On Bioware's upcoming release: DLC Effect 3

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RJ 17

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I'm certain many of you have noticed all the articles floating around here regarding Mass Effect 3 and the "Buy the artbook and get DLC!" "Buy the action figures and get DLC!" "Buy the ME-brand condoms and get DLC!"

Not to mention the Pre-Order DLC and the Collectors Edition DLC.

Does a game coming out REALLY need this much DLC? Most of which are things that don't even count as real DLC. Pre-Order and Collectors Edition get a pass in that they're supposed to be "rewards" for either pre-ordering or getting the CE. But what about the rest? Can I get some DLC with my Lucky Charms, please? I mean they're just giving away guns and mods and outfits for the characters...are these not things that could just have easily been in the game when it was released?

I get it, something cool like the Black Hole cannon from ME 2 was a worthy "reward DLC" for those who pre-ordered the game. But one of the major things that I have against the company Blizzard is how many tie-ins they have with World of Warcraft in their non-WoW stuff. Specifically: they created a trading card game based off the MMO and declared, as Satan in a Penny-Arcade comic put it: "An lo, let the rarest and most expensive of these cards contain special codes for in-game content!" And what was said content? The Sword of A Thousand Truths? Nope. It's a little panda that follows you around. Or a giant acme-styled rocket for your flying mouth.

My overall point is that the vast majority of the DLC that I've heard about before ME 3 has even been released all sound a lot less like genuine DLC and a lot more like "Yeah, I got this, this, and this" DLC. I've heard that the weapon system in the game is going to be a cross between ME 1 and 2...VASTLY limited selection, like in 2, but with the ability to mod and upgrade each individual weapon, like in 1. Annnnnnnnd yet here they are saying that they're going to reward players for buying all their extra crap with DLC including *gasp* MOAR WITCHEZ GUNS! This begs the question "Why didn't you just put all these extra guns in the original game?

It'd be a different story if indeed each DLC gun was utterly unique. Not just "This SMG has incredible accuracy and fire-rate, much better than the ones in the standard game." Again, I go back to the Black Hole cannon from ME 2. That weapon was unique...it shot out frickin' black holes! I can only imagine that the vast majority of the DLC weapons coming out with all the extra crap are just gonna be "Assault Rifle with tweeked stats" and such.

It's about as frustrating as Capcom releasing Marvels vs Capcom 3...then 2 weeks later giving out Jill Valentine and that tentacle demon as DLC. Why the hell weren't they in the game on release? And for that matter, they insulted you further by saying "Yeah, we're just gonna re-release the game in another 5 months with even moar witchez characters and at a cheaper price" like, a week after the game itself was released...prompting everyone who had been looking forward to that game and bought it to just stare at their game case and go "ffffffffffffffffffffffuck."

To quote Yogurt from Spaceballs: "Merchandising! Merchandising! Where the REAL money from the movie is made!" Obviously this is a topic about games, but hopefully you get where I'm coming from with that.

Short Version: I'm getting tired of games coming out with promises of DLC that should have been implemented into the original game to begin with.
 

putowtin

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If DLC offered with different pre-orders (IE ordering it from GAME or Amazon or whoever) is just a different coloured armour or gun or something for the Multiplayer, then fine (Which is basically what there doing with this)

If DLC is an integral part of the game, a missing chapter, then that sucks (which is not what there doing with this)
 

RJ 17

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putowtin said:
If DLC offered with different pre-orders (IE ordering it from GAME or Amazon or whoever) is just a different coloured armour or gun or something for the Multiplayer, then fine (Which is basically what there doing with this)

If DLC is an integral part of the game, a missing chapter, then that sucks (which is not what there doing with this)
Actually the collectors edition (and I think one or two other things) are boasting "A Bonus Mission"
 

putowtin

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you are quite right (Just checked my pre-order)
Mass Effect 3 N7 Collectors Edition Contains:
*Exclusive Collectible Tin featuring male and female Shephard
*Exclusive Hardcover Art Book
*Exclusive N7 Fabric Patch
*Exclusive 4x6 Lithograph
*Exclusive Extended Soundtrack
*Dark Horse Comic Book
*Additional Downloadable Mission and Character
*Bonus Avatars and More
Exclusive Bonus In-Game Packs
*Exclusive Squad Appearance pack
*Robotic Dog
Exclusive N7 Arsenal Pack
*N7 SMG
*N7 Shotgun
*N7 Sniper Rifle
*N7 Pistol

but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
 

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Biowares new nickel and diming policy, or is it EA's? Either way I'm through with Bioware. I have no doubt they would of ended up like this even if EA didn't consume them, but EA certainly helped speed things up a bit.
 

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putowtin said:
you are quite right (Just checked my pre-order)
Mass Effect 3 N7 Collectors Edition Contains:
*Exclusive Collectible Tin featuring male and female Shephard
*Exclusive Hardcover Art Book
*Exclusive N7 Fabric Patch
*Exclusive 4x6 Lithograph
*Exclusive Extended Soundtrack
*Dark Horse Comic Book
*Additional Downloadable Mission and Character
*Bonus Avatars and More
Exclusive Bonus In-Game Packs
*Exclusive Squad Appearance pack
*Robotic Dog
Exclusive N7 Arsenal Pack
*N7 SMG
*N7 Shotgun
*N7 Sniper Rifle
*N7 Pistol

but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
Zaeed was awesome tho.
 

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I am with you 100% . But if people keep buying into this nonsense .Then why wouldn't they continue to do it . I mean you don't kill you cash cow and eat it for dinner when it still brings you cash . I for one will buy the game used at 54$ soley out of spite . I won't even wait till it's 20$ . Hell i might even reserve the first used copy to go into game stoP out of principle . GamestoP may be evil , but it is the lesser of two evils. And i will supporte the lesser evil , if it means getting rid of the greater.
 

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Its starting to be a bit annoying with the amount of dlcs that exist before the game is even out -.-

And it's odd that in Sweden the collector edition cost 999kr[146$] for xbox 360/ps3 but for pc it cost 699kr[102$]
 

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I agree. DLC with a game is fine, but this just seems like EA whoring out the ME and Bioware brand and cutting things from the game to sell as DLC.
 

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krazykidd said:
I am with you 100% . But if people keep buying into this nonsense .Then why wouldn't they continue to do it . I mean you don't kill you cash cow and eat it for dinner when it still brings you cash . I for one will buy the game used at 54$ soley out of spite . I won't even wait till it's 20$ . Hell i might even reserve the first used copy to go into game stoP out of principle . GamestoP may be evil , but it is the lesser of two evils. And i will supporte the lesser evil , if it means getting rid of the greater.
This is a good idea, now if only more people would actually open their eyes and realize their being exploited. They need to know they can't do this, but if 98% of the gaming population continues to be willfully ignorant of these things it's only going to get waayyyy worse.
 

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Sabertooth said:
putowtin said:
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but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
Zaeed was awesome tho.
always prefered Kasumi Goto

krazykidd said:
I for one will buy the game used at 54$ soley out of spite . I won't even wait till it's 20$ . Hell i might even reserve the first used copy to go into game stoP out of principle . GamestoP may be evil , but it is the lesser of two evils. And i will supporte the lesser evil , if it means getting rid of the greater.
support a gamestore by buying a second hand game so the people who made it don't see a penny of your money?

wow, way to fight the power
 

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putowtin said:
Additional Downloadable Mission and Character
but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
I think I saw the mission title a while ago, 'The Prothean' I think... so... yeah. God damn it.

There is a considerable amount of DLC for Mass Effect 3 with it not being out yet, or even a demo released. I blame EA for this marketing crap that annoys intelligent people, but get extra money from people who don't realize they're being scammed.
 

RJ 17

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putowtin said:
Sabertooth said:
putowtin said:
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but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
Zaeed was awesome tho.
always prefered Kasumi Goto
I loved Kasumi as a character...but it was REALLY lame how they didn't adjust the "mission counter" to compensate for her. That is, if you get her and do her loyalty mission, your crew gets kidnapped immediately after you get the Reaper IFF...meaning if you want EVERYONE to live (save your whole crew and have everyone as loyal), you can't activate Legion until after you've already beaten the game where as previously you got to do 1 mission, specifically Legion's loyalty mission, before your crew gets kidnapped. And while picking up Kasumi is actually optional even after you download her, you pick up Zaeed immediately upon landing on Omega (personally I'd much rather have Kasumi and Legion rather than Zaeed and Legion).

