Only realised now why I dont like Nintendo

[Veldt Falsetto]

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Hold on a second, what? I feel like you've done that on purpose how about these incredibly popular wii games?

Do they look "GAY" to you?

Or what about these incredibly popular Xbox 360 and Ps3 titles?

and an unpopular "hardcore" title.

I refute the claims that Nintendo are doing it wrong and Xbox and Ps3 are doing it right. All 3 consoles have their great games and bad games.

I'm also not saying any of the games either of us have brought up are bad...but seriously as someone who ISN'T a Nintendo fan boy, I feel they get way too much hate for...well, very little really.

They're a company that has been around for over 25 years and they STILL make quality games, there aren't that many companies that can say that...not really.

 

[Snoozer]

To me it just seems that all complains about nintendo are: they do the same thing over and over again.
That sais nothing about the games themselves. People still play Tomb Raider, that has been up for years and is also always the same. Or the Assassins Creed series, not that much change here as well, or Halo. Same goes for all series and there are worse examples like Call of Duty, they develop a "new" game in every year and add pretty much nothing new.
Nintendo does nothing other developers don't do themselves and they managed to keep their games intersting over years.

 

[Sean951]

Yes, you have your opinion. Your opinion that the covers showing the protagonist standing firm, resolute, powerful - i.e. exactly the pose a strong hero should be adopting, a pose that is culturally and sociologically signifigant to a great degree and works as visual shorthand - is "gay".

But they all also look like the stereotypical hero. They are large, burly men with tons of training and typically very large weapons. Nintendo's 3 main heroes tend to be the everyman thrust into the limelight due to circumstance. You have Mario the plumber, Link the child in several, and a teenager with rudimentary sword skills in the others), and Samus, the bounty hunter. Samus is the only one that has serious combat training and begins the games with any significant experience. I suppose you could say Mario does, but his games aren't really about combat...

 

[Nomanslander]

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WIth some of those Sony titles there, all they're doing is trying to capitalize on the Nintendo market of gimmicky motion sensor casual games. Let's not forget the Kinnect and PS Move were inspired by the Wii. As for some of the "good" kid friendly games like Little Big Planet you posted. Well part of me thinks its a good thing games are still being made to cater to kids even though if I was still 8 I'd be all over Mass Effect or Skyrim sort even though I barely would understand half the stories and game mechanics. Also I think there should be a bit more "good" games made for kids now. But that's all that Nintendo does now, and they're not really good games they're just Nostalgic. And when they make games like Madworld, The Conduit, No More Heroes, or Red Steel (shitty games). All they're trying to do is cater to the PS3/360 audience and failing miserably at it.

 

[Sean951]

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WIth some of those Sony titles there, all they're doing is trying to capitalize on the Nintendo market of gimmicky motion sensor casual games. Let's not forget the Kinnect and PS Move were inspired by the Wii. As for some of the "good" kid friendly games like Little Big Planet you posted. Well part of me thinks its a good thing games are still being made to cater to kids even though if I was still 8 I'd be all over Mass Effect or Skyrim sort even though I barely would understand half the stories and game mechanics. Also I think there should be a bit more "good" games made for kids now. But that's all that Nintendo does now, and they're not really good games they're just Nostalgic. And when they make games like Madworld, The Conduit, No More Heroes, or Red Steel (shitty games). All they're trying to do is cater to the PS3/360 audience and failing miserably at it.

And what about Skyward Sword, Mario Galaxy, or the Metroid Prime series? They are all critically acclaimed, despite being "for kids. Escapist users even voted Skyward Sword as number 6 game of the year.

 

[Nomanslander]

Snipsters McGee.

Holy hell, every character in that second group of covers is in the exact same pose. That is either a weird coincidence, extremely lazy marketing executives, or the lamest government conspiracy imaginable.

OT: Nintendo could stand with creating more new IPs, but otherwise they can keep going until people get sick of it as far as I care.

Also funny he finds colorful covers gay but praises covers that are gray and look the same(and enforces how a stereotypical guy should look). Honestly i think he has it the other way around

Oh great, the grey argument! Can't go five feet without some guy that's just reverberating other peoples observations and criticism to make them selves sound smart and hide the fact they have no impressions of their own without haggling me over something dumb.

Truth be said those covers aren't really the best examples of what games those games great. Part of the division that made the box art intentions were to market to any gamer and nothing else. Yes, the cover to Skyrim is just black, but if you ever played the game you'd find the game world more flourishing with colors than a double sided rainbow.

Honestly it's all about the content. I will stand here and tell you I also have happen to love games like Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 9, and Little Big Planet.

But I will personally go out of my way to crap all over Nintendo because I know they're games really have no content. Mario, Zelda, and Samus have just become cardboard cut outs of themselves, catering to the Ritalin stricken audience or 30 year old rosy eyed Nostalgics that buy those games not because they're still good. But because its "OMG" Mario, its "OMG" Zelda, and its "OMG" Samus. And I personally hate everything they represent.

