Onlive - A friend to PC gaming?
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OnLive would only serve to further emancipate the idea that customers don't need to own the data they're purchasing. It started with the whole "licensing" bullshit and it's currently at a stage where you're being forced to start a third party application just so you can play the games you legally purchased.
No PC games sales are sales of PC games, not sales of PC themselves.On-live's service is built on granting people remote access to PC's running PC games. They have to buy licences for PC games (i.e PC games sales) to put them on their service.SirBryghtside said:
Well since with mobile devices there would be no other way to play pc quality games, it seems like a necessary evil. That is unless you are talking about it in comparison PC gaming locally, which again is not the point of this thread.AndyFromMonday said:
The only bone of contention I have with that is chalking up OnLive unqualified under PC gaming. Really it's the potential for funding the PC ports to run on the OnLive servers. Once the developer already has the PC port, yes there would be less reason to not release it as an actual PC game. Until they do that though, it won't be anymore accessible to traditional PC gaming than a conventional console release.ph0b0s123 said:
Even so, I think you've got a point in the near term. And, I can't say I'm nearly as against the OnLive concept as some of the other people on this thread. For one, not all games come to the PC at all. Even just being on OnLive has more potential for me playing them than putting them on a console. Secondly, they might monetize, or "app-ize" if you will, old properties by releasing them for OnLive, and I'm even less likely to buy a PS2 or orginal Xbox on Ebay than I am to buy a PS4 or 720. Then, of course, I am not entirely immune to the allure of playing more sophisticated games via smartphone hooked up to a TV or on a skinny low-power notebook.
Once a title comes out for ON-live and not for PC's in general then On-live gets removed from the friends list. Until that happens (if it does happen) On-live and PC gamers are feeding from and contributing to the same trough. And it is in both our interests to have a strong PC games market. Them to have games to put on their system and us to have games for our local gaming rigs.Xpheyel said:
Its no real friend of mine , as a PC gamer I want the extra quality that I am used to (better loading speeds better graphics and mods being some ) Onlive basically turns it into a worse version of the game.
Plus not every country has fibre optic broadband lines yet, The UK for example is way behind on this front and outside of the major cities you have little chance to run onlive.
Plus not every country has fibre optic broadband lines yet, The UK for example is way behind on this front and outside of the major cities you have little chance to run onlive.
Again not a thread about how good On-live is as a service in comparison to playing on a local PC, as in there isn't one. The thread is about the idea that anyone using the service not via a PC is essentially a PC gamer and contributing financially to PC gaming. Don't know how many time I am going to have to repeat this.ash-brewster said:
Sorry, but that isn't quite right. Onlive games aren't just the PC versions of games. They have to be specially developed to work over the Onlive system.ph0b0s123 said:
I know this because they were meant to release Dead Island a couple of months ago, but the devs delayed the Onlive release because they wanted to focus on fixing the bugs in the other versions before porting it over to Onlive.
Also, another way to know is that when you play multiplayer, you play against other Onlive users, not PC players, because they're not the same version. Technically you could program cross-platform multiplayer, but no one has done that yet.
Only temporarily. If Onlive ever got big, it could all change.ph0b0s123 said:
From an engineering perspective, the best hardware setup for an Onlive style service is to replace those PCs with supercomputers that serve many users. You can save an awful lot of money on RAM and HD space that way. You can also handle the load if some parts of some games need a ton of power and would be laggy on any PC, as long as the average load is reasonable.
Even worse, companies with a possessive attitude, like Ubisoft, might be tempted to design Onlive only games that simply cannot be played on consumer hardware. Someone might hack the servers and put the games on the Pirate Bay, they might even get the source code and compile a PC version, but it wouldn't be any good anyway because they would require 20 terabytes of HD space, 100GB RAM, and slow to a crawl whenever lots of stuff exploded.
So what if they are locked down PC games running on PC's. That fact that the locking down makes the games closed to the system does not matter. They need developers to make a PC version of the game before they have any hope of running it on their system. If in the future they make their system so propitiatory that they get games developed for but not for PC's in general, at that point I will take take back my assertion that ONlive is a friend to PC gaming. Until then they are contributing towards PC games getting made and the PC games market in general.razer17 said:
And no it is a good idea they are on their own with mutiplay as their mutiplayer will lag more than normal PC mutiplay due to the nature of what they are doing. I don't want to be on servers with lots of people who's connects are lagging as the way servers deal with that is to lag for everyone.
Onlive would do approximatley nothing for me, I have a high end gaming PC what possible benefit could I get through the most restricive form of DD possible, and what does it add, what I save hardrive space? That I have hundreds of unused gigs of. What if I want to tweak the game files for better performance? Guess thats out.
I don't see the point to onlive, sure as hell ain't the future if you ask me anyway especially considering the archaic network infastructre most western countries still have. And I guarantee my rig can put out better than whatever maximum quality onlive is capable of streaming.
I don't see the point to onlive, sure as hell ain't the future if you ask me anyway especially considering the archaic network infastructre most western countries still have. And I guarantee my rig can put out better than whatever maximum quality onlive is capable of streaming.
No, I am repeating that this is not a thread to talk about how good or bad Onlives service is or how well it compares with local PC gaming. That comment I only made once.Dexter111 said:
So not every mobile device has the necessary connection, some do and some mobile users contributing to PC gaming is more than we have right now.Dexter111 said:
I am just not convinced Onlive will be able to separate there fortunes from PC gaming as others are. As far as cloud gaming being bad. I am not a fan, but I can see it is coming no matter what we do. At least in this case it is contributing to an already existing platform.Dexter111 said:
No matter the device you still will have a lot of people unable to use online at all because of internet infrastructure issues. Again using the Uk as a example you have no chance of using it out in rural areas where all forms of internet (wired satellite ect ) have weak coverage. So in those areas where a lot more people live than don't its not viable right now.ph0b0s123 said:
For example where I live I couldn't just take my ipad or phone or whatever , jump on a bus to the next town and get uninterrupted service.
I have a good example of how it good for PCs. me. Sounds weird, but someone like me who has a crappy computer can do 1 of 2 things. 1: I can pony up some cash for a console, and leave my loving computer behind. 2: Buy a expensive but newer and better computer (despite my aversion to Windows Computers, but thats a different conversation), which will set me back about 700 dollars since I am not technologically literate in that sense. OnLive gives me a third option, play onlive. I can still use my computer for almost everything (like playing old and Valve games), and when I want to play something modern, pop on OnLive. This will entice a lot more people to use the computer and not resort to that enticing first option.
Actually multiplayer works perfectly on OnLive. This is because all of the OnLive computers are connected together into one singular LAN connection. Therefore, no real lag. What few I have hit is from connecting to OnLive itself, in which case it acts differently than normal lag. No rubber banding, just people suddenly not moving.Dexter111 said: