One Million Moms Want Same-Sex Archie Comic Out of Toys 'R' Us
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Funnily enough, if we abstract the story and the response from notions of "good" or "bad" all we gets is some people yelling about not liking certain material and some other people yelling at them for yelling. Every-time you respond to angry people by being angry at them, you fail to make a difference or do anything positive. Explain why you think they are wrong and stop posting smarmy comments about them or GTFO! Be better then your opponent.
I understand where they are coming from, both sides actually. The company has apparently made their moral decision in the case already. Honestly I find the idea that any place, even Riverdale, is an ideal version of the world to be the most offensive thing in this story as it tries to flatten and marginalize the world into one set of values and beliefs rather then appreciating the multiplicity of the world.
I understand where they are coming from, both sides actually. The company has apparently made their moral decision in the case already. Honestly I find the idea that any place, even Riverdale, is an ideal version of the world to be the most offensive thing in this story as it tries to flatten and marginalize the world into one set of values and beliefs rather then appreciating the multiplicity of the world.
Oh wow.Andy Chalk said:
God forbid the next generation EVER finds out that gay people EXIST. The implications alone are almost unfathomable.
*rolls eyes*
I am posting this as a seperate comment, as am not normally into arguing with a specific person but am rather face palming at Volf, so if anyone objects this can be deleted.Volf said:
It is funny dear sir, that you state your motto as; "The world is my country, all mankind are my brethern and to do good is my religion." [sic]
And, if I may be so bold, I advise a revision to that which reads, 'all mankind I agree with or don't have a particular reason to not accept or even hate, is my brethren'
...your coming off as a little creepy, you know that? I'll leave my motto as is, thanksSidiron said:
Creepy? -Chuckles- I am inclined to disagree.Volf said:
I just like to see who I am arguing with and if you post stuff on the internet, you can't insinuate weirdness when someone reads it and takes you to task on evident hypocrisy, surely?
Otherwise this whole forum idea would be rather creepy?
I agree with you on most respects, but they're control over what they're children see is limited to what is inside of their home. Because a parent going to a store, being offended by a comic that is completely kid friendly and just doesn't align with their beliefs, and then demanding the publisher take the comics back is absurd. What of the parents who do believe in the message the book is saying? What of the parents that do agree with the book's message and believe that their children SHOULD see this kind of thing? Are we simply going to let one group of parents dictate how a store runs, despite everyone else's acceptance of it as something a child can see without harm?viranimus said:
By telling the store to stop selling these books, it's true that they're just raising their children the way they think is best for them, but they're also shoving their way of parenting down every other parent's throat and forcing it on them. If they're really extremely offended by this kind of thing, they can just I don't know... not buy the book for their child?
I know this is far from being the point, but I've always wondered: Who the hell is still reading Archie? They keep making these books, and I've even heard that they still sell like hotcakes. But I have no idea what audience is buying them. Kids? Seniors? I can't imagine very many teens/young adults are into Archie at any rate.
This. The market responds to consumer pressure, nothing else. All the forum bleating does nothing to One Million Moms. If you really want to stick it to them, then go out and buy the comic in droves.Blind Sight said:
I will say, though, that the members of One Million Moms should probably learn how to give half-explanations. Imagine what they'd do if they were driving down the street and their kid asked "Why are there naked ladies with names written on their backs on that billboard?" (an actual billboard near my house). While it's obviously going to be a bit much to tell your kid that they're attempting to use nudity to generate business (imitation would cause a nightmare), you CAN say that "They're trying to make people mad." It's true, as the sign is quite controversial over here, but doesn't give them the parts of the picture you don't want to talk about until they're a few years older.
Yes, but the point is that Toys R Us is a major chain that will constantly be host to all sorts of kids of all sorts of ages and parental backgrounds. If you are a parent who wants to push that agenda on your kids, thats fine. Get it from one of the other thousands of retail methods be it brick and mortar or online.GeneralFungi said:
Remember this is not to have the publisher stop publishing it. Its to get it out of toys R us. The claim is not to stop the sale. Its to get it blocked from the hands of kids in a place kids WILL frequent. If a Parent wants to go through the ordeal of taking their 4 year old kid aside and reading them this issue of Archie, then explaining first sex, then homosexuality thats their prerogative. However dont expose EVERY kid to it based on proximity just to accommodate one group in the name of being politically correct, or functionally progressive.
Heres a suggestion. This is a matter of sexuality vs retail. We already have a model of how sex and retail can coexist. Simply make sexual content physically and visually inaccessible to kids much like how porn magazines are usually handled. Wrap them in protective plastic to ensure they are not opened, Bar anything suggestive from view. Then make it so that parental consent is required to purchase. Over protective parents get to continue sheltering their kids while parents in the affirmative still have the freedom to expose their children to this as they see fit. Its as close to a perfect solution as you can get.
To respond to all your posts:Volf said:
My kids shouldn't be allowed to see free black people, I don't agree with them.
My kids shouldn't be allowed to be taught or even have a knowledge that the world is round, I don't agree with it.
