Okay, what happened to the escapist forums while I was away.
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DeanCain said:
But yeah, it's pretty much down to the attitude of "I don't like your opinion, so kindly do one m80 boi." Everyone should just chillax and play a long ass game of Civ 5. Take that anger out on Shaka, the two faced bastard.
But yeah, people getting banned (fairly, for the most part) mixed with loss of a lot of good content hasn't really been adequately replaced which, in turn, means no new people coming has let to a lot of familiarity. And familiarity breeds contempt, at least in certain parts of the site.
Me? I'm just here for
PsychicTaco115 said:
Move along people! Nothing to see here!
We thank the glory of Satan for this as far as I remember, but I lost my handbook back in the 00s during a game of Shadowrun involving an entirely Troll runner team...
Ahhh, so you are the one eating the server hamsters! No wonder @Kross is having issues with cleaning up the bloodstains!Cold Shiny said:
direkiller said:
No he's not. As much as I wanted to reach through the screen and kick his teeth in, MovieBob brought an incredible amount of talent to his works. I found myself enjoying almost everything he put out, even when I didn't agree with him or thought he was being an asshole.Zontar said:
Cinemarter... Just eh. I find him informative. Nothing more or less and certainly not entertaining.
Awh... Yeah, I miss those guys. And the Micheals, and all the other various weird and wonderful things we got from the escapist film festivals.Scow2 said:
Some of those didn't last very long, but the variety was interesting.
OT: Eh. This forum and hostility goes in cycles from my experience. The present one has seemed a little more toxic, and lasting a little longer than most, but this will fade eventually, and then a new shitstorm will arise, and we'll be asking ourselves the same old questions.
Now, I'm terrible at this point for my 'post and run' attitude, which results unintentionally from a form of paranoia. (I often don't even check replies). But then I have such an exceptionally low tolerance for hostility these days it's all I can do to keep myself sane.
Of course, if you want to avoid hostilities, find a user-group. Or head into the Roleplay or Forum games area.
People there are generally too busy being silly to be hostile.
Except maybe for the odd personal grudge or issue...
But that's not general hostility, that tends to be personal problems specifically between two people.
You know. Like in life.
Ever had friends without once getting into an argument about anything?
Awkward sexual tension perhaps?
Yeah, that kind of thing happens around here just as it does anywhere else in life, online, or IRL...
But that's an entirely different and far less frustrating kind of problem.
You can even make fun of the mods without it being a problem if you just get into the right kind of groove, and have a decent enough personal relation with them.
It's funny what you'll tolerate from people who are sort of friends, rather than just random people.
Of course, if you're insulting your friends, everyone involved probably knows it's a joke.
And, of course, if it does get out of hand, you can, you know. Apologise.
Because that actually works amongst friends.
The same can't be said of the random hostility you can run into on the forums. But is it worth getting to know people more intimately? Absolutely.
Making some actual friends makes the odd bit of hostility around these parts seem a lot more tolerable.
If nothing else, it gives you someone to whine about it to... XD
There's numerous shitstorms going on at all times. There's 4 basic types of participants in these shitstorms. The first and second types are the 'pro x' and 'anti x'. The third are the 'confusers', who really don't have a clue what the fuck is going on, but opt to take part anyway. And lastly, there's the 'whiners', who just complain about the argument in question.
I used to be like you. But then ICold Shiny said:
You're not missing much. XD
And besides... This body I found doesn't suit me.
A kitty-AI should have an appropriate form, should it not? But wouldn't you just know it? Bodies of a suitable nature are hard to come by.
Oh well. ^_^
Think Zhukov caught it right on the head - polarization turns everyone into a dick unwilling to evolve or compromise, and without new members, yer just rehashing the same arguments with the same people. Online communities only work if you have common ground. Without that, it's all flame wars over internet politics.
Seems like everything on the net has gotten more polarized in the last five years.
Seems like everything on the net has gotten more polarized in the last five years.
I find your suggestion that GG became the way it is on this forum simply because it 'stooped' to the level of its opposition, to be an absolutely fanciful and laughable suggestion.runic knight said:
Only one side went to places like Reddit and GameFront and posted all kinds of insults and derogatory comments about Escapist mods and other users they don't like, and that side wasn't "anti-GG".
Only one side went onto KiA on Reddit and proceeded to post personal details about another Escapist user in an effort to rustle jimmies and stir shit up, and that side wasn't "anti-GG".
Only one side went to the trouble of putting together a Google Spreadsheet full of (supposed) 'evidence' of Escapist moderator impropriety and user 'favoritism' in an effort to get said users banned and said moderators fired, and that side wasn't "anti-GG".
Only one side keeps running to Archon about every little perceived injustice or because they didn't get their way on something, and that side isn't "anti-GG".
You think "anti-GG" is to blame for the way the forum is? Interesting, because "anti-GG" posters are saints compared to what they've had to put up with from the other side.
Yes. If i cannot fix people being wrong on my internet i must make sure the place where they are being wrong goes bancrupt by making the place stink so bad noone wants to be there. After all if i cant have it - noone shouldIceForce said:
The reason people went to Reddit (i dont follow GameFront so i dont know that one) is because ironically one cannot discuss things here and they didnt want to break the rules. As it turns out, they were right more than once and it was the rules here preventing the change. interesting isnt it?IceForce said:
Ah, yes, the "personal details" that the user linked in his public forum profile and that "rustled so many jimmies" that i never even saw those details. apparently noone cares.
