Only 42% of Republicans believe that President Obama was born in the United States.

[Maggotworm]

...aha! I get it now!

Congratulations, you actually got me. You're not that one guy with the mouse with a V mask as an avatar come back, are you? He's the last guy who successfully trolled me.

good sir, if there is one thing i cannot stand, it is a one sided arguement. i decided to turn this republican haters anonymous thread into something that has sort of a valid debate.

While I certainly agree that any sort of "haters anonymous" thread is undesirable (I don't agree with the Republicans on most things, but I at least try to make an effort towards moderation), the problem with that one is that it wasn't really a valid debate. The thing has actually been settled, the mocking is because the noted 42% are just ignoring all available evidence to the contrary. I feel the "debate" was more a chance to draw the screaming towards yourself. Something I've actually done, myself, but in less...politicized areas.

well, i do still find the refusal to provide the certificate to cook very interesting.

 

[historybuff]

Oh geez. Yeah. And the religious radicals think he's the anti-Christ.

I just wave them off.

I respect normal Republicans. But the crazy, loud ones in front of the camera are making them all look bad.

 

[CrafterMan]

It's his actions that determine his presidency....not where he was born.

-Joe

(New Zealand)

Actually, you can't become president unless you were born in America.

Yeah, I know that man, but sorry it just seems a bit pointless.. like grabbing at straws.

-Joe

 

[ryuutchi]

This actually hasn't really been news for a while. Rachel Maddow and Chris Matthews both like to make fun of the Birther thing a lot. Actually, IRC, Maddow did a piece last on how the Republican politicians are jerking the Birthers around. And Matthews got a copy of the Live Birth form and waved it around on his show a while ago.

 

[ryuutchi]

well, i do still find the refusal to provide the certificate to cook very interesting.

Certificate (as found in Hawaii) has, in fact been provided by multiple people. There was also an announcement of Obama's birth on the same day in the major newspaper of the state. So... LOL NO.

 

[Berethond]

Oh geez. Yeah. And the religious radicals think he's the anti-Christ.

All fifteen of them.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

Wow, when Republicans have opinions, why is it ok to bash us?

 

[j0frenzy]

we would not have made McCain show everyone his birth certificate

I feel here you are demonstrating pure racial mistrust.

This controversy DID come up with McCain-- remember he was born on a US military base in panama, the son of what, a general? admiral?, and upon his nomination, he was the first target of birther controversy. He immediately produced all relevant documents and submitted them, and the controversy fizzled.

Obama, on the other hand, was born to a nigerian man, maybe in hawaii maybe not, and his Nigerian grandmother reportedly bragged that she was present for the birth of the american president.

In Nigeria.

Now this is likely some weirdo african lady spouting off, but hey, they asked McCain to put up, he did, they shut up.

They asked obama to put up, and they put some scanned copy of some document on the interwebzzz. if you want to diffuse a conspiracy theory, you should not appear as though you are engaging in a coverup.

do note: im not a birther, id rather have obama than biden.

ANY DAY.

I had actually never heard of any controversy involving McCain's birth. I am sorry for my lack of knowledge on the subject. I hereby rescind my opinion of racial mistrust, but still assert that it is none of our business what his birth certificate looks like.

 

[Souplex]

Eh, it is about as bad as the more extreme Democrats got with Bush.

 

[theultimateend]

Well fuck, should I automatically believe that all Democrats are paragons of intellect?

I'm w/ this guy. I just don't like him, and I don't think things are much now than they would've have been if McCain was elected.

Just because someone hates republicans or mocks them doesn't mean they are tickling the balls of Democrats. Grow up and realize that not everything is a dichotomy, indeed very few things are.

As for the second one. I don't quite think people hate Obama as a person as much as they don't like that he isn't magic. I highly disagree that it would be "about the same" If McCain had won but that's because I understand that if you want to get things done all you need to do is give companies everything they want.

Don't get me wrong, this whole stimulus thing was absolutely retarded but I see that as the modest outcome to what could have been.

McCain as a person is nice, but as a politician he's an absolute asshole. Obama might not be efficient but he's at least not an asshole (feel free to show me videos where he's a jerk, it'll probably be difficult, however you can find endless videos of McCain being a prick when he was trying to become president and after).

Politics will always fail if parties are involved. Never expect anything good if you vote for someone who is part of a party.

PS. The Daily show provided something like 5 separate pieces of evidence a week or two ago for Obama being born in the US (Hawaii). The whole Birther thing is an example of blind faith ignoring reality.

 

[WorldCritic]

Ah crap, I hate politics.

 

[SilentHunter7]

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-july-22-2009/the-born-identity

0:50 on just about sums up my feelings.

- He produced a birth certificate
- The republican governor of Hawaii says he was born there
- They have the original 40 year old news paper archives that announce Barack's Birth

At this point, nothing can be produced that will convince the birthers he was born here. Just like no amount of evidence NASA produces will convince all the moon hoaxers out there that we landed on the moon.

