full story. The place where a full story would be examined is in a court, where all legal disputes should be settled.

5. Put aside your feelings towards this man and look at how vindictive the behaviour of everyone trying to destroy him is. It shows badly on our community, it shows badly on humanity itself.
Yes, it is nice that as a community we look after our own, but this is not what is going on here. This is a systemic and deliberate destruction of this man's life.
Know that should you bring him to the point where he ends his life, you, and everyone egging the mob on shall be responsible. (Go and watch the Derren Brown episode. Now.)

I hope that just a few people read this and have a serious think about what is going on here.
I hope they put aside the idea that because this man is "bad" doing anything "bad" to him is right. That may be how morality works in games, but it's not how morality works in real life.

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The dangers of mob mentality are well documenter and can be incredibly dangerous even when going against people worth forming a mob to attack

How to create the mob mentality? Lets look here. Apply the first paragraph to what Gabe's actions were - he consolidated flammable material, provided oxygen to burn and lit a spark - knowing full well what the consequences would be.

Or maybe you think this is justified because of some form of vigilantism? (if you have argued along the lines of "if we don't do this he wouldn't be stopped, then you are arguing for this) yet this is disproved thoroughly here

Maybe you think internet abuse isn't really that bad? Well it's punishable by law here (for dark reasons - internet defamation led to a young girls suicide)Or punishable universally in the US here. (yes not strictly speaking in the direct vein but people are making outright character assumptions without full knowledge of situation - with the "roid rage comments" and anything related to the closed court case of the domestic violence charge)

Please people - I've gone to the trouble of laying out quite a lot of informative research, do at least look at it before replying to it. There is no adequate defence for this sort of action - it is this sort of righteous knee jerk reactionary crowd mindset that we must be wary of. To see a body of people coming together to applaud a mans suffering for what is, on the grand scale of things, very petty crimes scares me.
(His company behaviour is what has got him in hot water - the domestic violence and drug use charges are fairly unsubstantiated, and if the first one is in fact the man in question, then it has already been decided in the court, who are much better placed to mete out appropriate punishment)
Neither the ends nor means here are justified.
 

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matrix3509 said:
Sixcess said:
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OK, on one hand: Going after the man's wife and young son is definitely wrong. The fact that people are harassing his wife on Facebook and leaving voice messages containing death threats directed at both her and his two-month-old child is disgusting.
Ah yes, internet justice at its finest.

That's the problem with mobs. They're not very precise, or picky. If this wasn't the internet, and the keyboard warriors concerned weren't massive pussies, they'd be smashing his windows and throwing shit through his letterbox.

That's my entire objection to this whole sorry story. This guy is an asshole, no question, but the mob is never right, and it's frankly scary to see how quickly so many people can start hating a complete stranger.

Good going, Internet.
Excuse me for asking, but where is this proof that his wife and child have been getting threats? I for one won't believe a goddamned thing this guys says that isn't verifiable.
In case no one replied to you..

http://courtindex.sdcourt.ca.gov/CISPublic/casedetail?casenum=DVN14325&casesite=NC&applcode=D

The name is the same at least...
 

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Sixcess said:
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If this wasn't the internet, and the keyboard warriors concerned weren't massive pussies, they'd be smashing his windows and throwing shit through his letterbox.
Or Egypt, Libya and Syria who did that to get rid of a corrupt dictator.
You didn't seriously just compare those popular uprisings against oppressive governments in which people were were arrested, tortured and killed to this bout of epic nerdrage, did you?
In all fairness, the guy DID compare himself to the president of the United States...

<url=http://kotaku.com/5871656/chastened-gaming-rep-paul-christoforo-responds-to-internet-infamy> "I'm not depressed at people making fun of me,[...]It's like a parody of Barack Obama. It's making me more popular. I'm not doing anything to stop it, and it is kind of funny. ... It's not the end of the world, and it'll be old news soon, but it's hot news now, and I do see the lighter side of it."
 

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Given that the charge was in 2008, if it was going anywhere it would have had some sort of hearing by now. The man has not been tried, and hence has no convictions, hence he is legally innocent.

Bear in mind that complaints can be made for all sorts of reasons. I'm not saying that he's not an abuser; I'm also not a domestic abuse apologist, I am a feminist and feel very strongly that abusers should be dealt with. I am however saying that this single piece of information tells you absolutely nothing either way.
Absolutely. He's being found guilty because we want him to be guilty. With sympathize with the customer ("victim") more than the business, so any small bit of information will feed our confirmation bias.

This was originally just a heated dispute between two people. One, a somewhat-entitled customer who decided to get short with the marketing guy -- not production, not shipping, marketing -- because shipping was late. The other, a bit of a hothead who's not good with people, put in a customer service position he didn't want. And it got ugly.

The difference is that Dave, like the 80's movie bully, went back and got a bunch of his friends to make sure it wasn't a fair fight. And hey, we're just getting out of the financially-tense Christmas season, so everyone's looking for a safe place to rage... well, guess we found it.


cookyy2k said:
So as far as I can tell he has neither been found guilty or acquitted of the charges.

source [http://www.gameranx.com/features/id/4238/article/oceanstratagy-paul-christoforo-himself-speaks/]
Sounds to me like there were no charges filed. It was given a case number and category. It's not an arrest record, it's not a sheet of charges filed. While unfortunate, this kind of thing happens all the time between two (usually unmarried) people living together -- they get in a fight, and one of them gets the police involved in order to "win."

Domestic battery happens, and it's awful. Just like lots of other crimes. But one piece of paper is not a conviction. The guy is clearly a jerk, clearly a bad businessman, and clearly not good with people. Let's confine our attacks to what's based on the evidence.
 

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Oh the drama, the delicious drama!

