Oh Minister Gail Shea. What have you done now?

[PurpleRain]

Well everyone knows Peta is just a buch of crazy Eco Terrorists.

Now that fact could be true.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/01/26/nl-byrne-terrorism-012610.html

Remember those days when people would cheer when government officials got pies in their faces? Those were a long time ago. Minister Gail Shea was giving a speech when she had a pie put in her face as protest. Keep in mind this happens all the time. Now she threatens PETA as being a 'terrorist group'.

Further more Shea followed the act up with saying:

"I can tell you that this incident actually strengthens my resolve to support the seal hunt," she said. "If this is what it takes to stand up for Canadian sealing families and this industry I'm certainly very proud to do it."

Ugh. This is another act with government officials taking things too far. While I don't agree with PETA's tactics of protest, by de-humanizing the people they should be gaining support from, I do know the difference between a bomb and a pie.

This is a bomb:

Spoiler

This is a pie:

Spoiler

If PETA had their way then there would be people following cows around to offer them a tissue if they look like they'll sneeze.

Stop the vegans, eat a cow.

And do destruction on the earth. Everyone is this new faze of caring about the environment but really not at the same time. Whack on some energy saving light bulbs and you'll be good.
Cows and cattle in general should be mass produced as they are now. Companies kike Monsanto are not helping this.

The argument that we could fed the world with cows is also bullshit ('scuse the pun). Cows eat around six pounds of wheat to produce one pound of meat. I'm not vegan. I still eat cheese, eggs and honey. But those I see no major problem with. The reason my eating style is the way it is now because the truth is fucking scary. With less cattle and all the major meat industries were destroyed, we could better mankind. Cows and chickens would be best killed and eaten on farms if not driven to the local butcher. People can eat their meat as long as they know where they're getting it.

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

[HEADING=2]BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH![/HEADING]
Sorry, I had to make that clear how funny that joke was and how original it is.

Please people, make this thread clean of idiotic remarks like this.

 

[PurpleRain]

*Idiotic Remark*

Thank you. This thread has benefited greatly from your post.

 

[JRCB]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

 

[PurpleRain]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

You don't have to go vegetarian. Eat local and eat organic and you're doing as much help as a vegetarian. As a planet we can't keep on churning meat out like this.

 

[JRCB]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

You don't have to go vegetarian. Eat local and eat organic and you're doing as much help as a vegetarian. As a planet we can't keep on churning meat out like this.

I live in Toronto. Any ideas where I could buy local? I don't have a clue.

 

[PurpleRain]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

You don't have to go vegetarian. Eat local and eat organic and you're doing as much help as a vegetarian. As a planet we can't keep on churning meat out like this.

I live in Toronto. Any ideas where I could buy local? I don't have a clue.

Eating local just mean eat things from Ontario. There has to be farms around there. Living in Canada I'm pretty sure you don't have any growth hormones in your meat so you should be good. Talk to the butcher. They get these questions all the time and they should know where their meat is from, even if just to keep a good business running for themselves.

EDIT

Crap like you get at Safeway I wouldn't really trust. You can taste the difference in meat quality too. Apparently soon they're bring out some 5 step thing. Step one meat is free range. Step five is full organic and whatnot. That'll help with most people.

 

[CroMagnon]

If you eat ANY cow, your hurting the planet sadly. Luckly, i love fish more than any other meat, so im okay.

 

[mattman106]

Well everyone knows Peta is just a buch of crazy Eco Terrorists.

Now that fact could be true.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/01/26/nl-byrne-terrorism-012610.html

Remember those days when people would cheer when government officials got pies in their faces? Those were a long time ago. Minister Gail Shea was giving a speech when she had a pie put in her face as protest. Keep in mind this happens all the time. Now she threatens PETA as being a 'terrorist group'.

Further more Shea followed the act up with saying:

"I can tell you that this incident actually strengthens my resolve to support the seal hunt," she said. "If this is what it takes to stand up for Canadian sealing families and this industry I'm certainly very proud to do it."

Ugh. This is another act with government officials taking things too far. While I don't agree with PETA's tactics of protest, by de-humanizing the people they should be gaining support from, I do know the difference between a bomb and a pie.

This is a bomb:

Spoiler

This is a pie:

Spoiler

If PETA had their way then there would be people following cows around to offer them a tissue if they look like they'll sneeze.

Stop the vegans, eat a cow.

And do destruction on the earth. Everyone is this new faze of caring about the environment but really not at the same time. Whack on some energy saving light bulbs and you'll be good.
Cows and cattle in general should be mass produced as they are now. Companies kike Monsanto are not helping this.

The argument that we could fed the world with cows is also bullshit ('scuse the pun). Cows eat around six pounds of wheat to produce one pound of meat. I'm not vegan. I still eat cheese, eggs and honey. But those I see no major problem with. The reason my eating style is the way it is now because the truth is fucking scary. With less cattle and all the major meat industries were destroyed, we could better mankind. Cows and chickens would be best killed and eaten on farms if not driven to the local butcher. People can eat their meat as long as they know where they're getting it.

