This is a lot of writing about my opinion on something I very much dislike about the Zelda series. If you have no interest in reading that much about this topic, I urge you to skip this thread. XD hehe, okay thanks. Love ya.
If you the readers like the Hyrule Historia that's cool, go ahead and like it if you want but I felt it changed the entire mindset of the series and the expectations people have for future games forever.
I didn't play much of Skyward Sword. I dunno, very early in that game I realized I didn't really care. Something about it really rubbed me wrong. I dunno maybe I was just not in a mood to allow myself to not see the obvious tired Ocarina of Time formula play out again.
Oh look it's some bully that likes Saria - Hello Mido.
Oh look it's some girl that likes Link - Hello Saria. (How funny that Zelda plays the role of Saria in this game)
Oh look it's some non-human girl that shall follow Link around and tell him about stuff. - Hello Navi.
Then all the cooky zaney citizens of the town who looks awkward or acted awkward yet this is totally normal in Zeldaland. It just felt like that was their point of existence first and then whatever their zaney-ness was came 2nd. It felt too much like they were just following status quo, by the numbers. By the time I got to the forest area I had officially stopped caring. I put it down, told myself I'd pick it up again later with new eyes and mindset and never did. I never saw any of the bosses in that game.
On top of that, the game also had a lot of the Offical Hyrule Historia hype around it which put a really bad taste in my mouth. I didn't care for the Historia at all. I can at this point say I hate it. I think it intentionally was made to take away a lot of the charm in the series. I liked it when Link was meant to be looked at as the same guy re-imagined.
And it was cute that other people had their own fun connect the dot time lines. It was fun. It was interesting to read up on to see their reasoning then look up another person's and look at their reasoning.
Once they made it official it changed the series a lot. Oh so, despite none of the game prior even hinting that this is how it works but instead specifically intending for us to imagine Link as the same character, telling the same story but in a new interesting way. The timeline thing is how it always actually was the whole time? Oh... ok I guess.
It was like Nintendo saw other people having fun, thought it would be fun to make their own, then shoved it in everyone's face and said "This is the right one, all of yours are wrong, haha you putz." Thus killing the fun dead in its tracks. Now people who 1 of the reasons they enjoyed Zelda was playing this little game of 'connect the dot' no longer could since others will just roll their eyes and go "Yeah but Nintendo already made an official time line." and now the game has become. "Let's wait and see where Nintendo will put the new game?"
The funny thing is, everyone doesn't see it that way. They were like "Oh man I was close haha. Never thought they'd add a 3rd branch to Ocarina of Time." and then dropped it, not even seeming to notice the entire series was changed forever with a mindset with less in it. No longer is that a game, now it's expectation that affects how people view the game.
The thing is, with Hyrule Warriors and Zelda U coming out, I have a feeling both of these games will get bad receptions from those people because now the game is no longer. "Oh lets see how I logically feel the series connects together." it is now. "Oh I wonder where Nintendo will place this on the timeline. I hope they don't wait 15 years or intentionally make gaps that will be filled later." If they don't publicly announce where they go very soon then the game will not meet that expectation people have of the games and they will start on a negative foundation which which will lead to a negative mindset that will lead to a negative response to aspects of the game which will lead to an overall negative experience. I know this could happen because the same exact thing happened to Wind Waker.
and yes I'm aware that is basically exactly what happened to me for Skyward Sword. The irony is not lost on me.
Maybe not both Zelda U and Hyrule Warriors. Hyrule Warriors will likely take the bulk of that realization of the masses in time for Zelda U to come out. Maybe that's why Hyrule Warriors exists? Maybe that's why this is the first game to try something risky with the combination efforts with Dynasty Warriors. If it works cool, if it doesn't then it still buffered the backlash Hyrule Historia will surely have for a lot of people on the next game in the series following its existence. So they can just jumble all the dislike into a ball and blame Hyrule Warriors as a gimmicky bad idea and we'll just pretend it never existed and audiences will have no idea just how much they were manipulated.