 

[D Moness]

Oh great, the grey argument! Can't go five feet without some guy that's just reverberating other peoples observations and criticism to make them selves sound smart and hide the fact they have no impressions of their own without haggling me over something dumb.

i said the COVERS were gray, i was not talking about the games. You can not tell me when you look at the covers the word gray does not pop into your mind. I mean i love the hell out of mass effect but the cover he posted is just dreadful

 

[Mr. Omega]

First off:

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And when they make games like Madworld, The Conduit, No More Heroes, or Red Steel (shitty games). All they're trying to do is cater to the PS3/360 audience and failing miserably at it.

Madworld: Made by Platinum Games, published by Sega
No More Heroes: Made by Grasshopper, published by Ubisoft
Red Steel: Made and published by Ubisoft.
Get your facts straight.

Also I think there should be a bit more "good" games made for kids now. But that's all that Nintendo does now, and they're not really good games they're just Nostalgic.

But I will personally go out of my way to crap all over Nintendo because I know they're games really have no content. Mario, Zelda, and Samus have just become cardboard cut outs of themselves, catering to the Ritalin stricken audience or 30 year old rosy eyed Nostalgics that buy those games not because they're still good. But because its "OMG" Mario, its "OMG" Zelda, and its "OMG" Samus. And I personally hate everything they represent.

1: Insults the games. Check.
2: Insults the people who play them. Check.
3: Talking about what a company "represents". Check.
4: Has an opinion on games that amounts to "Stop liking what I don't like, your opinion is wrong." Check.
Are you a PC Gamer by any chance?

I want you to think of two scenarios.

A: Hundreds of thousands of people really do enjoy crappy games, almost every single critic in the industry gives crappy games high scores simply because they are "RItalin stricken or 30 year old rose eyed nostalgics". Millions of people are just WRONG. And you are able to see through the nostalgia and can see that every single game Nintendo has ever made is objectively crap.

or

B: A company makes good games that happen to not appeal to you. And rather than accepting the fact that not every game company needs to make games that cater to you, you start going "This company makes bad games, and everyone who likes them is stupid!"

Which of these two scenarios seems more likely?

 

[Lunar Templar]

My only argument, I guess, is that when Nintendo milks a franchise, they at least aren't assholes about it, or they'll at least wait several years before taking another squeeze of the utter (see: OoT being released only every couple of years, as opposed to Call of Duty being released every year).

correct, this is why Zelda and Mario get a much bigger collective 'fan boy/girl' squee then Cod as well, they give people time to enjoy the game fully.

Plus, Nintendo games have massive replay value and, as someone else said, nostalgia attached to it. Despite having very similar mechanics, new games are still just as fun (for the most part) as previous ones, yet with entirely new levels and areas and such. Compared to Modern Warfare, which has a half-assed campaign and the *exact same multiplayer* as the previous iterations...I'd say that Nintendo is the least offensive culprit for IP-milking. Doesn't justify releasing OoT for the 7th time, but it at least makes it worth buying a second or third time (Yes, I think OoT was THAT good of a game, same with Star Fox 64).

couldn't agree more thanks for typing it out for me

 

[Veldt Falsetto]

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WIth some of those Sony titles there, all they're doing is trying to capitalize on the Nintendo market of gimmicky motion sensor casual games. Let's not forget the Kinnect and PS Move were inspired by the Wii. As for some of the "good" kid friendly games like Little Big Planet you posted. Well part of me thinks its a good thing games are still being made to cater to kids even though if I was still 8 I'd be all over Mass Effect or Skyrim sort even though I barely would understand half the stories and game mechanics. Also I think there should be a bit more "good" games made for kids now. But that's all that Nintendo does now, and they're not really good games they're just Nostalgic. And when they make games like Madworld, The Conduit, No More Heroes, or Red Steel (shitty games). All they're trying to do is cater to the PS3/360 audience and failing miserably at it.

Some yeah, Just Dance was originally a Wii game but EyePet was a franchise way before the Wii. There have always been these kind of games and saying that it's just a Nintendo thing is wrong. Little Big Planet 2 is actually my GOTY because it's so damn good and I'm glad it exists, it's something I'd love my kids to play and it's something I'd play with them.

The games I posted are some of the most popular Wii games, none of them were for kids. Zelda isn't really a kids game it's a family, Metroid Prime 3 is one brilliant game and one of the best FPS games this gen, No More Heroes was so good that it actually got a Ps3 and 360 port (without motion controls), Xenoblade Chronicles is named as one of the best JRPGs of this gen and "proof that the genre isn't dead" - quote from Edge magazine.

Yes Nintendo has done some pretty bad things but these aren't the only hardcore games on the console. The Wii and DS in my eyes have some brilliant games both for adults and for kids and so does the Xbox and Ps3. All 3 companies manage the same thing only Nintendo did it first with more recognisable mascots and gets all the crap for it.