My kids shouldn't be allowed to taught about women's rights, or view women being treated as equals, I disagree with that.
My kids shouldn't be allowed to see any person/culture/literature/show/film/etc that isn't originally from this country, I don't believe in any culture that might be equal to my own.
Now do you understand why their opinion is ridiculous? It's a fact of life, it will not be changed, so trying to get it removed or even shelter your child from it will result in them being as ignorant and hateful as their parents are. If it were something that was morally wrong then fine. If you think it is different from opposite sex marriage, then I hate to inform you that you have a problem, you should probably see a professional about it, since society is becoming less and less tolerant of such intolerant behavior (kinda funny that isn't it?)
People still read Archie comics? Damn, I'm surprised, glad to see them still doing well.
I never understood this stuff from anti-gay groups. Why are they so against their children being exposed to homosexuality? It's not like being kept in this heterosexual bubble will stop whatever sexual desires exist within them.
Also, it's pretty dumb to protest Toys R Us for this. Why would they protest the merchant, and not the creator of Archie comics?
I never understood this stuff from anti-gay groups. Why are they so against their children being exposed to homosexuality? It's not like being kept in this heterosexual bubble will stop whatever sexual desires exist within them.
Also, it's pretty dumb to protest Toys R Us for this. Why would they protest the merchant, and not the creator of Archie comics?
Actually, hetero comics do this all the time. Comics often get things like marriage on the front cover, or kisses, if it's between straight people.kgpspyguy said:
Hm, wait. There's an archie comic where exactly this happened.
http://home.arcor.de/ralfh.kienzle/comics-a/archie608.jpg
You're just bigoted, so you don't notice this as announcing heterosexuality, but in reality, it's exactly that. You people only freak out when gay people do it, when heterosexuals say the same thing, you don't even bat an eye.
Definition of bigotry right there, this double standard of yours. After all, people don't actually do what you claim, they act the same as heterosexuals, but since it's too visible for you, you need to pretend that it's totally different.
Personally, it's more tiring to see close minded people whine about being called close minded.
If you need to bash other people just because they are different from you, or try to keep them out of view, then you will need to learn to deal with being called on it. You are being ignorant and narrow minded right now.
How are you narrow minded? Why, you gave me a perfect example.
Why, here. Homosexuality is not an issue of sex anymore than a straight marriage in a comic is. Unless you lobby to keep male/female kisses, hugs, and marriages (all of which are sexual by your definition) out of the same places, you're being narrow minded and ignorant.
As simple as that.
What you're doing is just the same old whining you people did 30 years ago about mixed marriage. Same tired, boring arguments, same close minded nonsense, same attemts of censorship with hand-wringing about protecting childrunnnn because you lot "morally" disagreed with how other people live their life and claimed that your priorities should have precedence.
Horrible sex on comic covers:
http://home.arcor.de/ralfh.kienzle/comics-a/archie608.jpg
!!!!!
If you are being bigoted or close minded, then people will call you on it. If you do not want to be called bigoted, maybe stop spouting bigoted opinions. People will not be able to call you that, then
If I ever have a daughter, I would not want her exposed to that Bratz bullcrap. All about kids dressing up in makeup, jewelry, and doing fashion shows. I think its offensive and brain rotting. And I don't want my child to see that and think that its normal or cool.
But ultimately, that's my opinion. I can't force Toys R Us to discontinue Bratz because I find them stupid and shallow. I can complain all that I want. I can tell Toys R Us that I'm done shopping at their store until they get rid of it. And I can put together a support group for it too.
But, all the same, Toys R Us can just ignore it. I have no control over what Toys R Us does, and I can't "demand" for them to do anything. Same for this book. If I don't want my kid to read it, I don't have to buy it. If I don't want my kid to see it, I don't have to go to Toys R Us.
And finally, its one freaking book. In a toy store. There's like a bajillion other things on the shelves. Unless your kid is an Archie nut, it should be a cakewalk to avoid the book entirely.
And even if your kid is an Archie nut, just tell him that he can't get the book. Why? Because Mom/Dad said so. Yes, your kid will argue, and be pissed at you, but that's part of life. Don't tell some corporation that it needs to take better care of your own children.
But ultimately, that's my opinion. I can't force Toys R Us to discontinue Bratz because I find them stupid and shallow. I can complain all that I want. I can tell Toys R Us that I'm done shopping at their store until they get rid of it. And I can put together a support group for it too.
But, all the same, Toys R Us can just ignore it. I have no control over what Toys R Us does, and I can't "demand" for them to do anything. Same for this book. If I don't want my kid to read it, I don't have to buy it. If I don't want my kid to see it, I don't have to go to Toys R Us.
And finally, its one freaking book. In a toy store. There's like a bajillion other things on the shelves. Unless your kid is an Archie nut, it should be a cakewalk to avoid the book entirely.
And even if your kid is an Archie nut, just tell him that he can't get the book. Why? Because Mom/Dad said so. Yes, your kid will argue, and be pissed at you, but that's part of life. Don't tell some corporation that it needs to take better care of your own children.