Okay so... Voldemort wins, what next?

[Griffolion]

Hi everyone, I won't claim to know much about the HP universe but I have a question for you Potter fans. SHOULD Voldemort had won the big battle at the end, what was next for him? Was he going to invade earth or something?

Thinking on that rhetoric, wouldn't it be silly to do so? I get he's all magical, but I'm pretty sure that .50 Calibre Bullet > Wand.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

I always think those evil guys trying to achieve infinite power would get really bored when they actually get it.

The thrill is in the chase, and all that.

He'd probably just get really bored and spend his time looking at My Little Ponies on 4chan.

 

[brunothepig]

Well, he was invincible. A bullet wouldn't harm him, the only reason he was weakened was because he was in the rather unfortunate circumstance of having the ultimate killing spell rebounded on him. Plus, magic plays havoc with technology, which is why a lot of pure blood wizarding families have little to no knowledge of technology, since they typically live in wizarding settlements, where so much magic permeates the area that nothing would work. And, there's many magical defensive spells. As I said, ultimate killing spell, he couldn't have defended himself from that. But a simple bullet, well there's almost certainly a permanent enchantment to stop something as small as a bullet. Plus he can apparate, so anything bigger, such as a rocket or even missile once you got desperate, he could escape in an instant.

Oh, and last time he was in power he didn't simply declare war on muggles. He never came forward, to the muggle world at least. He worked behind the scenes, similar to them destroying the bridge on his return to power, or when people assumed there was freak weather patterns such as tornados, when it was in fact the work of death eaters. Of course, they were just having fun then, it wasn't really a tactical move or anything. Since his overall goal was to rule over muggles, but he was always caught up in fighting the wizard "rebels" he might have eventually revealed himself, but only after most world leaders and important figures were under his control.

 

[badgersprite]

This reminds me of a certain scene from Yugioh: The Abridged Series.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL5E70NLqZ4#t=22m38s

It's like, shit, what does destroying everything actually accomplish?

 

[Hamish Durie]

personnaly i think all evil villans should be asked a final surprise question before receiving their degree in evil
-what do you plan to do after you have world domination? etc

 

[Thaluikhain]

Well, he was invincible. A bullet wouldn't harm him, the only reason he was weakened was because he was in the rather unfortunate circumstance of having the ultimate killing spell rebounded on him. Plus, magic plays havoc with technology, which is why a lot of pure blood wizarding families have little to no knowledge of technology, since they typically live in wizarding settlements, where so much magic permeates the area that nothing would work. And, there's many magical defensive spells. As I said, ultimate killing spell, he couldn't have defended himself from that. But a simple bullet, well there's almost certainly a permanent enchantment to stop something as small as a bullet. Plus he can apparate, so anything bigger, such as a rocket or even missile once you got desperate, he could escape in an instant.

Not exactly. He wasn't invincible, as such, he could die like anything else, it's just the Horcruxes brought him back while he had some left.

Magic mucks with electricity, a computerised sniper scope wouldn't work, a rifle with a telescopic sight would work fine. The wizards don't do anything with muggle tech...cause. Rowling herself said an armed muggle would have an advantage over a wizard.

Also, Voldemort despises muggles, and would refuse to believe they could hurt him.

But...it's not supposed to be examined so closely, it makes no pretense of making too much sense.

 

[brunothepig]

Well, he was invincible. A bullet wouldn't harm him, the only reason he was weakened was because he was in the rather unfortunate circumstance of having the ultimate killing spell rebounded on him. Plus, magic plays havoc with technology, which is why a lot of pure blood wizarding families have little to no knowledge of technology, since they typically live in wizarding settlements, where so much magic permeates the area that nothing would work. And, there's many magical defensive spells. As I said, ultimate killing spell, he couldn't have defended himself from that. But a simple bullet, well there's almost certainly a permanent enchantment to stop something as small as a bullet. Plus he can apparate, so anything bigger, such as a rocket or even missile once you got desperate, he could escape in an instant.

Not exactly. He wasn't invincible, as such, he could die like anything else, it's just the Horcruxes brought him back while he had some left.

Magic mucks with electricity, a computerised sniper scope wouldn't work, a rifle with a telescopic sight would work fine. The wizards don't do anything with muggle tech...cause. Rowling herself said an armed muggle would have an advantage over a wizard.

Also, Voldemort despises muggles, and would refuse to believe they could hurt him.