God forbid people actually do their research and gather evidence for what they are claiming. Or do you want everyone to just "listen and believe"?
I dont know who or when does what to Archon but when i saw his posts he seemed quite pissed about the "anti-GG" side instead.
Your last statement is so hilariuos it doesnt even warrant an answer.
Nice of you to try to champion your cause and all, especially with embellishment and spin like that, but I really don't think charging to the defense of the crap I was talking about that goes on in this forum by way slinging mud at "the other guys" is really showcasing anything but my point in the end. "Fucking saints" or not, people responded and reacted to the way the forums were managed and moderated in order to remain on them, and the driving force of such adaption relating to gamergate was not the supporters of it, but a smaller group of those openly and hostilely opposed to it. Considering most supporters early on remained in the megathreads, and were harassed by people who wanted gamergate gone by way of flame baiting posts, trolling ,insinuations and demonizing, the supporters of gamergate reacting to that after getting strikes makes sense. That the people instigating conflict and borderline trolling in those threads were not disciplined much for it would certainly shape people's reactions in the forums, and their views of moderation, rules and staff when they all seemed applied unequally. And no, I do not care to hear what your thoughts about the reality of that situation at the time was, this thread is not the place to try to argue that out, just accept that was a generally perceived view, since it can be demonstrated it was for a number of supporters of gamergate, and understand my post was paying heed to the fact that such perception existed and influenced things as well.IceForce said:
And that was all before it was revealed a mod was actually abusing their power too. Still, the forum rules are what they are, and discussion of moderation decisions and such are not really allowed. So things moving off site sort of expected. Same applies for reaching out to staff and even Archon when staff was still shuffling people. Your presentation of these things as something damning without the context they occurred or that caused them is not intellectually honest.
Every example you've listed is either the result of issues within the forums themselves that were taken advantage of and never fixed (the moderation issue leading to the attempts to contact management, the holding discussions off-site since this site forbids it, the insults towards mods which turned out a suspected mod actually was abusing their position), which are results of issues I referred to in my post, or they are inflated irrelevant trolling of an individual(the "personal details" bit about things from their own profile)you seem to want to associate with the entirety of people instead of the single person who did it.
So congrats, your mad dash to defend your honor demonstrates all to well a major part of the underlying issue. That of even acknowledging or calling out the issues with the forum I raised, referring no one specifically, and actually intending to concentrate more on the start of the change back in the megathreads where the behavior was being shaped, is spun in such a way to try to shame those who mention the issue as one to fix, and in conjunction with attempt to guilt by association no less.
I never said gamergate supporters were guiltless, merely they were reacting to the situation. That such a simple claim itself results in... this sort of impassioned attack is rather telling though. Between this, the "toxic" thread, and the countless people publicly calling out what has happened with the forums, I would say this sort of offensive defense really just proves the overall complaints validated. The community is worse now than it once was, many people are unhappy with it, and a small group of dedicated opposers to gamergate seem to be at the center of the negative changes in the community time and again. But hell, I am only repeating myself from what I saw last year, as I can likely go dig up and prove back from the "improve the escapist" thread from around that time when I was complaining then about how the rules allow people to abuse them to use bans to "win" arguments and how that was training people to be hostile and passive-aggressive in return.
It is almost like the issue never was solved and only made things worse. Like the issue of rules being weaponized to get people banned while allowing instigating and passive aggression is something that is bad for a community meant to discuss things, a complaint I've been repeating time and again.
Your rebuttal to my claims that a group of people, one I didn't even specify participants in and that is a largely already banned group, played the rules against other users and spurred a change in the community behavior in retort, was to leap to the attack and try to go for the throat with shaming, blaming and personal attacks via guilt by association with claims disingenuously presented, or grossly inflated.
Honestly, I'd say we are done here. Nothing more needs to be said from either of us. Let these replies speak for themselves. Be confident in your "sainthood".
We moved all the furniture around and glued the new-comers to the ceiling just to f*ck with you, deal with it. 
No they aren't. The saints of this board are the people who have the patience to not wade into silly arguments. But the more passionate people test that patience.IceForce said:
On the plus side, there is some self-indulgent amusement to be had from being able to predict exactly what the same old posters will say in every thread; I'm almost tempted to make up one of those meme bingo sheets and check off the identical posts in different but identical thread arguments.LostGryphon said:
This man. Listen to him.LostGryphon said:
You know, sometimes I can't help but feel that people want to be offended and angry, so they actively look for stuff or warp the words of others to something that'll grind their gears.
I think the problem with the whole "debate that shall not be named"[footnote]If you stand in front of a mirror and say its name five times, it'll come to your house[/footnote] is that everyone on both sides see themselves as heroes. Anybody who disagrees is a villain. And harrassment and unprofessionalism is OK as long as it happens to the enemy.
And because of this, any thread that brings it up (Either relevantly or out of the blue) is destined to turn to shit. Because nobody will agree and everything will turn into another Internet fight.
That's what I think, at least. *sneaks back to the Forum Games*
