OfCom's Anti-Piracy Measures Announced (UK)

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Karathos

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Amnestic said:
Didn't they try this in one of the Scandinavian countries and the ISP just stopped logging stuff because they disagreed with the law?

Which then impacted proper police investigations into things like child sex sites and the like because ISPs weren't keeping logs anymore and thus couldn't turn over helpful information to the police?

Yeah, great idea guys. Seriously.
Yeah,that was in Sweden. ISP's stopped logging info so the police couldn't nab the big fish anymore due to lack of traceable log info.

:')
 

Amnestic

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Karathos said:
Amnestic said:
Didn't they try this in one of the Scandinavian countries and the ISP just stopped logging stuff because they disagreed with the law?

Which then impacted proper police investigations into things like child sex sites and the like because ISPs weren't keeping logs anymore and thus couldn't turn over helpful information to the police?

Yeah, great idea guys. Seriously.
Yeah,that was in Sweden. ISP's stopped logging info so the police couldn't nab the big fish anymore due to lack of traceable log info.

:')
Go British Government! Let's copy ideas of other countries which have already been proven to fail and be completely ineffective!

But wait! We'll go one step further. With this plan, we'll negatively affect police investigations into far more serious criminal offences like child sex rings and child porn!

That'll teach those bastard pirates.

I'd love to see them try to outlaw Youtube. The sheer backlash of such an action would be hilarious. We might even get a few riots.
 

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WrongSprite said:
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Pyrofoxable said:
Is there a legal difference between downloading & watching a stream on a website? Youtube has pretty much every song you could think of for example.
There isn't.

You're still looking at or listening to copyrighted material without paying for it.
But you're doing it on a legal site, so it would be easy to claim innocence.
Do you really think they care?
 

omega 616

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When it comes to computers I am a Neanderthal but I do think it would be funny to just flood pirating sites with all kinds of crap, maybe even viruses.

If there making us jump through hoops with DRM, why not mess up there fun by making them download loads of crap before getting what song/game/whatever they want.

Like Limewire.
 

WrongSprite

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Flour said:
WrongSprite said:
Flour said:
Pyrofoxable said:
Is there a legal difference between downloading & watching a stream on a website? Youtube has pretty much every song you could think of for example.
There isn't.

You're still looking at or listening to copyrighted material without paying for it.
But you're doing it on a legal site, so it would be easy to claim innocence.
Do you really think they care?
...yes. You wont be sentenced for using a legal site. End of.
 

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Flour said:
WrongSprite said:
Flour said:
Pyrofoxable said:
Is there a legal difference between downloading & watching a stream on a website? Youtube has pretty much every song you could think of for example.
There isn't.

You're still looking at or listening to copyrighted material without paying for it.
But you're doing it on a legal site, so it would be easy to claim innocence.
Do you really think they care?
Legal sites probably have some kind of contract or legal agreement with the copyright holders wherein visitors are permitted to browse through their licensed content. Stuff that does not come under this agreement or are unlicensed by YouTube and added by members would simply be deleted by moderators. I think that's how it works.
 

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So, ISPs are logging everything everyone downloads.

What does this really mean, in practice? No one's actually going to be able to go through everyone's net history. It's just not practical. Short of blacklisting certain sites then having an investigation when someone visits one of them, the only thing it's really doing is giving evidence against known offenders.

Yeah, it's a breach of civil liberties, no denying that. But no one in the UK really cares about that stuff. I mean, we claim to, but let's face it, no one actually cares enough to do anything about it.
 

Amnestic

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Daverson said:
Yeah, it's a breach of civil liberties, no denying that. But no one in the UK really cares about that stuff. I mean, we claim to, but let's face it, no one actually cares enough to do anything about it.
I email'd my MP about this. I would advise anyone else who cares to do the same. If you don't know who your MP is, you can use this site [http://findyourmp.parliament.uk/]. All you need is your postcode.
 

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This plan is never going to work the way they intend it to and everybody knows it. The only way they can even tell what you're downloading is from the file name, size and type, which is easy to get around. That is unless, as someone else said, they're planning to intercept and reconstruct every single data packet to determine if the file's illegal, or not. In short, not gonna happen.
 

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Flour said:
WrongSprite said:
...yes. You wont be sentenced for using a legal site. End of.
You're not sentenced, you're simply cut off.
And your details are sent to the relevant company who copyrighted it, in case they DO want to sentence you.
 

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Its obviously impractical for ISP's to completely enforce this so the only thing that they can really do is to randomly sample peoples p2p traffic and offer up a handful (relatively) of offenders to the corporations. That is scare tactics plain and simple, they know they can't stop it so they're going to nab a few people and go to town on them to make an example and try to scare other p2p sharers.

Don't get me wrong i'm not a fan of piracy, mainly because it has spawned all these ridiculous countermeasures and DRM that we have to put up with now. On the other hand there are many "Pirates" who would never of bought the material they download anyway... so where's the real harm?
To the copyright holding companies I say this, keep your prices low and those who can pay probably will, keep them high whilst addling your games with DRM you ensure that piracy thrives...
 

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Meh, well I'll continue using Youtube & other streaming sites & see if I get a warning letter. I doubt I will, everyone at least uses Youtube. If I do, no big deal, then I'll stop & Youtube will cry.
 

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Continuity said:
cieply said:
How will they proove that it was YOU that downloaded anything and not your nephew or girlfriend?
They don't have to, the owner of the line is liable, simple.
If this comes into force, everyone with unsecured wireless is *Screwed*