People for the Eating of Tasty Animals.

[HEADING=2]BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH![/HEADING]
Sorry, I had to make that clear how funny that joke was and how original it is.

Please people, make this thread clean of idiotic remarks like this.

But didn't the activist come from NY, so she travelled to Canada in a polluting, habital destroying conveyance to put a pie in someones face. Seems this PETA hipster was being a tad hypocritical.

 

[Insanum]

Right, From what i can see, Moderation is key. Whilst PETA is out fornicating animals and mistaking Mammals for fish, The governments should be out doing sensible things, like stopping senseless seal hunts for the sakes of Tradition.

And moreso, Japan should stop whaling. That shit is mean[/I].

Whaling is illegal, but japan get around it by saying they are counting how many whales are in their waters, And the best way to count it is to harpoon it.

Good plan, but when you think about it, there isnt really much difference between "counting" and "whaling" is there?

 

[PurpleRain]

If you eat ANY cow, your hurting the planet sadly. Luckly, i love fish more than any other meat, so im okay.

Fish too. There has been massive moments against fish farms and overfishing. Most of the oxygen we get is from the ocean. The balance has to be kept there. But yeah, I know very little about this subject. I don't think it is as damaging as cattle. With them we have to clear land for methane spewing animals, feed them more then they really need, and then ship them across the globe for a profit.

I'm also really surprised and hounered that this thread is doing amazingly well Everyone so far has been nice and questioning.

 

[JRCB]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

You don't have to go vegetarian. Eat local and eat organic and you're doing as much help as a vegetarian. As a planet we can't keep on churning meat out like this.

I live in Toronto. Any ideas where I could buy local? I don't have a clue.

Eating local just mean eat things from Ontario. There has to be farms around there. Living in Canada I'm pretty sure you don't have any growth hormones in your meat so you should be good. Talk to the butcher. They get these questions all the time and they should know where their meat is from, even if just to keep a good business running for themselves.

EDIT

Crap like you get at Safeway I wouldn't really trust. You can taste the difference in meat quality too. Apparently soon they're bring out some 5 step thing. Step one meat is free range. Step five is full organic and whatnot. That'll help with most people.

All of Ontario counts for local? I might be fine, then.

 

[PurpleRain]

But didn't the activist come from NY, so she travelled to Canada in a polluting, habital destroying conveyance to put a pie in someones face. Seems this PETA hipster was being a tad hypocritical.

Hmm, where'd you get the NY part from? Anyway, I'm sure they were up for more then putting a pie in someone's face.

Right, From what i can see, Moderation is key. Whilst PETA is out fornicating animals and mistaking Mammals for fish, The governments should be out doing sensible things, like stopping senseless seal hunts for the sakes of Tradition.

And moreso, Japan should stop whaling. That shit is mean[/I].

Whaling is illegal, but japan get around it by saying they are counting how many whales are in their waters, And the best way to count it is to harpoon it.

Good plan, but when you think about it, there isnt really much difference between "counting" and "whaling" is there?

Agreed. Gail Shea is taking two steps back for mankind by doing this.

 

[PurpleRain]

All of Ontario counts for local? I might be fine, then.

Well the eating local thing is just something to keep an ear out for. While the meat may come from some processing plant down the road, those cows could be up from the States. That petrol really is a waste when you can have a cow right there. Same goes to vegetables and fruit.

 

[JRCB]

All of Ontario counts for local? I might be fine, then.

Well the eating local thing is just something to keep an ear out for. While the meat may come from some processing plant down the road, those cows could be up from the States. That petrol really is a waste when you can have a cow right there. Same goes to vegetables and fruit.

And know I know.

I think I just got learned.

 

[Karnith]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

You don't have to go vegetarian. Eat local and eat organic and you're doing as much help as a vegetarian. As a planet we can't keep on churning meat out like this.

Well, now, that's an interesting statement. If you eat organic (by which I assume you mean something to the effect of "naturally grown" fruits and vegetables; I have no idea what a non-organic cow would be), you're actually increasing production inefficiency. Do you know why most large-scale farms use things like pesticides? Because they make the food less likely to contain natural sicknesses (which is what happens when you fertilize food with regular old manure) and increase the likelihood that the food will survive, both of which help the world's food and health problem far more than avoiding the possible sickness ingesting preservatives and pesticides might cause after a lifetime of ingestion.

And, because I love a good humor magazine (no, unfortunately this isn't the Escapist), check this [http://www.cracked.com/article_16078_the-5-most-ridiculously-over-hyped-health-scares-all-time_p5.html]. Or, if you want a more factual basis from a respectable source (i.e. a man who is a professor of pathology, and seems to have been knighted to boot) for why pesticides aren't all bad, look at this [http://www.fightingdiseases.org/main/bulletins.php?bulletin_id=1193066533].