But...it's not supposed to be examined so closely, it makes no pretense of making too much sense.

What exactly a horcrux does is never really explained... Can they not die? Do they die, then come back? The horcruxes themselves seem unaffected by the death of the body, since that remaining bit of soul is the last one you can destroy. Although you're probably right, most guns would be unaffected. I always forget guns are relatively simple mechanisms. I actually find it hard to believe an armed muggle would have the advantage. Probably over a typical wizard, but the likes of Dumbledore or Voldemort? Those guys could tear down buildings, conjure defenses in a second etc.

And while Voldemort is a proud son of a *****, I reckon he'd take some precautions. The guy split his soul seven fucking times, and as I said, his entire rise to power he never revealed himself to muggles. I would say if he declared all out war, he'd get destroyed. If he continued his behind the scenes strategy, I don't see us winning.

 

[Nachtmahr]

Don't you read facfiction? Voldemort, who is actually a handsome man with red eyes (the no nose thing was just a disguise to fend off hordes of women), will marry Harry, whom he always loved. Trying to kill Harry was just his way of getting attention.

Anyway, Harry Potter will become Voldemort's Queen, and bear him many red-eyed children.

 

[Thaluikhain]

What exactly a horcrux does is never really explained... Can they not die? Do they die, then come back? The horcruxes themselves seem unaffected by the death of the body, since that remaining bit of soul is the last one you can destroy.

Don't they just store bits of you for extra lives? So, you kill Voldemort, he uses up a horcrux, you have to kill him again and again till he uses them up. 7 bullets instead of just one.

I actually find it hard to believe an armed muggle would have the advantage. Probably over a typical wizard, but the likes of Dumbledore or Voldemort? Those guys could tear down buildings, conjure defenses in a second etc.

Dunno...most spells seem to be slow enough to easily track by eye, giving the target time to dodge or counter. Not so much with bullets, but then that's just my take on it.

And while Voldemort is a proud son of a *****, I reckon he'd take some precautions. The guy split his soul seven fucking times, and as I said, his entire rise to power he never revealed himself to muggles. I would say if he declared all out war, he'd get destroyed. If he continued his behind the scenes strategy, I don't see us winning.

I thought he stayed behind the scenes so much because he didn't really care about the muggles. But, as for taking precautions, a big part of his character (one that I liked), was that magic he didn't like, he convinced himself was useless. He didn't defend himself against house elves, despite him knowing they were around, because he saw them as lesser creatures. Likewise the power of love stuff (which I don't blame him for...blech).

 

[Trippy Turtle]

Well I always wanted to be a death eater. Sadly I don't think he likes us muggles.

 

[Jordi]

I don't really think we're meant to question it too much. Voldemort is basically evil incarnate.

Having said that, I think he's after power and correcting the "wrongs" in the world. He would probably kill all mudbloods, and wants to establish himself as the indisputably most powerful wizard in the world, forever. And maybe he would eventually want all muggles to take their rightful place the ground that the master race of wizards walks on.
But once he did that, I don't know. I don't really remember reading that much about his desires or things that he would derive joy from. There would probably always be some kind of opposition though, so I guess he could stay busy at least once in a while.

As an aside: I find the notion that an armed muggle has the advantage over a wizard baffling. Even if Rowling herself said so. A wand is practically a gun anyway. A gun might be ever so slightly faster, but the wizard is much more versatile. I can see the muggle having a chance, but not more than 50%. And against a wizard like Voldemort, who is probably prepared for that shit at all times with protective enchantments etc., I don't think muggles would stand a chance at all.

 

[Jordi]

What exactly a horcrux does is never really explained... Can they not die? Do they die, then come back? The horcruxes themselves seem unaffected by the death of the body, since that remaining bit of soul is the last one you can destroy.

Don't they just store bits of you for extra lives? So, you kill Voldemort, he uses up a horcrux, you have to kill him again and again till he uses them up. 7 bullets instead of just one.

I think the first part is right. And technically you'd need 7 bullets, but I don't think you can do it all at once, because it seems that he won't instantly get up again, but his soul would first have to go out and get the horcrux or something. So basically that means Voldemort gets 7 chances to kill you, if he is stupid enough to come back and not make extra horcruxes after he lost some. I'm not really sure though.

