One sided and generic arguments that piss you off.

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

My personal favorite is the "freedom of speech" argument on the internet. You do not have the right to say whatever the hell you want on the internet. That has nothing to do with the right to expression.

Yes. Yes it does. That is the very definition of Freedom of Speech. That you get to say or Speak if you will, virtually anything you want in a public space.

This is why places like 4chan exist.

You have the right to not go there. You have the right to criticize. But they have the right to say what they want.

Maybe I phrased what I said wrong. I meant more that when someone complains about a comment getting edited or deleted by a mod they usually claim "You can't do that! I have freedom of speech!!" And they don't. The government can't dictate what they can and can't say, but the domain owner (and the mods) can decided what can and can't be said on the website.

That makes much more sense.

A private space is a private space and if a person is being an idiot, they get to be thrown out.

No arguments there.

Also, Happy Kazoo Day apparently...

 

[Malty Milk Whistle]

?Hold on a second! This chap has expressed an opinion different to my own. There is only one possible explanation.
CORPORATE POD PEOPLE!?

Seriously. I?ve been called a ?sheeple? all the time just because I happen to have reached a different opinion.

Ooh ooh ooh, I have something to lead on from this, when people wish to believe that they're in the minority because it makes them feel smarter for whatever reason, and blindly disagree with mainstream stuff or opinions.

I was once called a sheeple for saying that I didn't think MLP was a good show, despite the fact that I had the idiocy to state that on a MLP tf2 server.
I still get friend requests calling me sheeple.

Sad times.

 

[Inconspicuous Trenchcoat]

Some people who comment on fighting game matches on YouTube can annoy me. No, just because some Japanese players are much more stoic than the American players does not mean the calm party is an inherently better person. Daigo is not a saint just because he is reserved at tournaments. He may or may not be; you don't know him. Showing emotion is not inherently worse than being quiet; there is no universal standard for that, it's just your opinion. Also, Justin Wong is not an all-encompassing representation of Americans; he's overweight and let's his emotions show through, yes, that doesn't mean he can be judged (and you can't extrapolate your judgements on his character to all Americans) just because you've seen a incredibly brief slice of his life in an competitive environment. I don't hate JW or Daigo or anyone else, because I don't know them, and can't judge them based on tiny snippets of their life. Dem hype fightin' game playing shure dur entertairn me dough.

So, I don't like YouTubers who condemn or lift up whole societies or cultures based on their distant, nigh context-deprived, viewing of a 15 second glimpse into someone's mannerisms at a fighting game tournament.

 

[Tohuvabohu]

Here's one that never fails to annoy the shit out of me whenever I hear it. I'll put it like this

Me: "Man this game sucks."

Person: "no this game does not suck. This game is good and you should not say otherwise."

Me: "Well I think it sucks. Why should I think otherwise?"

Person smirks shortly, as a smug smile washes over his/her face, a gesture implying their predisposed belief of them successfully winning the argument by utilizing their skill in sharp observation, and stating facts of life.

Person inhales deeply, and assumes a victorious stance much alike a proud warrior standing atop a slain Dragon, as he/she bellows their response thusly, swiftly, and decisively ensuring victory over yet another internet argument:

[HEADING=1]"Because it sold a lot of copies"[/HEADING]

Well so fucking what?

This is perhaps one of the biggest cop-out arguments. When calling someone a "hater" or "noob" or "jealous" isn't enough, they reach for something they believe is more tangible, and it's almost always this. And it's something I've heard quite a lot of people say on this site alone. I honestly can't believe those people even listen to themselves when they say this.

Since when was how-much-money-made-off-anything used as defacto quantifiable method of measuring how -good- the thing in question is?

What these people are saying is that any single game in history that has sold a lot is, in fact, a good game. A fact which cannot be debated.
And any game that has not sold a lot is, in fact, a bad game. A fact which cannot be debated.