 

[blaze96]

I tend to take any statistic with a grain of salt, and the truth of this one strikes me as suspect. Bill Maher a comedian and pundit does not really strike me as a credible source. I have problems with ANY pundit who starts throwing out statistics without mentioning where they found them, but I distrust comedians doubly so. Though I will admit, this statistic is probably true (my father is a conservative republican and believed at one point that A.) Obama was a Muslim and B.)that Obama was not born in the us), I just wish I could know where he got his statistic before I accept it. Penn and Teller did something on this, where they proved that by simply rewording the same question, you can get an entirely different answer. I'm not saying Bill Maher was a lying, just that we should all probably take a breath before this goes where I think it will. (This train probably stands a strong chance of going to Flame Town)

Edit: found the video if you want a source for the Penn and Teller

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4

 

[joystickjunki3]

Well fuck, should I automatically believe that all Democrats are paragons of intellect?

I'm w/ this guy. I just don't like him, and I don't think things are much now than they would've have been if McCain was elected.

Just because someone hates republicans or mocks them doesn't mean they are tickling the balls of Democrats. Grow up and realize that not everything is a dichotomy, indeed very few things are.

As for the second one. I don't quite think people hate Obama as a person as much as they don't like that he isn't magic. I highly disagree that it would be "about the same" If McCain had won but that's because I understand that if you want to get things done all you need to do is give companies everything they want.

Don't get me wrong, this whole stimulus thing was absolutely retarded but I see that as the modest outcome to what could have been.

McCain as a person is nice, but as a politician he's an absolute asshole. Obama might not be efficient but he's at least not an asshole (feel free to show me videos where he's a jerk, it'll probably be difficult, however you can find endless videos of McCain being a prick when he was trying to become president and after).

Politics will always fail if parties are involved. Never expect anything good if you vote for someone who is part of a party.

Not exactly what I mean for the second part, but still a very poignant rebuttal on your part.

As for the first part, I was giving the obvious argument. My only point was that everyone is retarded and I see no reason to hate on one political party over another. Especially since, when you get right down to it, both the Reps and the Dems are very similar. Hate on people if you must, but not parties because someone may identify as one thing but believe something more practical.

 

[Kpt._Rob]

Oh geez. Yeah. And the religious radicals think he's the anti-Christ.

All fifteen of them.

All fifteen of them? Are you kidding me? See this is the problem I have, is that rational people like the majority of the Escapist's clientele (Liberal AND Conservative) believe they are in the majority, perhaps that is true in other countries, but not here in America. Here's another statistic, this from Sam Harris' book Letter to a Christian Nation, 44% of the American populace believes that the rapture will be coming in their lifetimes.

People, you should be scared. These two statistics are terrifying, and the reason they are terrifying is that they speak to the insanity that has begun to consume America. Think about the ramifications of almost half of Americans believing that the world will come to an end in their lifetimes, not only that, but that this end will be glorious and is something to be desired. That statistic alone should explain why it is so hard to pass environmental legislation here in America. And the fact that 58% of Republicans believe this birther conspiracy theory should scare the hell out of you too.

This is a genuine intelectual crisis. We need to open our eyes, because a sizable portion of our countrymen believe things that are absurd, things that are dangerous.

 

[Smokeydubbs]

Wow, when Republicans have opinions, why is it ok to bash us?

Fact-based criticism is not "bashing"

Unless you're saying the poll was flawed or biased, how is this 'bashing'?

I'm talking about the first few posts, the ones saying Republicans in general are stupid. Tell me who participated in the survey before you say ALL Republicans are dumb. I didn't do the survey, and all of the registered Republicans I know never did the survey. Who was the demographic other than "Republicans".

 

[NeutralDrow]

...aha! I get it now!

Congratulations, you actually got me. You're not that one guy with the mouse with a V mask as an avatar come back, are you? He's the last guy who successfully trolled me.

good sir, if there is one thing i cannot stand, it is a one sided arguement. i decided to turn this republican haters anonymous thread into something that has sort of a valid debate.

While I certainly agree that any sort of "haters anonymous" thread is undesirable (I don't agree with the Republicans on most things, but I at least try to make an effort towards moderation), the problem with that one is that it wasn't really a valid debate. The thing has actually been settled, the mocking is because the noted 42% are just ignoring all available evidence to the contrary. I feel the "debate" was more a chance to draw the screaming towards yourself. Something I've actually done, myself, but in less...politicized areas.

well, i do still find the refusal to provide the certificate to cook very interesting.

I can't imagine why. The "We've already discussed this, drop it already" method of settling court cases is a very well-established aspect of U.S. law. I think they call it "precedent."

 

[Jsnoopy]

Wow, when Republicans have opinions, why is it ok to bash us?

Because that is such an incredibly stupid thing to have an opinion on. How many scientists do you know have believe that gravity isn't real? If the rumor had any truth to it, I'm sure Republicans would have used it during the fucking campaign, not 6 months after in a desperate attempt to console their hopefully dieing party.