I actually find it hard to believe an armed muggle would have the advantage. Probably over a typical wizard, but the likes of Dumbledore or Voldemort? Those guys could tear down buildings, conjure defenses in a second etc.

Dunno...most spells seem to be slow enough to easily track by eye, giving the target time to dodge or counter. Not so much with bullets, but then that's just my take on it.

I'm not sure if that is actually in the books, or just to make the movies look better. But even if it's true that they're slow, I always imagined that these things would be cast on an object (or person), rather than in a certain direction. That would make them basically undodgeable. I agree that bullets are also undodgeable, but it is actually not that easy to hit your target with a gun. Furthermore, a wizard could conjure up some sort of shield that would just deflect bullets.

The only way I can see a muggle standing a chance is if he would really catch the wizard off-guard. And with Voldemort, I think that would be really hard. Muggles can't really get to him when he's in the wizarding world (and he can probably fairly easily protect his home), and when he goes out into theirs he is the aggressor and has the ability to prepare and the element of surprise. I mean, he could just Apparate in the middle of an army compound, shout "accio guns" and everybody would be screwed before they could even react.

And while Voldemort is a proud son of a *****, I reckon he'd take some precautions. The guy split his soul seven fucking times, and as I said, his entire rise to power he never revealed himself to muggles. I would say if he declared all out war, he'd get destroyed. If he continued his behind the scenes strategy, I don't see us winning.

I thought he stayed behind the scenes so much because he didn't really care about the muggles. But, as for taking precautions, a big part of his character (one that I liked), was that magic he didn't like, he convinced himself was useless. He didn't defend himself against house elves, despite him knowing they were around, because he saw them as lesser creatures. Likewise the power of love stuff (which I don't blame him for...blech).

I don't really remember that (except for the love stuff). But on the other hand, it is very often the case in stories that hubris is the downfall of the major villain.

 

[brunothepig]

What exactly a horcrux does is never really explained... Can they not die? Do they die, then come back? The horcruxes themselves seem unaffected by the death of the body, since that remaining bit of soul is the last one you can destroy.

Don't they just store bits of you for extra lives? So, you kill Voldemort, he uses up a horcrux, you have to kill him again and again till he uses them up. 7 bullets instead of just one.

See that's really the only thing we know isn't true, because when he was killed all the horcruxes still survived. Of course, maybe that was because he had seven, which he decided on because it's the number of magic, and was totally unprecedented.

I actually find it hard to believe an armed muggle would have the advantage. Probably over a typical wizard, but the likes of Dumbledore or Voldemort? Those guys could tear down buildings, conjure defenses in a second etc.

Dunno...most spells seem to be slow enough to easily track by eye, giving the target time to dodge or counter. Not so much with bullets, but then that's just my take on it.

Again, depends on the wizard. Unprepared, a wizard would be screwed. But with some preparation, they could walk into a battlefield, and the more powerful wizards can cast spells in a second, cause massive devastation with the right spell choice.

And while Voldemort is a proud son of a *****, I reckon he'd take some precautions. The guy split his soul seven fucking times, and as I said, his entire rise to power he never revealed himself to muggles. I would say if he declared all out war, he'd get destroyed. If he continued his behind the scenes strategy, I don't see us winning.

I thought he stayed behind the scenes so much because he didn't really care about the muggles. But, as for taking precautions, a big part of his character (one that I liked), was that magic he didn't like, he convinced himself was useless. He didn't defend himself against house elves, despite him knowing they were around, because he saw them as lesser creatures. Likewise the power of love stuff (which I don't blame him for...blech).

Well he hates them. Not sure if his end goal was ruling them or killing them. I suppose that would solve his half-blood hangup he has. But yeah, the question is would he see the need to defend himself? He certainly has no respect for muggles, but would he have respect for what our technology can do?

I don't know, I do still feel that a cautious force of Death Eaters and Voldemort could take our world, but really his best strategy is to first infiltrate every level of our government, then go on a rampage. Isolated resistance is a lot easier to deal with. I do know one thing. I'm going to re-read the Harry Potter series once I finish my current book.

 

[Exterminas]

You are probably asking too much of Rowling's writing skills if you want something as complex as a motivation.

While we are busy asking stupid questions:

Why exactly is Harry considered a hero? He doesn't achieve anything for himself. There is always someone to help him, some magic loophole that fixes stuff, or someone who dies for him.

The actual Hero in he Harry Potter movies is Snape. Possibly Voldemort himself.

 

[Secret world leader (shhh)]

This is something that took me out of the last film a bit. Exactly what does voldermort want? Why should we be rooting for Harry? If his motivation was explained in the first film did the director really expect us to cast our minds back 10 years in search of a minor plot detail?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Don't they just store bits of you for extra lives? So, you kill Voldemort, he uses up a horcrux, you have to kill him again and again till he uses them up. 7 bullets instead of just one.

See that's really the only thing we know isn't true, because when he was killed all the horcruxes still survived. Of course, maybe that was because he had seven, which he decided on because it's the number of magic, and was totally unprecedented.[/quote]

Hmmm, that's true, you'd have thought one would have been used up...dunno then.

I'm not sure if that is actually in the books, or just to make the movies look better. But even if it's true that they're slow, I always imagined that these things would be cast on an object (or person), rather than in a certain direction. That would make them basically undodgeable. I agree that bullets are also undodgeable, but it is actually not that easy to hit your target with a gun. Furthermore, a wizard could conjure up some sort of shield that would just deflect bullets.

The books mention people ducking spells, or spells just missing, and people watching them seeing bits of light flash from the wand to the target.

I'd have thought that if a wizard could create a bulletproof shield, they'd be protected against all supernatural but not magic using creatures the same way. Centaurs firing arrows, for example, wouldn't have frightened anyone, a troll or giant has nothing more than brute force, etc.

I don't really remember that (except for the love stuff). But on the other hand, it is very often the case in stories that hubris is the downfall of the major villain.

It was more than just that. The Horcruxes being what and where they were...that was boring old bad guy hubris, and I wish people would stop writing that.

Seeing certain magic/creatures as lesser was part of his not-very-subtle Nazi ideology, though, which is the basis of his character. That's much stronger and much more believable, IMHO.

 

[NooNameLeft]

What exactly a horcrux does is never really explained... Can they not die? Do they die, then come back? The horcruxes themselves seem unaffected by the death of the body, since that remaining bit of soul is the last one you can destroy.

Don't they just store bits of you for extra lives? So, you kill Voldemort, he uses up a horcrux, you have to kill him again and again till he uses them up. 7 bullets instead of just one.

Not exactly.
When a normal person dies his soul "move on" and there is no way to get it back. but when a person with a horcrux dies his soul stay in the world and can be placed inside a new body when certain circumstances are met.
so basically all voldemort need is to have at least one horcrux, a few loyel wizards and he can be resurrected every time he dies.
Still if Voldemort did killed Harry he would have no more reasons to fear death so I'm not sure what motive he will have to continue living...

edit:

The actual Hero in he Harry Potter movies is Snape. Possibly Voldemort himself.

Snape I understand but Voldemort?

 

[Thaluikhain]

Not exactly.
When a normal person dies his soul "move on" and there is no way to get it back. but when a person with a horcrux dies his soul stay in the world and can be placed inside a new body when certain circumstances are met.
so basically all voldemort need is to have at least one horcrux, a few loyel wizards and he can be resurrected every time he dies.
Still if Voldemort did killed Harry he would have no more reasons to fear death so I'm not sure what motive he will have to continue living...

So, when he dies, the soul goes into the Horcrux temporarily, or a bit is already there, and only the part still in the body gets killed?

And why would Harry being dead stop Voldermort being afraid of death?

 

[Griffolion]

I'm glad I'm not the only one asking this question. Great Voldy, you're the emperor, what now?

 

[NooNameLeft]

Not exactly.
When a normal person dies his soul "move on" and there is no way to get it back. but when a person with a horcrux dies his soul stay in the world and can be placed inside a new body when certain circumstances are met.
so basically all voldemort need is to have at least one horcrux, a few loyel wizards and he can be resurrected every time he dies.
Still if Voldemort did killed Harry he would have no more reasons to fear death so I'm not sure what motive he will have to continue living...

So, when he dies, the soul goes into the Horcrux temporarily, or a bit is already there, and only the part still in the body gets killed?

And why would Harry being dead stop Voldermort being afraid of death?

Thats the wierd part, it seems like neither the bit in the body or the bit in the Horcrux get killed. The Horcrux ability is to allow the soul (that was inside the body) to stay in the world after the body dies in the form of a ghost that can posses living creatures.

As for the second question, Thats because of the prophecy ("and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives...").