one word you associate with school
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If there is a word that emcompasses Hell, Pointless, Tedious, and Bullshit Drama then that. I spent 3 years doing fuck all and being bullied, then 2 years when they say "this is actually important." A retarded discipline system which let literally every single one of my bullies get away with everything they did while if I did something wrong I'd get in trouble because it wasn't expected of me. Finally being in a college I get some perspective and you know what I've learned?
Everything, fucking everything, from values to work ethic to actual facts were wrong! Maths and Science were the only things taught right in my school, since I've left employers and college tutors have all told me "Yeah thats wrong, you're meant to do it like this" or "It actually means this". And y'know what? They don't punish me for not knowing things I was never fucking taught! Fuck school it fucked with my mental stability.
Everything, fucking everything, from values to work ethic to actual facts were wrong! Maths and Science were the only things taught right in my school, since I've left employers and college tutors have all told me "Yeah thats wrong, you're meant to do it like this" or "It actually means this". And y'know what? They don't punish me for not knowing things I was never fucking taught! Fuck school it fucked with my mental stability.
I don't need to guess, my friend - he's in for a whole boat load of Trouble.DVS BSTrD said:
(we could keep this going all day, not that I mind XD)
OK, you proved me wrong. I am now ready to learn that you haven't learned anything from school.CrazyCapnMorgan said:
What I have learned after a lot of time on the internet is that trying to have a debate with someone who substitute facts with opinions and their opinion and is that the government is evil is pointless.
Indecisive.
I can't decide whether I like it or not; because most days I love learning new things and such, but on the other days, it just drags on. And on. And on. And on. I do have good friends there, but they're usually drowned out by pricks and douchebags.
I can't decide whether I like it or not; because most days I love learning new things and such, but on the other days, it just drags on. And on. And on. And on. I do have good friends there, but they're usually drowned out by pricks and douchebags.
It's not that the government is "evil", per se, it is that they hold perceived power. To govern is not an evil, in and of itself, - we all do it on a day-to-day basis in some form or another - it is that the collective individuals who wield said power do not do so for the benefit of all; they do it to further themselves. From the words of George Carlin:Yopaz said:
I've also taken the liberty of studying most of the written history of human beings. This took quite a long to absorb, but I've always seen a certain pattern, one that manifests itself time and time again; Jean from LUNAR 2: Eternal Blue Complete said it best, IMO, "Power grows when spread amongst the many, and perishes when hoarded by the few." From George Carlin during the same performance I posted, he said, "Government is only interested in its own power, that's all it cares about, keeping it and expanding it whenever possible." Governments throughout history have fallen because they focused on power more than anything else. It's also interesting to note, that of all governments ever created, no matter what form they took, ALL of them have failed in one form or another. No government has ever stayed intact for an indefinite period of time. Even China, the longest lasting country on Earth, has gone through roughly half a dozen inner revolutions on its own, to say nothing of the times outside forces have attempted to crush it. So, what is a catalyst to keep power in check?
Wisdom.
The kind you won't find in schools, or that can be nurtured by or in schools. Schools that are, by their very construction, an arm of the state, might I add. The individuals that I mentioned also spoke of power, governments and figures of authority - but they spoke with wisdom and courage. A theme I've always kept track of, and one of the main reasons I enjoy the old Legend of Zelda games. It taught me a good life lesson when looking at how we live on this planet:
"Power, without the Wisdom to temper it and the Courage to guide its path, will ultimate destroy itself."
So no, government is NOT evil. Power, without Wisdom and Courage, IS evil; and I'm pretty sure that, even if you keep poor track of the news lately, you'd agree - the United States has used its Power poorly, due to the lack of Wisdom and Courage behind their decisions, and its own decline has proven this.
Wow, that was a tangent. In conclusion, I have learned SOME things from school, but nothing so substantial or unique that it cannot be found outside of school. Here are some words from John Taylor Gatto, a former teacher here in the state of New York, who won multiple awards for teaching, from whom I've learned (Side note: he lives 20 minutes from me!):
Learning,
that's what I go there to do.
The two years I spent in high school (before going on to take college courses for high school credit) may have been horrible, but even it had it's moments. My Biology Honors class, for example, is one that I will never forget. I learned so much from that class that the experience can only be compared to sex, just in the mind.