 

[Chased]

Human beings have been rehashing the same stories for thousands of years. Whether it be the Hero's Journey, Tragic Love or the Creation Story, every tale at it's core comes from one of these three archetypes. The main character of a video game could be an elf garbed in green clothing or space marine with a plasma rifle, either way it's essentially the same yarn being spun with some aesthetic differences. Nintendo is an artisan of this craft. People speak about the company as if they're unaware that they've made a shit ton of Zelda games, I'm certain they know what they're doing.

 

[Nomanslander]

Has an opinion on games that amounts to "Stop liking what I don't like, your opinion is wrong." Check.

When exactly did I ever say that? I came to this thread just to express my opinion of why I hate Nintendo and now you're putting words into my word. True, things got a little hairy along the way but I'm not denying that either, and I apologize for it.

But if Nintendo is still your cup of tea, then that's fine by me. I still hate everything they represent today, and if you have a problem with that then maybe YOU'RE the one trying to impose what people should think.

Now try thinking about that for a second.....=/

When one person makes an accusation, check to be sure he himself is not the guilty one.

-Piers Anthony

 

[Atmos Duality]

Gaming has a love-hate relationship with Nintendo.

We love him because he's endured, and he's still Mario, but we hate him because....he's still just Mario.

 

[mb16]

*complain about the blandness/sameness of new FPS*
*buys every new mario/sonic game at release*

 

[SpaceBat]

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You do realize that you could say the same for an incredible amount of popular series, right? Many games within such series merely take what makes the previous so good and try to improve it and add a few new stuff here and there.

The point basically is that even though they're following a simple formula, they often spice it up enough to turn it into a fun and fresh experience, even if it's not mindblowingly innovative and/or different.

Speaking of Nintendo-related series, the Zelda series suffers from this "problem" a lot more than the Mario series.

But I will personally go out of my way to crap all over Nintendo because I know they're games really have no content. Mario, Zelda, and Samus have just become cardboard cut outs of themselves, catering to the Ritalin stricken audience or 30 year old rosy eyed Nostalgics that buy those games not because they're still good. But because its "OMG" Mario, its "OMG" Zelda, and its "OMG" Samus. And I personally hate everything they represent.

This is such a childish, flawed and ignorant post that I'm not sure whether you're actually THAT dense or just doing it on purpose.

 

[Lukeje]

So... you don't like Nintendo because they use a stable platform on which to innovate? At least they innovate.

 

[OldNewNewOld]

Fun facts that N haters like to ignore.

1. Nintendo was NEVER a hardcore console. It was always an entertainment system. They where always making games that will appeal to children from 1 to 101 years.

2. People buy Mario games because they want the Mario formula + 1. Same goes for any other franchise. People buy CoD because they want the CoD formula, Mass Effect because they want a Mass Effect, etc. If you change the main formula, it's not the same game.

3. Nintendo games have much bigger changes than you give them credit for. They usually just keep the core elements of the game. There will always be a Mario, Link and Samus. But the rest changes. Link will always have his trusty sword, Mario his jumping on top the the enemy and Samus her suit. If you change those parts, you can just rename the game and make a different game. Do you really want to tell me that the Wind Waker is the same game as Ocarina of Time? Or Skyward Sword?

The games will always be similar, but that's the point of a franchise.

5. Nintendo isn't milking their franchises to death (Mario more or less, but he's still fun in all his weird sport games). There is usually a 2-3 years between 2 Zelda titles, much more between Samus and around the same for main Mario titles. That's not milking. Milking is what Acitivision did with Guitar Hero (1 game very 9 months with no changes at all) and is trying to do with CoD games. 1 game per year. If we take all the CoD titles, than it's even more.
Milking is what Square Enix said they are going to do with the FF franchise. 1 per year.

Nintendo take some time to make the games. The time between 2 titles is enough for people to really want to play a new title in the series.

7. Not every title needs to be "the next definition of 'creative' ". Games are for fun. If you have fun playing a game, then that game was worth it. I don't want every game to be some piece of art worth to be in the Louvre. I prefer my games to give me a lot of fun during and after my playtrough.

8. Nintendo did more innovation than Sony and MS together. They at least try to innovate. Going for innovation isn't a guaranteed successe, nor does it guarantee to be a good innovation. But Nintendo at least tries. Sony and MS just copy Nintendo when they see it's successful.

9. Motion Controls are a great, positive innovation. 3D isn't an innovation on it's own, but it's a nice try to bring something "new" to console games (PC had this option thanks to nVidia).

10. You didn't notice I skipped 4 and 6.

 

[LightGiver]

You got to remember Mario is just one franchise and is targeted to KIDS.

The younger foke do not remember the old gameboy and NES days. Each gaming platform of Nintendo makes sure to have it's own mario game off the bat to attract a NEW generation of kids to their brand.

 

[gyroc1]

I saw a comment saying that says that Nintendo developers drop features for the next game and I remember an episode of Extra Credits that mentioned that every game dev has to drop those last minute features in order to actually finish the game and to keep the game polished.
I assume the adding the new features to the next game thing would then come from wanting to use that idea that you came up with.

I really hope they aren't excluding features just because they don't want to give up the goods too soon.