As for locally grown, it's possible that you will benefit from growing things locally, but unlikely. You see, unless you happen to live near prime grazing land for cows (and other animals, but cows are a good example, so I'll stick with it), there is someone who will be able to raise cows better than you will be able to. Meaning that he'll either be able to raise more than you, or they'll be healthier due to more abundant food, or whatever. The point is, it's almost always better to let the people who focus on meat production dominate that market than to let a local farmer do it. By the by, I am only taking 100-level Economics courses, so if an actual economics expert wants to correct me on this logic, feel free to.

For the record, though, you are correct about wasting food for beef and other meats. It is a rather abominable waste of food. But it's so tasty...

And, more on topic, when did getting pied in the face go from slapstick to terrorism?

 

[Internet Kraken]

Is this all you do? Complain about people mocking PETA because they share similar beliefs to yours? Because that's all I've seen you do.

I find PETA bashing to be annoying as well. However, I don;t find the need to make threads about it. I fail to see what we are supposed to be discussing here. And I don't see why this post couldn't be a part of the other thread.

 

[Avatar Roku]

Wait a sec...Purps, when did you get back? I thought you'd stopped with the Escapist?

 

[Zetsubou]

Alright, I live around where cows are...shall we say...produced. Would it be ecologically friendly for me to eat meat then?

Also, there's the energy pyramid. Any being farther up on the food chain is going to require more energy from those below it to sustain it and is going to give less energy when eaten. It is more feasible to get more energy from producers because they have the most, but the human body needs proteins and is not built to process some plant foods. I'm conflicted on this.

 

[PurpleRain]

Yeah, she's a bit daft. I would go vegetarian, but meat is just so tasty.....

You don't have to go vegetarian. Eat local and eat organic and you're doing as much help as a vegetarian. As a planet we can't keep on churning meat out like this.

Well, now, that's an interesting statement. If you eat organic (by which I assume you mean something to the effect of "naturally grown" fruits and vegetables; I have no idea what a non-organic cow would be), you're actually increasing production inefficiency. Do you know why most large-scale farms use things like pesticides? Because they make the food less likely to contain natural sicknesses (which is what happens when you fertilize food with regular old manure) and increase the likelihood that the food will survive, both of which help the world's food and health problem far more than avoiding the possible sickness ingesting preservatives and pesticides might cause after a lifetime of ingestion.

And, because I love a good humor magazine (no, unfortunately this isn't the Escapist), check this [http://www.cracked.com/article_16078_the-5-most-ridiculously-over-hyped-health-scares-all-time_p5.html]. Or, if you want a more factual basis from a respectable source (i.e. a man who is a professor of pathology, and seems to have been knighted to boot) for why pesticides aren't all bad, look at this [http://www.fightingdiseases.org/main/bulletins.php?bulletin_id=1193066533].

As for locally grown, it's possible that you will benefit from growing things locally, but unlikely. You see, unless you happen to live near prime grazing land for cows (and other animals, but cows are a good example, so I'll stick with it), there is someone who will be able to raise cows better than you will be able to. Meaning that he'll either be able to raise more than you, or they'll be healthier due to more abundant food, or whatever. The point is, it's almost always better to let the people who focus on meat production dominate that market than to let a local farmer do it. By the by, I am only taking 100-level Economics courses, so if an actual economics expert wants to correct me on this logic, feel free to.

For the record, though, you are correct about wasting food for beef and other meats. It is a rather abominable waste of food. But it's so tasty...

And, more on topic, when did getting pied in the face go from slapstick to terrorism?

Well organic farming can use certain pesticides that aren't really. I think some brands of vegetable oil and whatnot can kill off the insects or at least detract them. They get other insects to kill off the ones that would eat the plants. They also use leaf litter as an integral part of growing crops. They really just take out the unnatural elements and put in things that nature already does.

I don't think all pesticides are bad. I eat non-organic foods as well. Though natural is a step up as well.

Organic cows are basically cows fed organic food. Organic also implies natural, so no growth hormones, etc. Remember mad cow, that was not organic food.

Anyway, thanks for the post and the links.

 

[PurpleRain]

Alright, I live around where cows are...shall we say...produced. Would it be ecologically friendly for me to eat meat then?

Also, there's the energy pyramid. Any being farther up on the food chain is going to require more energy from those below it to sustain it and is going to give less energy when eaten. It is more feasible to get more energy from producers because they have the most, but the human body needs proteins and is not built to process some plant foods. I'm conflicted on this.

Think about it this way, everything we it is essentially rocks. Iron, minerals, vitamins, etc. All stuff that comes from the ground. This means everything can be substituted. Protein shakes have no meat in them, so where do they get the protein.
Also, you're right about the fact we can't eat all plant food. Grass and stuff is not going to be overly nutritious for us. Things you get at the market are however. Humans can survive on just liquids as well. We don't even need to eat. Scary.

Wait a sec...Purps, when did you get back? I thought you'd stopped with the Escapist?

She's my mistress.