incal11 said:
I told you why you're wrong then repeated the arguments you keep ignoring. If you weren't ignoring them I wouldn't be repeating myself. I realise you may (wrongly) feel the same about me. I just didn't find the words that would suit you, plus you made me loose my cool, which I agree is bad.
1. Ignoring to you means make a counter point. I'll keep that in mind.
2. Your decision in that I am wrong is merely that i disagree with you.
3. I like how the idea you might be wrong is so foreign to you despite the fact your information and research only comes from biased sources, and no actual experiences ever.
Now that's "glazing over" an argument. You may never have the stomach to go on a picket line yourself, but other people will, no matter what you think of them. As for the effect of said picket lines, it can't be predicted, but I guess making more people aware of a problem, even briefly, is a good step.
1. Not glazing as i had already explained why i didn't think people would do shit about it in my last post.
2. I also explained further in my following remark.
3. People are aware, they have been aware since they started complaining about this ten years ago. This little argument isn't new by the way.
It is you who brought up that subject, on the ground that some of my arguments wouldn't stand on the face of governments taking serious action against file sharing. Now you say yourself it won't happen ? Well, let's hope it won't.
1. You mean when i was making a joke with the other dude?
2. The government, once again, views this mess as a waste of god damn money. Tax dollars disappear with these stupid frivolous cases.
3. If anything, they will make a move that will punish both sides that insist on squabbling.
I understand your situation better than you would like, but your biseness is about material stuff, with unitary values. I'm talking about pure ideas that indeed you can package and sell in your store, but otherwise can and should be shared more freely when they are not in their packages.
1. You understand MY situation better then I would like? So your stalking me? Or are you saying you KNOW me.
2. Your not talking about pure ideas, your talking about ideas that have been set in motion and turned into physical things.
3. Once more kids. "It's easy to share what you put out no effort in creating". It's easy for you to complain that it should be shared more when you have never spent two years working on a book or writing a script. Months agonizing over a single damn painting. Thousands of hours going through strings and strings of code to be sure not a single glitch remains.
I am not a bisnessman or an artist but I took the effort to learn a few basics for my subject. Before you take that as a reason to ignore everything I said realise that a young store clerk (even counting your dad) is hardly more knowledgable on the subject than me.
Anyway, if you have greater biseness truths that you haven't told me yet, go on.
1. Hey, I have business experience AND I am a writer! I don't take it as a reason to ignore everything but your basic information you gleamed from likely biased sources doesn't mean you know more then me. Which you have said, multiple times.
2. Store clerk? My dad runs and owns his own business. Nice try but my dad spent three years teaching me how business works. We weren't "store clerks" we were "owners".
3. I like how horribly condescending you are. "Just because i know the
basics i know more then you!" Jesus and you call me egotistical. Shit man. Listen to yourself.
I don't see how I could have put it out of context, it was all pretty clear. Explain how then.
1. Because i was talking about how consumers do not have the right to demand my work. No one has the right to demand i hand over my work.
I am not just a consumer, I am a human being like you and your dad. if it's for the good of our specie it gives me all the rights I need.
1. I didn't realize MW2 was instrumental in the furthering of the species.
2. God forbid kids grow up never watching James Cameron's Avatar. They might get cancer if they don't...
They. Make. Life. Better. Still.
1. Then. Go. To. A. Fucking. Library.
2. You have heard of a library right? There are these awesome places where you can go and check out comics and books and hell they got cds and movies. Mine has an entire section devoted to movies now. And like four full bloody racks of cds ranging from classic to some pretty recent shit to.
3. Best part is it's all free. You should try supporting your local library sometime.
You can't miss what you don't know, but you are made intellectually poorer and less developed by people who keep a stranglehold on ideas. Yes a lot of ideas are frivolous, but maybe you haven't been exposed to the ones who are meaningful and fulfilling yourself, a pity.
1. Stranglehold on ideas? What the fuck are you talking about. Rather then staring narrow mindedly at what the main stream is doing why not look to the left or right where thousands of independents would kill to get you to just watch there god damn film.
2. Libraries, Webcomics, Flash games, Flash animations, indie films.
3. Seriously, go check it out.
Getting angry was my mistake. Using this as an excuse to refuse my arguments just proves my point.
1. No, i refuse your arguments because they are self entitled tripe. There are thousands upon thousands of free games, music, movies, books, and god damn libraries to get a wealth of information.
2. Your just pissed you can't get the specific ones you want.
Probably not, but I never considered myself to be one, for this anyway.