Also, when have people stopped throwing money at stupid/horrible shit? I'm pretty sure a lot of people paid a grand sum of a lot of money to see Transformers and Twilight in theaters. Are you saying that these 2 series of movies are, in fact, good? Because they made a lot of money? They HAVE to be good, right? Cause like, they made a lot of money. Right? Eh?

 

[thejackyl]

This is an argument I have with a friend of mine pretty much every time I log onto Steam to play a game that isn't CoD (Which I haven't played since MW2, since I don't like the games) Anyways...

"Why are you playing that shitty game?"
"Because I find it fun"
"How an you have fun with that, it's such a shitty game"
"Okay, what makes it a shitty game?"
"I haven't played it"
"Why not try the demo"
"No, it's a shitty game"

Spoiler: The list of games I've had this conversation with include(May or may not have the demo line)

EYE Divine Cybermancy
Skyrim
Far Cry 3
Hitman Blood Money and Absolution
Fallout 3 and New Vegas
FTL
Gotham City Imposters (He bought a 4 pack so me and a few friends could play together, and he NEVER played it)
Max Payne 3
Mafia 2
Metro 2033
TF2
Thief Series
The Walking Dead
X-COM Ufo Defense and Enemy Unknown

This one happens at the end of EVERY Expansion
Him: I'm never playing WoW again
*Patch for next Expansion comes out*
Him: Andrew, come back to WoW
Me: No, WoW is boring
Him: You only hate it because you suck
Me: No, I hate it because other than grinding the only thing to do is talk to the guild... which I can do outside of the game anyways (Facebook, Steam, etc.)
Him: No, you just suck.
Me: Okay... *Calls friends from said guild on Skype* Hey Pad, Iris; who sucks at Wow me, or Cath(All ingame nick names)
Pad/Iris: Well... considering you were in our 25-man Ulduar Hardmode team, always the last one alive and highest one the meters, and he... wasn't...
Him: Fuck you *Rage quits Skype*
He tends to do that when confronted with facts, If he's wrong he just stops talking and broods for like 2-3 days.

Bonus argument:

Him: Why don't you play *Insert multiplayer focused game here* with me?
Me: Because every time we decide to start a game, I have to work and you end up 30 levels higher than me, and I have to play catch up because you refuse to play with me until I'm at your level.
Him: No I don't
*Note: This happened with LoL, D2, D3, WoW, DDO, Torchlight 2, Guild Wars 2, and Borderlands 2*
In Diablo 3 we beat Act 1 around 2am, and I had to work at 6am, so I went to bed. When I logged in after work he was level 44 and in Hell Mode (I think) and I was still level 10 or 11.

 

[Ickorus]

Here's one I hate with the fury of a thousand suns:

If something is the arguers definition of what they're accusing it of then it is that regardless of intent behind the item or action in question, doesn't matter if that person didn't even consider it would be offensive or whether they even knew it could be taken offensively, it is what they're accusing it of solely because they think it is.

FUCK that argument, the only way to win it is to change the person's definition of the subject matter.

 

[tippy2k2]

These threads always humor me

Most of the complains thrown into these types of threads are one sided and generic arguments...if you don't agree with the argument

Might as well throw mine into the ring:
-Piracy is OK because the game company is EEEEEVIL!!!! (DRM, makes a shit ton of money, labor law issues, etc.)
-Piracy is OK because information WANTS to be free! Why you be caging up information brah!?
-Piracy is OK because it's legal here!
-Piracy is OK because it's just copy-right infringement! You're not hurting anyone!
-Piracy is OK because I wouldn't have bought it anyway.

And so on and so on. Just like they're going to argue about my reasons for why pirates are thieves is a one-sided and generic argument.

You're one of those "Anyone who even thinks about piracy in a positive light should be hung from their balls until death" people, aren't you?

Well shit, someone FINALLY figured out who I really am. As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that everyone who is a pirate is the scum of the Earth. As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that they should have their hands cut off every time they download something (for without hands, they cannot download). As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that if they manage to pirate without their hands, THAT's when they get hung by the balls until death...

Seriously dude? I have no problem with people who wish to debate but if you're not going to do it with some respect, don't bother at all.

EDIT: Alright, Mr. Connery has proven to me with a nice and happy response below that he's not a jerk and is actually very reasonable. I take back my sarcastic assholery response

 

[Genocidicles]

"You just didn't like it because you're too close minded!"

I mainly got this with MLP. I found it to be an overly saccharine piece of crap with boring conflict resolution. That doesn't make me close minded. I actually gave the show a chance before I hated it.

 

[Deathmageddon]

Well I'm probably gonna open a can of worms with this but.

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

The Sandy Hook shooter was already prohibited from owning guns, as was the Aurora, Colorado shooter. Chicago and New York have near-comprehensive gun band and the highest crime and gun violence rates in the country. Britain, despite having low gun violence, is the most violent country in the EU. Mexico has a ban on all guns, yet 55,000 people a year are shot and killed by cartels. Yeah, we're missing the point.

At least you were right about the can of worms lol.

"The gun is good, the penis is evil..." - Zardoz

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

I was under the impression that most shooting sprees were perpetrated by the mentally ill, not gangsters with contacts in the underground gun-running circuit.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

I was under the impression that most shooting sprees were perpetrated by the mentally ill, not gangsters with contacts in the underground gun-running circuit.

That is exactly my point.

 

[ShinyCharizard]

Well I'm probably gonna open a can of worms with this but.

Spoiler

Anyone who tries to use this as the basis of their argument is missing the point.

The Sandy Hook shooter was already prohibited from owning guns, as was the Aurora, Colorado shooter. Chicago and New York have near-comprehensive gun band and the highest crime and gun violence rates in the country. Britain, despite having low gun violence, is the most violent country in the EU. Mexico has a ban on all guns, yet 55,000 people a year are shot and killed by cartels. Yeah, we're missing the point.

At least you were right about the can of worms lol.

"The gun is good, the penis is evil..." - Zardoz

I disagree with you. But let's just leave it at that. I'm not keen on another gun control debate.

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

These threads always humor me

Most of the complains thrown into these types of threads are one sided and generic arguments...if you don't agree with the argument

Might as well throw mine into the ring:
-Piracy is OK because the game company is EEEEEVIL!!!! (DRM, makes a shit ton of money, labor law issues, etc.)
-Piracy is OK because information WANTS to be free! Why you be caging up information brah!?
-Piracy is OK because it's legal here!
-Piracy is OK because it's just copy-right infringement! You're not hurting anyone!
-Piracy is OK because I wouldn't have bought it anyway.

And so on and so on. Just like they're going to argue about my reasons for why pirates are thieves is a one-sided and generic argument.

You're one of those "Anyone who even thinks about piracy in a positive light should be hung from their balls until death" people, aren't you?

Well shit, someone FINALLY figured out who I really am. As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that everyone who is a pirate is the scum of the Earth. As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that they should have their hands cut off every time they download something (for without hands, they cannot download). As someone who thinks that piracy is bad, I obviously believe that if they manage to pirate without their hands, THAT's when they get hung by the balls until death...

Seriously dude? I have no problem with people who wish to debate but if you're not going to do it with some respect, don't bother at all.

My apologies.

People here tend to fall into one of two categories: Open to debate, not sure of anything OR righteous in their fight against the scum of the Earth that are pirates.

You seem to be an anomaly in that you're against it but also willing to discuss it.
Although to be honest, your original post seemed to indicate that you DIDN'T want to discuss it as you listed pretty much every piracy discussion topic as "One sided and generic arguments that piss you off"

 

[tippy2k2]

My apologies.

People here tend to fall into one of two categories: Open to debate, not sure of anything OR righteous in their fight against the scum of the Earth that are pirates.

