Only 42% of Republicans believe that President Obama was born in the United States.

[Razorback0z]

So about half as many republicans as there are that think the Devil is real.

Sounds about right.....

Besides thats not his BC anyway.... its for someone called OBAMAII

 

[El Camarado]

Basically, this is how I picture it.

Birther: "Yeah, he was born in umm... Kenya, didn't he say that?"
Liberal: "No, his father was Kenyan, he was born in Hawaii, we have his birth certificate to prove it."
Birther: "It's a fake!"
Liberal: "No, we confirmed it, besides, you have no proof that it is fake."
Birhter: "Well, uhh... Hawaii isn't a state!"
Liberal: "..."
Birhter: "McCain should be president!"
Liberal: "... something smells like Irony..."

McCain, by the way, was born in Panama, he is still a naturalized American citizen, due to the fact that he was the son of a naval officer that was sent to Panama. I don't know, I just find it ironic that the birthers (the people claiming Obama was born in Kenya) are claiming that Obama shouldn't be president, as it would, arguably, make more sense to say McCain wasn't born in the US, and doesn't qualify (I think the whole thing is just completely silly, and stupid.)

And, 42%, really? I don't know, that statistic just seems, inaccurate. Though, then again, many people are leaving the republican party, leaving only the hardcore, overzealous right.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

dont be so quick to judge the republicans.


You know, I thought the whole "Obama can't be president because he wasn't actually born in Hawaii" thing was a bunch of crap... and then I read the case of Major Cook.

Cook, a reservist, received orders sending him to Afghanistan in early July. He, with the help of an attorney that has been working this angle for awile, filed in court for an injunction to stay the deployment orders, citing Maj. Cook's objection to following what he believes to be an illegal order to combat, as he does not believe that Obama is qualified per the terms of the Constitution - - that he was not "natural born" in the United States.

Okay, up til there, this could just be political wrangling from a legal angle, coupled with a person undesirous to go to Afghanistan (though 'major' is a rank high eonugh that it takes some doing to get there; not likely to be tossed aside for small reasons).

Here's where it got interesting:

After the Major and his lawyer filed for the injunction and asked the court to demand the "long form original" of Obama's birth certificate (the one bearing the doctor's signature, place and time of birth, etc - - not the 'short form' cert produced earlier)... the Army recinded the Major's orders, without explanation.

Why? They wont bother presenting a stupid document that will completely destroy cooks case?

that is of course, if they actually have one...

so the republicans aren't as stupid as you think. If Obama is really a true citizen, why can't he show his birth certificate and avoid the whole thing?

i still think obama is a citizen, since i would think they would have dug deeper during his campaign. But that case raises some questions.

Assuming for just one second that that isn't a bunch of rediculous nonsense, let me just ask, what would happen if it were true? If Obama wasn't born in the U.S., what then? Birthers seem to be under the delusion that getting rid of Obama with this nonsensical scheme will get them back in power, and obviously they haven't even considered the ramifications of what would happen if they were successful. I'll admit, I'm not a political science major or anything, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain he'd simply be replaced by Joe Biden if he was removed at all. The genuine stupidity of the birther conspiracy theory lays in the fact that even if it was successful, it would be of no real benefit to the people who propagate it.

 

[j0frenzy]

He shouldn't have to show the entire country his birth certificate for everyone to believe he is a natural born citizen. We didn't make Bush, or Clinton, or the other Bush and we would not have made McCain show everyone his birth certificate if he had been elected. There is a harsh double-standard here that reeks of racial mistrust.

 

[A random person]

so the republicans aren't as stupid as you think. If Obama is really a true citizen, why can't he show his birth certificate and avoid the whole thing?

*joins ... in facedesking.*

That isn't going to convince the birthers because it's a "certificate of live birth," despite that it's just what birth certificates are called, and their line of reasoning would invalidate the natural-born status of a lot of Americans, myself included.

This Colbert Report clip summarizes why the birthers are wrong [http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/229638/july-28-2009/womb-raiders---the-fight-for-the-truth-behind-obama-s-birth], especially the bit with the money.

 

[NeutralDrow]

so the republicans aren't as stupid as you think. If Obama is really a true citizen, why can't he show his birth certificate and avoid the whole thing?