The teacher not only used a reformed grading system (the 4-point scale as opposed to ABCDF) but also used it effectively. She actually graded on comprehension much more than on memorization.
In all my other classes, I forced my teachers to teach me by asking questions and facilitating discussion. If something didn't make sense to me or I wanted to know something extra, I asked questions. I asked so many questions, in fact, that I once had a teacher tell me to shut up.
I am entitled to an education in school and if it is not working as well as it should, I forcefully extract information from it. The key to getting the most out of your educators is not to treat them as an authority figure, but to treat them as someone who is supposed to be teaching you.
College, on the other hand, is heaven compared to high school. You not only get to have much more freedom in choosing your classes, but there are generally much less idiotic worksheets than in high school.
that's what I go there to do.
I'f you're talking about high school, you have a slight point. However, it is still a place where those who are motivated to learn, can learn.CrazyCapnMorgan said:
The two years I spent in high school (before going on to take college courses for high school credit) may have been horrible, but even it had it's moments. My Biology Honors class, for example, is one that I will never forget. I learned so much from that class that the experience can only be compared to sex, just in the mind.
The teacher not only used a reformed grading system (the 4-point scale as opposed to ABCDF) but also used it effectively. She actually graded on comprehension much more than on memorization.
In all my other classes, I forced my teachers to teach me by asking questions and facilitating discussion. If something didn't make sense to me or I wanted to know something extra, I asked questions. I asked so many questions, in fact, that I once had a teacher tell me to shut up.
I am entitled to an education in school and if it is not working as well as it should, I forcefully extract information from it. The key to getting the most out of your educators is not to treat them as an authority figure, but to treat them as someone who is supposed to be teaching you.
College, on the other hand, is heaven compared to high school. You not only get to have much more freedom in choosing your classes, but there are generally much less idiotic worksheets than in high school.
Yeah, friends is probably what I'd go for too, but now I'm at University (not sure whether you'd consider it school) I'm thinking a much more negative word be needed.Evil Smurf said:Friends is what I think of when I thing of school. I loved school. All the dicks left in primary school and only chill, nice people remainedPrivate Christian schools are good like that
I'm honestly quite surprised by the amount of people here who disliked school that much, I thought it was great. It wasn't very hard to avoid the few assholes that were there, and I hung around in a big group, so no-one really got bullied.
Uni/TAFE is better then school (and yes I call it school because it is a place of learning) because your friends will be more mature and at the end of the day you can all go down to the pub.bojackx said:Yeah, friends is probably what I'd go for too, but now I'm at University (not sure whether you'd consider it school) I'm thinking a much more negative word be needed.Evil Smurf said:Friends is what I think of when I thing of school. I loved school. All the dicks left in primary school and only chill, nice people remained
I'm honestly quite surprised by the amount of people here who disliked school that much, I thought it was great. It wasn't very hard to avoid the few assholes that were there, and I hung around in a big group, so no-one really got bullied.
That'd be great if I didn't despise the taste of lager/cider/beer, and had made any friends. I was a late transfer to my University and I live at home, so the only times that I really socialise are in the labs and even then there's not much talking. I wouldn't say they're more mature, alcohol is more readily available and uni students are well known for drunken shenanigans. I'm assuming things will get better, but right now I really miss the old school days.Evil Smurf said:Uni/TAFE is better then school (and yes I call it school because it is a place of learning) because your friends will be more mature and at the end of the day you can all go down to the pub.bojackx said:Yeah, friends is probably what I'd go for too, but now I'm at University (not sure whether you'd consider it school) I'm thinking a much more negative word be needed.Evil Smurf said:Friends is what I think of when I thing of school. I loved school. All the dicks left in primary school and only chill, nice people remained
I'm honestly quite surprised by the amount of people here who disliked school that much, I thought it was great. It wasn't very hard to avoid the few assholes that were there, and I hung around in a big group, so no-one really got bullied.
Well I associate "despair" with school, stemming from a combination of bullying based on appearance, intellect and orientation and suffering from bipolar disorder since the age of around 15.Eclipse Dragon said:
Yeah.
Gonna go with "Despair" on this one.