Buuuuut that brings up the point that Legion got far too little screen time as it is...which is why if he isn't in your party at the start of the game (or very near the beginning) of ME 3, there will be much nerd-rage coming from my apartment.
 

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RJ 17 said:
putowtin said:
Sabertooth said:
putowtin said:
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but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
Zaeed was awesome tho.
always prefered Kasumi Goto
I loved Kasumi as a character...but it was REALLY lame how they didn't adjust the "mission counter" to compensate for her. That is, if you get her and do her loyalty mission, your crew gets kidnapped immediately after you get the Reaper IFF...meaning if you want EVERYONE to live (save your whole crew and have everyone as loyal), you can't activate Legion until after you've already beaten the game where as previously you got to do 1 mission, specifically Legion's loyalty mission, before your crew gets kidnapped. And while picking up Kasumi is actually optional even after you download her, you pick up Zaeed immediately upon landing on Omega (personally I'd much rather have Kasumi and Legion rather than Zaeed and Legion).

Buuuuut that brings up the point that Legion got far too little screen time as it is...which is why if he isn't in your party at the start of the game (or very near the beginning) of ME 3, there will be much nerd-rage coming from my apartment.
You just pointed out the worst plothole in ME 2 at least to me. The whole "Joker is left alone to fend for himself".
 

RJ 17

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Sabertooth said:
RJ 17 said:
putowtin said:
Sabertooth said:
putowtin said:
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but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
Zaeed was awesome tho.
always prefered Kasumi Goto
I loved Kasumi as a character...but it was REALLY lame how they didn't adjust the "mission counter" to compensate for her. That is, if you get her and do her loyalty mission, your crew gets kidnapped immediately after you get the Reaper IFF...meaning if you want EVERYONE to live (save your whole crew and have everyone as loyal), you can't activate Legion until after you've already beaten the game where as previously you got to do 1 mission, specifically Legion's loyalty mission, before your crew gets kidnapped. And while picking up Kasumi is actually optional even after you download her, you pick up Zaeed immediately upon landing on Omega (personally I'd much rather have Kasumi and Legion rather than Zaeed and Legion).

Buuuuut that brings up the point that Legion got far too little screen time as it is...which is why if he isn't in your party at the start of the game (or very near the beginning) of ME 3, there will be much nerd-rage coming from my apartment.
You just pointed out the worst plothole in ME 2 at least to me. The whole "Joker is left alone to fend for himself".
Seriously...that seemed utterly and completely forced. For 1, I didn't think it was standard practice for the entire ef'ing squad to go on a mission...let alone for the entire ef'ing squad to stuff themselves into a tiny little shuttle-craft that I just really have a hard time beliefing is suited for any long-distance trip. For that matter, why bother leaving the ship at all just becauuse your putting the IFF through some tests? Why not stay on board, hang out for a couple hours, then go kick some Collector ass? In theory you're just a couple hours away from being able to finally launch the mission that is your primary objective...no need to kill that time with an ambiguous, genaric mission that requires your entire squad, I'd want everyone on board to enjoy themselves for a bit before starting the final mission.

But that's just me. Like I said, to me it seemed really forced that your entire squad leaves the ship while testing the IFF.
 

krazykidd

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putowtin said:
Sabertooth said:
putowtin said:
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but let's be honest it'll probably be like the Zaeed mission in ME 2, optional but not essential to the story.
Zaeed was awesome tho.
always prefered Kasumi Goto

krazykidd said:
I for one will buy the game used at 54$ soley out of spite . I won't even wait till it's 20$ . Hell i might even reserve the first used copy to go into game stoP out of principle . GamestoP may be evil , but it is the lesser of two evils. And i will supporte the lesser evil , if it means getting rid of the greater.
support a gamestore by buying a second hand game so the people who made it don't see a penny of your money?

wow, way to fight the power
Was that sarcastic , because that is exacly what i meant.