*joins ... in facedesking.*

the "Certificate of Live Birth" can be obtained without presenting an actual "long form Birth Certificate" signed by a physician and attesting actual place and time of birth, and it takes no conspiracy at all to do so - - just a couple of people willing to lie to a county clerk, one US citizen parent, and the ability to present a living baby.


plus, did you read the cook case? why couldn't they just show the document and be done with it?

\

Hahahahaha you just made that up. You got me going for a little bit.

look up the case yourself http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/news/story/778482.html

Two reasons I can think of.

A) They already did so during the campaign, which is <url=http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp>a matter of public record. That's not taking into account that it's been challenged in court several times before, always with the same result.

B) The guy is making a fucking stupid argument in the first place. "I'm not going to war because I think the President can't legally order me to?"

Ann Coulter called the "Birthers" crazy. ANN FREAKING COULTER!!!

If she's calling you crazy, then either you're doing something good for civil rights; or you're completely, irrevocably, batshit lock-me-up-forever out of your fucking mind!

...holy crap. That's like Jack Thompson calling the Mass Effect controversy incredibly stupid...multiplied by fifty!

 

[Sigel]

You shouldn't believe everything the TV tells you, that includes Bill Maher.

 

[Maggotworm]

Assuming for just one second that that isn't a bunch of rediculous nonsense, let me just ask, what would happen if it were true? If Obama wasn't born in the U.S., what then? Birthers seem to be under the delusion that getting rid of Obama with this nonsensical scheme will get them back in power, and obviously they haven't even considered the ramifications of what would happen if they were successful. I'll admit, I'm not a political science major or anything, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain he'd simply be replaced by Joe Biden if he was removed at all. The genuine stupidity of the birther conspiracy theory lays in the fact that even if it was successful, it would be of no real benefit to the people who propagate it.

ridiculous nonsense? the only thing that is ridiculous is that Obamas lawyers are apparently refusing to show a simple document validating he is a natural born american (mind you, citizen and natural born are different things).
all this shit can be avoided if he just shows a long form certificate to everyone prooving he is natural born.

 

[gmer412]

dont be so quick to judge the republicans.


You know, I thought the whole "Obama can't be president because he wasn't actually born in Hawaii" thing was a bunch of crap... and then I read the case of Major Cook.

Cook, a reservist, received orders sending him to Afghanistan in early July. He, with the help of an attorney that has been working this angle for awile, filed in court for an injunction to stay the deployment orders, citing Maj. Cook's objection to following what he believes to be an illegal order to combat, as he does not believe that Obama is qualified per the terms of the Constitution - - that he was not "natural born" in the United States.

Okay, up til there, this could just be political wrangling from a legal angle, coupled with a person undesirous to go to Afghanistan (though 'major' is a rank high eonugh that it takes some doing to get there; not likely to be tossed aside for small reasons).

Here's where it got interesting:

After the Major and his lawyer filed for the injunction and asked the court to demand the "long form original" of Obama's birth certificate (the one bearing the doctor's signature, place and time of birth, etc - - not the 'short form' cert produced earlier)... the Army recinded the Major's orders, without explanation.

Why? They wont bother presenting a stupid document that will completely destroy cooks case?

that is of course, if they actually have one...

so the republicans aren't as stupid as you think. If Obama is really a true citizen, why can't he show his birth certificate and avoid the whole thing?

i still think obama is a citizen, since i would think they would have dug deeper during his campaign. But that case raises some questions.

Assuming for just one second that that isn't a bunch of rediculous nonsense, let me just ask, what would happen if it were true? If Obama wasn't born in the U.S., what then? Birthers seem to be under the delusion that getting rid of Obama with this nonsensical scheme will get them back in power, and obviously they haven't even considered the ramifications of what would happen if they were successful. I'll admit, I'm not a political science major or anything, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain he'd simply be replaced by Joe Biden if he was removed at all. The genuine stupidity of the birther conspiracy theory lays in the fact that even if it was successful, it would be of no real benefit to the people who propagate it.

You're right; they don't think about the consequences of their actions! I mean, having Nancy Pelosi as VP? Uggggghhhh

 

[NeutralDrow]

Assuming for just one second that that isn't a bunch of rediculous nonsense, let me just ask, what would happen if it were true? If Obama wasn't born in the U.S., what then? Birthers seem to be under the delusion that getting rid of Obama with this nonsensical scheme will get them back in power, and obviously they haven't even considered the ramifications of what would happen if they were successful. I'll admit, I'm not a political science major or anything, and maybe I'm wrong, but I'm fairly certain he'd simply be replaced by Joe Biden if he was removed at all. The genuine stupidity of the birther conspiracy theory lays in the fact that even if it was successful, it would be of no real benefit to the people who propagate it.

ridiculous nonsense? the only thing that is ridiculous is that Obamas lawyers are apparently refusing to show a simple document validating he is a natural born american (mind you, citizen and natural born are different things).