That bothers me because I'm very much looking forward to Hyrule Warriors. I love Zelda, Midna and Cia in this game. They look cool and I can't wait to play. I told myself I wouldn't buy a game console until 4 games I wanted were out or being release and Hyrule Warriors was 1 of those games. I wouldn't own a Wii U right now if it wasn't for Hyrule Warriors and then I would have came very late to the Mario Kart Party.
I couldn't yet care less about Zelda U, the trailer showed nothing. Why should I be excited over nothing? I'm sure I'll be excited later but right now I don't care. XD I was the same way when Twilight Princess was coming out, I didn't care either and Twilight Princess is 1 of the 3 games that toggles consistently between my favorite is in the series.
I will say this though, with the Hyrule Historia being an official part of the Zelda series now. Zelda U better have an optional female Link to play as. It's what everyone wanted at E3, it better happen and it better not be held out on for the game after Zelda U as an idea to consider. Everyone wanted it and now there's no reason not to have it because it is official that this isn't the same guy we loved in Ocarina of Time but some Jack-ass I have no emotional investment in. He's no longer Link but some silent audience avatar like Pokemon. They better start making Link customizable and I will have a lot less respect for Nintendo if they don't for Zelda U but DO add customization in the proceeding game. It will show they took our request and held onto it to ensure they have something to help sell the next game in the series and I despise that way of thinking. It happens a lot in Pokemon and and it happens a lot in Call of Duty and it's disgusting to think they are withholding our enjoyment for profit and so they don't have to think as hard when the next game comes out.
So yeah. <.< Not a fan of the Official Hyrule Historia and by extension Skyward Sword which chose to make it canon. I never made those timelines like other people, I never saw Zelda games that way. I saw them the way they seemed to intended. A retelling of the same story in a different way. Now Ocarina of Time formula games just seem lazy. Oh, so this IS IN FACT officially a new story with a new hero but you're just choosing to tell it in the same tired way. Yeah, no thanks. Wake me up when you care about your games again.
If you the readers like the Hyrule Historia that's cool, go ahead and like it if you want but I felt it changed the entire mindset of the series and the expectations people have for future games forever.
I didn't play much of Skyward Sword. I dunno, very early in that game I realized I didn't really care. Something about it really rubbed me wrong. I dunno maybe I was just not in a mood to allow myself to not see the obvious tired Ocarina of Time formula play out again.
Oh look it's some bully that likes Saria - Hello Mido.
Oh look it's some girl that likes Link - Hello Saria. (How funny that Zelda plays the role of Saria in this game)
Oh look it's some non-human girl that shall follow Link around and tell him about stuff. - Hello Navi.
Then all the cooky zaney citizens of the town who looks awkward or acted awkward yet this is totally normal in Zeldaland. It just felt like that was their point of existence first and then whatever their zaney-ness was came 2nd. It felt too much like they were just following status quo, by the numbers. By the time I got to the forest area I had officially stopped caring. I put it down, told myself I'd pick it up again later with new eyes and mindset and never did. I never saw any of the bosses in that game.
On top of that, the game also had a lot of the Offical Hyrule Historia hype around it which put a really bad taste in my mouth. I didn't care for the Historia at all. I can at this point say I hate it. I think it intentionally was made to take away a lot of the charm in the series. I liked it when Link was meant to be looked at as the same guy re-imagined.
And it was cute that other people had their own fun connect the dot time lines. It was fun. It was interesting to read up on to see their reasoning then look up another person's and look at their reasoning.
Once they made it official it changed the series a lot. Oh so, despite none of the game prior even hinting that this is how it works but instead specifically intending for us to imagine Link as the same character, telling the same story but in a new interesting way. The timeline thing is how it always actually was the whole time? Oh... ok I guess.