I'm done following this now. His career is over and no amount of sorry will save it.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
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and nothing that's been said in response has shifted my viewpoint one iota.
Would anything have done that anyway?
Probably not.

Forums aren't really a place where things get discussed - certainly not things like this. They're a place where people shout their opinions at each other until one side gets bored or gets banned. There are exceptions, but not many.

Here's my very first comment on this story, in full.

Sixcess said:
I find this really quite disheartening. None of the internet lynch mob who are baying for this guy's blood and flooding Amazon and Facebook today had even heard of him yesterday and I really doubt there's a lot of thought behind their response. He's just today's target.*

[sub]*I'm not saying he's blame-free or anything. He's not, but what a lot of misdirected energy is being wasted on this.[/sub]

It's a Two Minute Hate.
I stand by every word of that.

I will add that he's making himself a very very good target, but this is still just internet mob rage, and I don't trust mobs, nor will I be a part of one.
 
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I don't trust mobs, nor will I be a part of one.
You are part of one though. Your very posting makes you part of one. That's what the collective is. Your words will influence some people to think one way or the other. That's how the internet works. Gabe's voice is a lot louder.

Whether or not mobs are right or wrong, they are called because the normal channels have failed. Yes, there will be collateral damage, but given how wrong he has been, how he is still riling the mob, and how little actual damage they have done to him; (With the official evidence available you have to wonder why he wasn't jailed before this) there's already calls for "this sort of thing" to be stopped.

And "this sort of thing" has brought out the picture of a malicious, unrepentant serial con-man who wouldn't have been caught otherwise.

"This sort of thing" was the same mob that created Operation Cleanup after the London Riots.

The list of charges he has to answer to should see him in jail for thirty years or so. The mob didn't "ruin his life". He did.

Mobs are not the best way to deal with things by far, but if the usual channels fail, then you can't be surprised when the pitchforks are raised.

The "Two Minute Hate" was simply words screamed at a screen. This has been action, which has gone on for a lot more than two minutes.

Maybe he is just the scapegoat for a lot of nerd fears. That doesn't mean that a) They were wrong to bring him to the attention of the world or b) That it's only nerds that do this.

Look out at all the websites calling for Penny Arcade/Childsplay boycotts over this. Are they any different?
 

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Great post, Root. Perhaps the best I've read from 'the other side.'

[sub]Selectively quoted for space. I hate to quote long posts in full.[/sub]

If I look at it that way and cut out all the background noise and rage I can feel a little easier about this thing. As I've said, I have never held any sympathy for Christoforo himself, just unease that this kind of trial by internet can happen so quickly and with so much attendant fury.

You've alluded in the past to the News of the World, so you're probably familiar with their infamous campaigns against sex offenders, and the consequent cases of mistaken identity and attacks on innocent people. I think that's what really fuelled my distrust of mobs - you never know when they might show up at your door next.

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Look out at all the websites calling for Penny Arcade/Childsplay boycotts over this.
I haven't seen anything about that, though as I said I've only been following this story here on the Escapist. I have found Mike/Gabe's comments on it all rather disquieting in that he's come across as genuinely vindictive, when it must have been clear from early on that this guy posed no real threat to him or to PA. I think he might have been better off just handing the details to his lawyers and let them deal with it.

Are they any different?
No, it's just more internet rage. Seems like we (generic 'we') spend an awful lot of time looking for things to be outraged about. I won't be picking up my pitchfork for that lot either.
 

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I find myself torn. On one hand, harassing his family? Uncool, guys. Trashing on him, fine, that's what the internet does. On the other, well, it has spawned amazing sources of humor. A new meme, a hilarious video, a picture of Gabe the Grinch with a look on his face I hope never to see in my dreams, and great link material for every site that cares about such things. It's like chewing on a baby's face. You know it's wrong, but it's just so delicious.[/sarcasm]
Stop making me laugh at baby eating!!!
Never!

I just realized, one could tag that imitation code for sarcasm two ways. That eating a baby's face was sarcastic, or the idea of said baby's face being delicious could be said sarcastically, as if it tasted of some kind of combination of flavorless and unappetizing.

Which is what barbeque sauce is for, of course.
 
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Sixcess said:
Great post, Root. Perhaps the best I've read from 'the other side.'
Cheers. I've been following this from the start, so I've tried to keep in touch.

You've alluded in the past to the News of the World, so you're probably familiar with their infamous campaigns against sex offenders, and the consequent cases of mistaken identity and attacks on innocent people. I think that's what really fuelled my distrust of mobs - you never know when they might show up at your door next.
Very much so, but in those cases it's often been misinformation that's fuelled the mob (The one that comes to mind is their attacks on paedatricians because they thought they were paedophiles)

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Look out at all the websites calling for Penny Arcade/Childsplay boycotts over this.
I haven't seen anything about that
There's been quite a few, often quoting the "Dickwolves" saga. And there has been one of ours making a post on how "She was disgusted".


Are they any different?
No, it's just more internet rage. Seems like we (generic 'we') spend an awful lot of time looking for things to be outraged about. I won't be picking up my pitchfork for that lot either.[/quote]
Good. I don't believe I've bandied about a pitchfork either - in fact I've seen what I can do under damage control. But Christofo is a dangerous man, more to himself than others - and especially towards his wife/kid.

If News International, the NYPD, Activision/EA & the bankers all settle their arguments by bullying and smear campaigns - why should people expect Joe.Q.Public to do any different?
Especially when the governing body wants to give MORE power to people like Paul, and take it away from sites like the Escapist?
 

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This man is a bastard. He beats his wife and acts like a bellend at his work. I hope with my sadistic heart that bad things happen to him in the future.
thank you :) my feelings exactly

Calumon: ...Is it mean to be mean to a meanie?
in this case Calumon, no, it's not.