Oh Shit! Joss Whedon's SHIELD Just....

[Fappy]

(This discussion will be filled with Avengers spoilers)

So yeah, ABC confirmed yesterday that the SHIELD TV series takes place after the Avengers film: http://spinoff.comicbookresources.com/2013/01/14/joss-whedons-s-h-i-e-l-d-isnt-avengers-prequel-abc-confirms/

For those of you who have watched the film you likely remember...

Spoiler

Everyone's favorite SHIELD agent, Phil Coulson, dies at the hands of Loki.

Well, considering Coulson is said to be the main character of the series and it takes place after the movie... you do the math.

Spoiler

Resurrection? Faked death? Robot? Alien? Were the rumors about him becoming Vision true?

Discuss!

 

[Hoplon]

Really? What I read was he was only in the first episode. So I don't think anyone knows.

 

[TheSapphireKnight]

I'm pretty sure they hinted at him surviving in the Avenger. His Captain America cards being in his locker and not on him and if I recall correctly a line along the lines of "needing motivation." I don't see why this is so surprising.

 

[GameChanger]

You might want to put the word spoilers in the title. People might still complain, not that you should indulge them as they should kinda know better than that, but just to keep this from becoming a whinefest.

I really loved his character, but then again I loved every single damn character in all of the avengers movies except from that bad guy from Iron Man 2, but then again it had Pepper Potts as the best female character in all of fiction so that evened it out I guess.

But, I'm drifting off, I think that if Phil Coulson could very well be resurrected. As moviebob has always said: "COMICS ARE WEEEEEEIIIIRD", and resurrections are not an uncommon thing in the superhero comics. The pilot of the SHIELD series could revolve around his resurrection, or maybe lead up to it. I'm curious to see what they will do with the thing.
Another possibility could be a flashback, maybe someone telling someone else what a great person, and well-written character he was, despite actually not being on screen that much.

I hope to see more of him in the series, but I don't know if he really SHOULD be resurrected. Sounds like a better discussion topic to me.

 

[Scarim Coral]

I'm pretty sure they hinted at him surviving in the Avenger. His Captain America cards being in his locker and not on him and if I recall correctly a line along the lines of "needing motivation." I don't see why this is so surprising.

I just assume Nick just went to get the card in Coulson locker and smear those cards onto Coulson blood or just any other blood for that matter.

Spoiler: As for my take on it

Well I've read ages ago in a comicbook website, if he were to return (after the film) then it's most likely that LMD aka Life Model Decoy will be involved (heh, they actually reference that concept in the Avengers film when Tony Stark reply that he was an Life Model Decoy to get Coulson to leave his building).
For those who don't know what it is, in Marvel comic, they got androids of characters known as LMD who look and act exactly like that character would. Their purpose are pretty much used as an scapegoat granted they are not used often (in the most recent example Thunderbolt Ross from Hulk comic).

Either way I'm against for them to use LMD in the film or series for that matter as it's a simply cop out and the genral audience (those who aren't into comicbook) wouldn't buy it (a loud of bull...).

 

[Fappy]

I'm pretty sure they hinted at him surviving in the Avenger. His Captain America cards being in his locker and not on him and if I recall correctly a line along the lines of "needing motivation." I don't see why this is so surprising.

I just assume Nick just went to get the card in Coulson locker and smear those cards onto Coulson blood or just any other blood for that matter.

Spoiler: As for my take on it

Well I've read ages ago in a comicbook website, if he were to return (after the film) then it's most likely that LMD aka Life Model Decoy will be involved (heh, they actually reference that concept in the Avengers film when Tony Stark reply that he was an Life Model Decoy to get Coulson to leave his building).
For those who don't know what it is, in Marvel comic, they got androids of characters known as LMD who look and act exactly like that character would. Their purpose are pretty much used as an scapegoat granted they are not used often (in the most recent example Thunderbolt Ross from Hulk comic).

Either way I'm against for them to use LMD in the film or series for that matter as it's a simply cop out and the genral audience (those who aren't into comicbook) wouldn't buy it (a loud of bull...).

That's an interesting theory, though LMDs are usually associated with Nick fury, so I'd prefer if they ever use them that they use them for a Fury related plot-point. Just cause.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I think in a world with Norse Gods, government created super-soldiers, men turning into giant green rage-monsters, a man building his own super-robot-suit and Samuel L Jackson, I'm fairly certain reality has been thoroughly told to go fuck itself.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

I'd already expected that Coulson would show up, since he was also in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon as well.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

I see they're staying true to the comics: No one stays dead.

