Oikos university shooting

[JesterRaiin]

Hyia !

Just a quick question...
Somebody knows something more about this incident ?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/02/oikos-university-shooting_n_1397572.html
I hope it won't end with usual "hurr, durr, video games" routine. :\

 

[Mayhaps]

"Police described the suspect as an Asian male, 5-foot-9, wearing tan pants"

I doubt anyone here will get insider info, try google for more information.

Also Oikos University offers studies in theology, music, nursing and Asian medicine.
A curious curriculum, but why is it a part of the article?

 

[OneCatch]

Somebody knows something more about this incident ?

Couple of links for you; don't know if they're helpful, but I'm in the UK so I can't do much else!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17590859

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/04/02/BABJ1NTM3Q.DTL&tsp=1

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16201382

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oikos-university-shooting-leaves-dead/story?id=16056854

Looks grim :/

 

[senordesol]

Why are these people so bad at killing people? They only ever get a few kills despite being in a building with hundreds of people.

With only ~30 rounds to work with, he's actually pretty terrifying lethal. Life isn't like a game of CoD, folks. Getting hit by a bullet, even in the CoM is not necessarily a death sentence.

I just hope no one raises the bar.

 

[omega 616]

Why are these people so bad at killing people? They only ever get a few kills despite being in a building with hundreds of people.

With only ~30 rounds to work with, he's actually pretty terrifying lethal. Life isn't like a game of CoD, folks. Getting hit by a bullet, even in the CoM is not necessarily a death sentence.

I just hope no one raises the bar.

he shouldve used extended mags and steady aim

does making that joke make me a horrible person?

in all seriousness situations like this are horrible, and were lucky he wasnt better at killing people, best wishes to the victims and there families and lets hope this never happens again and ensure that if it does then we are prepared for it and respond in the appropriate way to save people

Yeah 'cos the dozen or so other times this has happened never actually happened. I can think of two off the top of my head and I am pretty sure there is a third famous one, there is Columbine and Virginia tech.

I'm sorry but until America gets over it's love for guns and stop treating a killing tool as a safety blanket the safer the country will be for them.

I know I am going to get quoted into the floor but I still cannot think of a situation where allowing civvies to carry guns is a good idea!

Sucks for the families and I wish it never happened to them though.

 

[Soviet Steve]

Yeah 'cos the dozen or so other times this has happened never actually happened. I can think of two off the top of my head and I am pretty sure there is a third famous one, there is Columbine and Columbia tech.

I'm sorry but until America gets over it's love for guns and stop treating a killing tool as a safety blanket the safer the country will be for them.

I know I am going to get quoted into the floor but I still cannot think of a situation where allowing civvies to carry guns is a good idea!

Sucks for the families and I wish it never happened to them though.

But if they had all had guns I'm sure this would have turned out well. Not many people know this but if you're committing a crime you enter into hostile mode. While in this mode you have a giant red arrow pointing at you that shows others that you are the attacker, which is how they avoid collateral damage, mass hysteria and so on.

Plus with more ammo at the site they avoid people running out of bullets to defend themselves with.

 

[omega 616]

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Ah, the lord of war "bigger stick theory". The "we have guns 'cos they have guns. So if they shoot us, we can shoot back" ideal. Where is the diplomacy in it?

simply and quickly this isnt the guns fault, the guy was a nut job who wanted to kill some people and if he didnt have a gun he would have had road rage or burnt a building down or killed people anyway without using firearms (hell if he had any respect for human life this wouldnt have happened, looking someone in the eyes and killing them is hard with or without a gun)

guns are not the problem people are the problem and the sooner anti-gun people realise this the better

The difference is: road rage is by car, cars are useful for transport. Whatever he did to burn down the building them products would have been useful for something and it's easier to get away from a fire than a gun man. Knives are useful in the kitchen among other things.

Guns have only 1 reason for being, to kill. Sure, take away all guns and nutters will kill with something that has a useful reason for being.

Guns are the problem, the next best option to a gun is a knife and to kill with a knife is a personal thing. You have to be up close but with a gun you can be hundreds of feet away, thus taking you out of the situation almost.

I have heard multiple times on those prison programmes that it is so much easier to kill with a gun.

I await the day a pro gun person walks me through the exact situation where having a gun is good thing 'cos in every situation I see it being useless.

 

[Soviet Steve]

Ah, the lord of war "bigger stick theory". The "we have guns 'cos they have guns. So if they shoot us, we can shoot back" ideal. Where is the diplomacy in it?

I didn't suggest there was any, just pointed out that that way no civilians get harmed because due to the magical giant red arrow everyone will instantly know who the shooter is and thereby avoid shooting other innocents.

 

[senordesol]

Guns have only 1 reason for being, to kill. Sure, take away all guns and nutters will kill with something that has a useful reason for being.

Guns are the problem, the next best option to a gun is a knife and to kill with a knife is a personal thing. You have to be up close but with a gun you can be hundreds of feet away, thus taking you out of the situation almost.

I have heard multiple times on those prison programmes that it is so much easier to kill with a gun.

I await the day a pro gun person walks me through the exact situation where having a gun is good thing 'cos in every situation I see it being useless.

This useful enough for you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxC4_ew4YA&feature=related

Or this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&feature=related

Or maybe this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-q2zHIovOE&feature=related

 

[omega 616]

I can give you more if you wish.

You kind of messed that up ... You were meant to quote me, haha.

That just makes me scared, I have no idea what an ELO is but they sound like professional armed police who can't do that? So if they miss they just shout "MULLIGAN" and hope nobody innocent was killed?

I know guns can be built in prison, a guy did it with a pair of boxers, a tray and a knife. Be serious now, in prison what is more likely to be built a gun or a shiv?

Wow, that man must be able to run fast! I mean If he can keep up with a car! What I am saying is, drive off! If your car is totaled then be diplomatic, although to me this just sounds made up.

A guy is in a car crash and just gets out to get his tyre iron, then threatens the other guy? Road rage to the max!

I said nothing about farmers owning guns, I get why they have to 'cos I was friends with a farmer. Not just farmers but people living near bear areas and such.

My advice to your friend, stop being stupid and move ... again this sounds made up. Drug dealers firing at a house? Guns don't stop bullets, you know? Owning a gun doesn't mean he wont be killed.

Please do give me more ....

This useful enough for you? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzxC4_ew4YA&feature=related

Or this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuhKCiY-lu0&feature=related

Or maybe this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-q2zHIovOE&feature=related

So what have we here ... 84 year old woman shoots a guy. Nice, her value of human life is what? $200?

Again, valuing somebodies life at a few hundred bucks, MAYBE. Wow, Americans really value life highly by the looks of things.

Oh great, top it off with children using daddies assault rifle, gun safety folks! Yet again, another low estimate on human life.

Do you guys know what insurance is? 'cos I am pretty sure if you get robbed but have insurance you get refunded for it and everybody lives.

Just saiyan ...

 

[senordesol]

So what have we here ... 84 year old woman shoots a guy. Nice, her value of human life is what? $200?

Again, valuing somebodies life at a few hundred bucks, MAYBE. Wow, Americans really value life highly by the looks of things.

Oh great, top it off with children using daddies assault rifle, gun safety folks! Yet again, another low estimate on human life.

Do you guys know what insurance is? 'cos I am pretty sure if you get robbed but have insurance you get refunded for it and everybody lives.

Just saiyan ...

$200? How much do you think ammunition costs? Maybe $0.10 a bullet in most states.

And so far as I'm concerned, she should be reimbursed for what ammunition she expended because the life of someone who assails you in your own home has NO value. That is $0, well short of $200 my friend.

And as for the kids having to use their father's AR-15, what? would you have them sit quietly and hope the men who broke in their homes leave them alone? Do the lives of those children have no value?