1. Funny, your brave heart speech insisted you were.
Yes it does, if it's many movies that you can't watch.
1. Not really, people lived and thrived intellectually for YEARS without movies. It's not going to kill you to not get to watch every new movie that comes out.
2. For everything else, there is the library and netflix. Seriously, is $8 a month so fucking much these days?
3. Hell even if it is you still have libraries.
Heroes and victims are not always about the most extreme things, it only suits you to limit the meanings of the words to just what you are able to understand.
1. Ahh, more condescentation.
2. Yeah, your right. Fuck the starving, billy get watch transformers. We gotta start re routing tax dollars to fix this madness.
If you can't picture you writing a book that would be in any way an addition to culture, neitheir do I.
1. More condescension. Is your goal just to belittle me into submission or something? You sound like your 16.
2. More to the point the idea that X years after my death anyone can take my work and use it for profit without even having to ask my children? Yeah, I am such a prick.
There, you mix it up with material stuff again.
1. There you go, forgetting not everything i say is a direct analogy.
2. Fine, let me spell it out for you. if i write my child a bedtime story I don;t think i should have to be forced to publish it or otherwise be a, what did you say... Self centered swine?
3. Do you want the mushy poetry I wrote my wife to?
I said in my OP that I do not download recent works, which means I pay for what I want now. Still, after a reasonable period of time, arguably more reasonable than your death + 50 years it would be a genuinely good thing for you to add your humble stone to the pile of human culture (this is an image).
1. How recent is recent, 70 years or 6 months.
2. Public domain means anyone can take my work, use it however they like, and never ask my children for permission or show them a dime of there profits.
No.
Sharing the ideas in non material forms on the internet (without the packaging you see in your store) is what you seem unable to approve.
1. No, the idea that after a certain period of time my children lose all there rights to my work is what i don't approve. A hundred years from now if anyone is going to make money off my work I want it to be my children, not some random fuck, be it a big corporation or some unimaginative little prick.
I have developped the subject with others, it seems the problems come from you thinking a potential is lost every time a download is made. This is wrong on the ground that even if a potential is lost for a particular product (and this is not even always the case) the potential for the whole market is not lost. On the contrary it increases :
http://arstechnica.com/media/news/2009/04/study-pirates-buy-tons-more-music-than-average-folks.ars
1. Oh look, your not actually reading anything I am typing. Let me quote myself.
1. I enjoy your use of the words art and culture to justify wanting free stuff. If you really were one of the honest ones you probably would have read everything i said and noticed that I am not talking about the honest people, and the only people I am annoyed by are the ones seeking sympathy or praise as though they are victims or champions.
2. I never said that it was hurting the companies. Only that i understand peoples desire to protect there investments. If you read my whole post you would know that people like the RIAA and methods such as DRM piss me off. Just because i understand them doesn't mean i approve of what they are doing. However people who scream that File sharing is the way to stop DRM, or people who act like if they couldn't play video games there life would be in shambles. Those are the people i am telling to fuck off.
Downloading games for free doesn't make you a hero. Not being able to play the latest and shiniest games as soon as they come out doesn't make you a downtrodden victim. That's the shit i was, and still am, calling out.
You can;t say you never read that, you have been quoting two parts of it over and over. Or is it just the fact you didn't take it as a challenge to how massively intelligent other people you read about are?
1. I don't care if people download shit if the year honest about what they are doing.
2. I know it doesn't hurt companies.
3. I am just sick of self entitled little shits demanding everything. We have libraries, netflix, a plethora of free and legit games, thousands of people who would PAY YOU to watch there films. Yet no, they demand they get the big name shit for free.
4. "But kagim! I only do old stuff!" Bullshit, there is TONS of old shit that is cheap as hell or flat fucking free to get. Once again, netflix, Library or you can suck it up and, i dunno, watch or play or read some indie stuff and give them a little love. There is more to life then the mainstream, and lots of it is free even though it was JUST released.
From the way you answered apparently I did insult you, and now we made some progress in our argument, it's freakishly hard with you, but it's a progress.
1. Are you seriously thinking you weren't trying to insult you? Did you think you were giving me some deep philosophical incite on my very soul? You really are egotistical.
2. Progress? Sure, i am now almost certain you are a 16 year old who has never worked a day in his life, never picked up an instrument of creation, and gets all his information for self entitled little shits who ignore all the legitimate free shit from people BEGGING for your attention because you only want to play with the shiny toys and you want to do it for free.
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