Besides, I'm in no way bothered by some little handwave if it means we get a series focussing on Agent Coulson's total badassery.

 

[Browncoat86]

I thought it was standard procedure in the world of comics to only believe that a death was permanent after being presented with a corpse, otherwise all bets are off.

 

[Ryotknife]

It was all a simulation. Totally pull a Family Guy.

 

[Amethyst Wind]

Did somebody say Doombot?

Better call in Squirrel Girl.

 

[Zen Toombs]

I think Coulson was just badly injured by Loki, and then Nick Fury did something monstrous - he lied.

 

[Thaluikhain]

I'm pretty sure they hinted at him surviving in the Avenger. His Captain America cards being in his locker and not on him and if I recall correctly a line along the lines of "needing motivation." I don't see why this is so surprising.

I just assume Nick just went to get the card in Coulson locker and smear those cards onto Coulson blood or just any other blood for that matter.

Yeah, that was what I thought, never considered it might mean he wasn't dead.

 

[bastardofmelbourne]

We should really all be blaming Joss Whedon for killing him off. It wasn't even a very good long-term ploy! Everybody loved him, he could have carried the SHIELD series, and then Whedon has to stab him because no-one is allowed to be happy!

Damn you, Wheeeedoooooooooon!

 

[Trivun]

When I saw the film and saw what happened to him, I knew something was up anyway because I've always followed a rule of thumb that seems to work and has almost always been pretty spot-on when I've seen film and TV and whatnot - if a character's death is not confirmed on-screen, then it's safe to assume that the situation is a bit more cloudy and they may still be alive. By that, I mean that in this case the character in question did get severely wounded on-screen and wasn't seen again, but when we heard that "yes, he's actually dead", we never actually saw the corpse, nor did the official confirmation of death from the doctors happen on screen - we only heard what Nick Fury said to the team. Plus the whole 'motivation' angle, so yeah, I was upset at this guy's death and worried that it was real, but I straight away thought of ways he could have survived. I'm also not a big comic fan (I would read Marvel if it wasn't for my compulsive need to understand the entire story thus meaning I'd end up trying to track down every comic for a particular character - that's why the Marvel Cinematic Universe is a great reboot for me to be into from the start), but I do know a few of the tricks within the Marvel Universe that tie in to SHIELD itself, and could theoretically have been used to fake this character's death.

The most obvious, and probable (according to Occam's Razor), being a Life-Model Decoy (which was also hinted at by this character's actor as well). I doubt it would be magic involved though, despite the next set of films (Phase 2 of the MCU) being supernatural based - it's too early, and as far as we know SHIELD have no magical-based operatives or artefacts. Either way, I'm hoping this is true, becasue this character was one of my favourites all the way through and I definitely want to see him alive either in the SHIELD TV show or in the later films (as well as being eager to see what the team's reaction to his survival is, I can definitely see Tony Stark being a bit pissed off and giving Fury the old 'what for'...) xD.

 

[Trivun]

I'd already expected that Coulson would show up, since he was also in the Ultimate Spider-man cartoon as well.

Different continuity. According to the Marvel Wiki, they take place in different universes - the MCU all takes place in Earth/Universe-199999, which is solely for Cinematic Universe use. The animated series' and comics and all other incarnations of Marvel universes have different alternate realities. So a version of Coulson (also voiced by the film actor Clark Gregg) exists in the Ultimate Spiderman series, yes, but it's not the same Coulson as the MCU version.

 

[ecoho]

ok am i the only one who saw this and saw Phil Coulson walking past lokie while hes imprisoned and hearing lokie say "you have got to be kidding me, I DIDNT KILL ANYONE?!"

OT: oh i hope this is true and also hopeing for that sort of moment to happen too

 

[drh1975]

Loki killed an LMD of Coulson, not the real guy.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

Let's not forget Avengers Earth's mightiest heroes where Coulson was still alive and that was set after the events of the film hence the team being together and gathering more throughout the series like Black panther and Ant man.

Then there's Ultimate-Spiderman series where Coulson is actually the principle of Parker's school and manages Spidey's mini team.

Either way I'd assume him to be alive during the events of SHIELD and I for one cannot wait for this and new Avengers Assemble series and lastly Hulk and the Agents of S.M.A.S.H.