It was like Nintendo saw other people having fun, thought it would be fun to make their own, then shoved it in everyone's face and said "This is the right one, all of yours are wrong, haha you putz." Thus killing the fun dead in its tracks. Now people who 1 of the reasons they enjoyed Zelda was playing this little game of 'connect the dot' no longer could since others will just roll their eyes and go "Yeah but Nintendo already made an official time line." and now the game has become. "Let's wait and see where Nintendo will put the new game?"
The funny thing is, everyone doesn't see it that way. They were like "Oh man I was close haha. Never thought they'd add a 3rd branch to Ocarina of Time." and then dropped it, not even seeming to notice the entire series was changed forever with a mindset with less in it. No longer is that a game, now it's expectation that affects how people view the game.
The thing is, with Hyrule Warriors and Zelda U coming out, I have a feeling both of these games will get bad receptions from those people because now the game is no longer. "Oh lets see how I logically feel the series connects together." it is now. "Oh I wonder where Nintendo will place this on the timeline. I hope they don't wait 15 years or intentionally make gaps that will be filled later." If they don't publicly announce where they go very soon then the game will not meet that expectation people have of the games and they will start on a negative foundation which which will lead to a negative mindset that will lead to a negative response to aspects of the game which will lead to an overall negative experience. I know this could happen because the same exact thing happened to Wind Waker.
and yes I'm aware that is basically exactly what happened to me for Skyward Sword. The irony is not lost on me.
Maybe not both Zelda U and Hyrule Warriors. Hyrule Warriors will likely take the bulk of that realization of the masses in time for Zelda U to come out. Maybe that's why Hyrule Warriors exists? Maybe that's why this is the first game to try something risky with the combination efforts with Dynasty Warriors. If it works cool, if it doesn't then it still buffered the backlash Hyrule Historia will surely have for a lot of people on the next game in the series following its existence. So they can just jumble all the dislike into a ball and blame Hyrule Warriors as a gimmicky bad idea and we'll just pretend it never existed and audiences will have no idea just how much they were manipulated.
That bothers me because I'm very much looking forward to Hyrule Warriors. I love Zelda, Midna and Cia in this game. They look cool and I can't wait to play. I told myself I wouldn't buy a game console until 4 games I wanted were out or being release and Hyrule Warriors was 1 of those games. I wouldn't own a Wii U right now if it wasn't for Hyrule Warriors and then I would have came very late to the Mario Kart Party.
I couldn't yet care less about Zelda U, the trailer showed nothing. Why should I be excited over nothing? I'm sure I'll be excited later but right now I don't care. XD I was the same way when Twilight Princess was coming out, I didn't care either and Twilight Princess is 1 of the 3 games that toggles consistently between my favorite is in the series.
I will say this though, with the Hyrule Historia being an official part of the Zelda series now. Zelda U better have an optional female Link to play as. It's what everyone wanted at E3, it better happen and it better not be held out on for the game after Zelda U as an idea to consider. Everyone wanted it and now there's no reason not to have it because it is official that this isn't the same guy we loved in Ocarina of Time but some Jack-ass I have no emotional investment in. He's no longer Link but some silent audience avatar like Pokemon. They better start making Link customizable and I will have a lot less respect for Nintendo if they don't for Zelda U but DO add customization in the proceeding game. It will show they took our request and held onto it to ensure they have something to help sell the next game in the series and I despise that way of thinking. It happens a lot in Pokemon and and it happens a lot in Call of Duty and it's disgusting to think they are withholding our enjoyment for profit and so they don't have to think as hard when the next game comes out.
So yeah. <.< Not a fan of the Official Hyrule Historia and by extension Skyward Sword which chose to make it canon. I never made those timelines like other people, I never saw Zelda games that way. I saw them the way they seemed to intended. A retelling of the same story in a different way. Now Ocarina of Time formula games just seem lazy. Oh, so this IS IN FACT officially a new story with a new hero but you're just choosing to tell it in the same tired way. Yeah, no thanks. Wake me up when you care about your games again.