...aha! I get it now!

Congratulations, you actually got me. You're not that one guy with the mouse with a V mask as an avatar come back, are you? He's the last guy who successfully trolled me.

 

[Berethond]

You know, I've had just about enough blind hatred toward Republicans. We all know you hate them.

We don't need to hear it every day.

Also, I would be absolutely thrilled if you would use the search button.

 

[Maggotworm]

...aha! I get it now!

Congratulations, you actually got me. You're not that one guy with the mouse with a V mask as an avatar come back, are you? He's the last guy who successfully trolled me.

good sir, if there is one thing i cannot stand, it is a one sided arguement. i decided to turn this republican haters anonymous thread into something that has sort of a valid debate.

 

[CrafterMan]

It's his actions that determine his presidency....not where he was born.

-Joe

(New Zealand)

 

[thiosk]

we would not have made McCain show everyone his birth certificate

I feel here you are demonstrating pure racial mistrust.

This controversy DID come up with McCain-- remember he was born on a US military base in panama, the son of what, a general? admiral?, and upon his nomination, he was the first target of birther controversy. He immediately produced all relevant documents and submitted them, and the controversy fizzled.

Obama, on the other hand, was born to a nigerian man, maybe in hawaii maybe not, and his Nigerian grandmother reportedly bragged that she was present for the birth of the american president.

In Nigeria.

Now this is likely some weirdo african lady spouting off, but hey, they asked McCain to put up, he did, they shut up.

They asked obama to put up, and they put some scanned copy of some document on the interwebzzz. if you want to diffuse a conspiracy theory, you should not appear as though you are engaging in a coverup.

do note: im not a birther, id rather have obama than biden.

ANY DAY.

 

[Titanguy654]

It's his actions that determine his presidency....not where he was born.

-Joe

(New Zealand)

Actually, you can't become president unless you were born in America.

 

[QuirkyTambourine]

Sadly enough, my mother is still a "birther". After all the news of his birth certificate, the announcement in the Hawaii Star from his parents, all of it came to light in mainstream news (about a month or six after I saw it on the internet), I asked her if she believed he was born here. She adamantly stated that he was born in Kenya.

It sucks to see educated people fall prey to stupid ideas like this.

 

[Sewblon]

It's a last ditch effort to override his presidency. Personally I don't care if Obama was born on mars, I just don't like the guy.

I agree with Frankydee. I have seen democrats who think that Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[NeutralDrow]

...aha! I get it now!

Congratulations, you actually got me. You're not that one guy with the mouse with a V mask as an avatar come back, are you? He's the last guy who successfully trolled me.

good sir, if there is one thing i cannot stand, it is a one sided arguement. i decided to turn this republican haters anonymous thread into something that has sort of a valid debate.

While I certainly agree that any sort of "haters anonymous" thread is undesirable (I don't agree with the Republicans on most things, but I at least try to make an effort towards moderation), the problem with that one is that it wasn't really a valid debate. The thing has actually been settled, the mocking is because the noted 42% are just ignoring all available evidence to the contrary. I feel the "debate" was more a chance to draw the screaming towards yourself. Something I've actually done, myself, but in less...politicized areas.

 

[Vault boy Eddie]

I was born in NY and I have no idea where my birth certificate is, am I not american now?

 

[TheNightGoat666]

yeah. not to be a biased democrat liberal jerk, i think that this whole issue is ridiculous. if obama wasn't born in america, the republican party would have dug much...MUCH deeper into this issue last year, when he was up for election. if there was really any realistic doubt in the first place.

in addition, that stupid cook guy is just trying to prove a point that has been repeatedly disproved in the past. i somewhat agree with everyone saying something along the lines of "i don't care. i don't like for his policies." or "i like him for his policies"

i happen to be an avid supporter of obama, but i hold no grudge towards those who aren't. everyone is entitled to their opinion, but to have such baselessnes to these opinions so that your only defense is a faulty argument about the man's birthplace, you seriously need to start thinking for yourself instead.