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tseroff

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The idea of creating a DNA bank of different species is a great idea in many regards, not only that we could recreate them later, but also so we can study and better understand their traits and characteristics. Cloning is a different issue though. The thing with cloning is that it's basically copying. Now there's nothing really wrong with copying, but there's a problem. If you ever copied a page from a textbook in a copy machine, odds are you only got the page you copied and not the whole book. This is because what you copy isn't a completely accurate representation of the object that you're copying. Remember Dolly? She was a cloned sheep, but she wasn't a good sheep. She was sick, her brain didn't work like a normal sheeps', and she died much sooner than she should have. It was a great experiment, and scientifically, a milestone, but then we reach the ethical territory. Even if the cloning is going to create more of a dwindling species, they wouldn't be the "good" specimens of that species we would be trying to save. Imagine if we cloned a human. From all gathered evidence so far, we would get a human, but it would be severely mentally disabled. Many people would protest this, because a prevalent opinion is that it's "wrong" to create something like that that will be incomplete. There are parents who get abortions because tests have shown that their child will have a mental defect. Whether this is because of personal pride, inheritance issues, or pity doesn't really matter. People think that it's wrong to create someone that's basically retarded. (sorry if that offends anyone, there's no other way to put it and i'm not trying to be offensive.) Now translate that to animal rights activists. Can you see why people wouldn't want it?
 

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Aby_Z said:
Because people have issues with science.
Science has issues with people... Most of science is still theory anyway, unproven including cloning, it is still a theory in practice.
 

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KefkaCultist said:
Question: Why do you have a tab open that says "pictures of sad children"? I'm just curious.
EDIT: nevermind, I fail... quick google search turns up a web comic
Yea...

Though I was going to simply respond with this:
 

Paksenarrion

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I predict further research into cloning will lead us into accidentally Uplifting an endangered species into neo-sentience.
 

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Zodiac_A17 said:
Aby_Z said:
Because people have issues with science.
Science has issues with people... Most of science is still theory anyway, unproven including cloning, it is still a theory in practice.
Lots of things are theories. Theories, for instance, are theories. There's even theories about theories, and then meta-theories.

Lots of theories are annoying, though.
 
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Thedayrecker said:
I don't know much about science either, but won't that lead to massive amounts of inbreeding?
Wouldn't it be more like masturbating? I mean, if you do your own clone....I don't know, it's kind of a gray area.
 

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Cloning would result in a reduced gene pool, and several generations down the line we'd have severe genetic abnormalities due to probable inbreeding.

We'd essentially get imperfect shadows of those animals, shadows who might never go back to their natural state.

Cloning food animals doesn't have that problem (just a whole host of other ethical issues).
 

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If we could somehow pull that kinda money out of our ass, then there's still the gene pool problem. We can't just clone the same tiger over and over again. We'd have doomed them further. I'm no scientist, but there is something like clones can only live for two years top. Something like there genes dissolving or something.
 

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pyrosaw said:
If we could somehow pull that kinda money out of our ass, then there's still the gene pool problem. We can't just clone the same tiger over and over again. We'd have doomed them further. I'm no scientist, but there is something like clones can only live for two years top. Something like there genes dissolving or something.
This, as has been mentioned quite often so foe, as well as to establish the mechanics needed for cloning of the different endangered species, you would need a model domestic species to make sure that your theory works with minimum side effects and an animal species similar to the endangered species to be able to be used as a surrogate species so that you could produce a sizable number of offspring & have a chance of bringing tat particular species to a secure population level.

This is, of course assuming that you are intent on cloning on cloning an endangered mammal, it may be easier to clone or use assisted reproduction methods on species with external fertilization like frogs. I may be able to let you know in a few months. However, there is, as far as i know, no known method of cloning or assisted reproduction for bird species.
 

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I admittedly haven't spent much time pondering environmental ethics (yet) - but it seems to me that we are only responsible for other species insofar as we can potentially affect their existence. So ultimately it would be a better strategy to minimize the impact of our effects on the environment, and then afterward take responsibility for the ways we do affect it. Otherwise, you're attacking the symptom, not the underlying problem.

Also, if you extend ethics to other species, you sort of have to treat other creatures as you would your fellow human beings. So, I'll ask you; if aliens came in and wiped out all of humanity, except for you and maybe one member of the opposite sex - would it make things better for them to replace them with a million clones of you and the other person, forcing them all to mate? I'd say no.
 

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Money and the fact cloning can go horribly wrong. Cloned dogs have been born with pink fur, as far as I know. Also, obviously, an animal can't reproduce with its clone, so really you're only helping for exactly one generation. It's just all-around easier to breed them.
 

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zega frega omega said:
Money and the fact cloning can go horribly wrong. Cloned dogs have been born with pink fur, as far as I know. Also, obviously, an animal can't reproduce with its clone, so really you're only helping for exactly one generation. It's just all-around easier to breed them.
This. It would mean massive inbreed to let cloned animals reproduce, that leads to terrible deaths of the offspring. A cloned animal will also be as old as the individual it is cloned from when it's born so we can't keep it going that way either. Cloning wont take away the need for living individuals of the species.

It can't be done.
 

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Blue_vision said:
Skorpyo said:
It wouldn't work.

Last I heard, clones have a low chance of having any reproductive ability and die quickly.
This. And you'd need to get samples from tonnes of different individuals, enough to ensure genetic variation in the herd. They'd also have to have real parents to teach them to survive in the wild, so if a species is so sparse that regular reproduction isn't enough, then cloning probably won't work either.

And on top of that, it doesn't even solve the underlying problem of humans hunting/fucking up creature's habitats, so we'd just have to clone them again 50 years down the road.


My question is this: Okay, but seriously... why can't we just learn to get along with nature?
Because nature sucks, wants to murder you, and is unwilling to compromise. Oh and you forgot that cloning is extrememly expensive in your explanation.
 

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Because Cloning is hard, expensive and [relatively speaking] unreliable. See also: Manned Space Exploration
 

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Skorpyo said:
It wouldn't work.

Last I heard, clones have a low chance of having any reproductive ability and die quickly.
It is because their DNA is broken down to a level equivalent to an animal that has lived for however long the sample was taken from. So unless you are getting your samples from a newborn their risk of cancer and other genetic issues skyrockets.


Though test tube babies using reproductive material from living animals will hopefully be available in the next few years.