You seem to be an anomaly in that you're against it but also willing to discuss it.
Although to be honest, your original post seemed to indicate that you DIDN'T want to discuss it as you listed pretty much every piracy discussion topic as "One sided and generic arguments that piss you off"

Fair enough. I may have laid it on a little too thick in making my point (which side of the debate you're on determines if you think the argument is stupid or not. Piracy is a good topic for that because it's such a grey line)

As someone who is against piracy, I feel that the list I gave are all weak excuses to pirate, therefore I see them as generic/weak arguments. However, if I gave my points for why piracy is wrong, someone who is pro-pirate would see my arguments as generic/weak arguments. I was just poking some fun at the thread since we're seeing arguments already about what arguments are generic/weak (gun control seems to be popping up a lot).

 

[Sir Thomas Sean Connery]

My apologies.

People here tend to fall into one of two categories: Open to debate, not sure of anything OR righteous in their fight against the scum of the Earth that are pirates.

You seem to be an anomaly in that you're against it but also willing to discuss it.
Although to be honest, your original post seemed to indicate that you DIDN'T want to discuss it as you listed pretty much every piracy discussion topic as "One sided and generic arguments that piss you off"

Fair enough. I may have laid it on a little too thick in making my point (which side of the debate you're on determines if you think the argument is stupid or not)

As someone who is against piracy, I feel that the list I gave are all weak excuses to pirate, therefore I see them as generic/weak arguments. However, if I gave my points for why piracy is wrong, someone who is pro-pirate would see my arguments as generic/weak arguments. I was just poking some fun at the thread since we're seeing arguments already about what arguments are generic/weak (gun control seems to be popping up a lot).

Makes sense actually.

By the way, your avatar just scared me shitless with that blink...

 

[mitchell271]

My personal favorite is the "freedom of speech" argument on the internet. You do not have the right to say whatever the hell you want on the internet. That has nothing to do with the right to expression.

Oh yeah. That's a big one for me. It means the government can't prosecute you for expressing an opinion. They CAN and WILL prosecute for hate speech though.

"Why are you playing that shitty game?"
"Because I find it fun"
"How an you have fun with that, it's such a shitty game"
"Okay, what makes it a shitty game?"
"I haven't played it"
"Why not try the demo"
"No, it's a shitty game"

Another big one. My little shithead of a brother is like that. I was playing... something. I think it was Legend of Grimrock. He was saying, "Looks dumb." Then he played it when I wasn't home. "Why didn't you tell me about this awesome game?" /facepalm

 

[RicoADF]

"Piracy is theft!"

No its not and you should be ashamed for being unable to tell the difference.

Piracy IS theft (except for a few exemptions), not in a "I stole a car" but rather a "you've cleaned my house/entertained me with a performance/other service people provide, and I'm not going to pay you because I don't want to" way. Not paying for services rendered is still theft.

 

[RicoADF]

"Piracy is theft!"

No its not and you should be ashamed for being unable to tell the difference.

Piracy IS theft (except for a few exemptions), not in a "I stole a car" but rather a "you've cleaned my house/entertained me with a performance/other service people provide, and I'm not going to pay you because I don't want to" way. Not paying for services rendered is still theft.

If it was theft the law would call it theft and not copyright infringement. No one is losing anything when a game is copied or music is listened to on youtube.

If you read what I said then you would see that money owed is lost. Weather its called theft as far as the law goes (which depends on country) doesn't change that a service was provided without money due being paid. That is basically theft of the money owed. I am ofcourse talking about downloading a game/movie etc with no intention to buy it and just want it for free.

 

[Kenbo Slice]

I hate when people automatically hate something because of one teensy little thing.

Mass Effect 3 is a great example of this. The game, it fucking rocked. The ending, not so much (although it wasn't nearly as bad as some people are saying). But, I've seen some people (especially on this site) automatically deem the ENTIRE game crap, all because of one part.