Open-carry activist treated nicely by police; proceeds to antagonize officer

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CrazyCapnMorgan

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Susan Arendt said:
CrazyCapnMorgan said:
Susan Arendt said:
Most gun owners are perfectly reasonable people. And then some are like this asshat.
I think it's more "most people are perfectly reasonable people"; owning a weapon of any sort doesn't make you any different of a person. Characteristics and personality traits of people should supercede whatever weapon they own/carry in these instances, then things like this would cease (one would hope) to be sensational.

Otherwise...

*stares at avatar*

I. Agree. With. This. Post. (*.*)
Well, yes, obviously, but gun owners frequently get painted as nutbars looking for a fight, in part because of people like this guy.
Isn't that pretty consistant of ever-

Bentusi16 said:
Susan Arendt said:
Well, yes, obviously, but gun owners frequently get painted as nutbars looking for a fight, in part because of people like this guy.
And gamers get painted as anti-social misogynistic pricks etc. etc. :p It blows but nearly every group in the world has a public face represented by extremist and the nutbars.

Though I do absolutely agree that your particular example is a truth. Not that I've ever had an issue with it since I've always lived in areas where most people own weapons and hunt.
....nevermind, this right here. I believe the bigger issue here, and one that often gets ignored in the face of the sensationalism of certain aspects, is that the stigma of groups are defined by the less refined people that associate themselves with said groups.

In short, George Carlin said it best when he said, "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."
 

Susan Arendt

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CrazyCapnMorgan said:
Susan Arendt said:
CrazyCapnMorgan said:
Susan Arendt said:
Most gun owners are perfectly reasonable people. And then some are like this asshat.
I think it's more "most people are perfectly reasonable people"; owning a weapon of any sort doesn't make you any different of a person. Characteristics and personality traits of people should supercede whatever weapon they own/carry in these instances, then things like this would cease (one would hope) to be sensational.

Otherwise...

*stares at avatar*

I. Agree. With. This. Post. (*.*)
Well, yes, obviously, but gun owners frequently get painted as nutbars looking for a fight, in part because of people like this guy.
Isn't that pretty consistant of ever-

Bentusi16 said:
Susan Arendt said:
Well, yes, obviously, but gun owners frequently get painted as nutbars looking for a fight, in part because of people like this guy.
And gamers get painted as anti-social misogynistic pricks etc. etc. :p It blows but nearly every group in the world has a public face represented by extremist and the nutbars.

Though I do absolutely agree that your particular example is a truth. Not that I've ever had an issue with it since I've always lived in areas where most people own weapons and hunt.
....nevermind, this right here. I believe the bigger issue here, and one that often gets ignored in the face of the sensationalism of certain aspects, is that the stigma of groups are defined by the less refined people that associate themselves with said groups.

In short, George Carlin said it best when he said, "I love and treasure individuals as I meet them, I loathe and despise the groups they identify with and belong to."
Yes, I know. I said it myself:

Susan Arendt said:
Zachary Amaranth said:
Susan Arendt said:
Most gun owners are perfectly reasonable people. And then some are like this asshat.
Sadly, there are asshats in all walks of life.
Very, very true. These kinds of people get the attention, and then paint the entire community with their shenanigans. It's why people think gamers are all hateful, misogynistic jerks who can't function in normal society - because the asshats are loud and get a lot of attention.

This guy isn't a gun advocate, he's just a jerk.
 

2fish

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Bentusi16 said:
Susan Arendt said:
All this stuff
Oops ;( I totally missed that. Sorry for restating your point.

I must now go and commit honorable Sudoku.
Read her title.... she is the Nerd Queen! She gets to decide your fate.

She will probably be kind it is usually Kross that has to be feared.
 

TSKerns1956

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I am new to here and I don't want to make enemies right off the bat. But as I see it the Police Officer is responding to a call "from a concerned citizen" about someone who may be carrying an automatic weapon. In response to that call he needs to verify the weapon's status. as he points out and the man agrees to, it does look like an automatic weapon.

Is he allowed to take the word of the owner as sufficient proof in response to the call that brought him out in the first place? that is all I am asking.

I think he is a very polite police officer.
 

Overusedname

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*Looks over thread*

So, we're all gonna act like walking around with a gun in the open in a populated area ISN'T enough reason to be approached by cops? Or hell, arrested on sight? Good to know. Finland sounds like a nice place. I hope open carry is never even entertained as a rational concept in my state. To put it bluntly, no. There is not a conversation to be had. You don't walk around with a gun in plain sight and expect it to be alright.

Blah blah 4th amendment. Nifty. Times change. I'm tired of people only responding AFTER the death occurs. Concealed or nothing.
 

TechNoFear

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ravenshrike said:
Without an articulable suspicion that the gun may be full-auto the cop has no authority to perform a Terry stop(what this effectively was under the law).
Strange, because in the video the officer clearly articulates his reasons for detaining the individual...
 

DugMachine

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Us pro gun people aren't all wannabe macho jerks okay.

u guise
stahp

But seriously, people like this should have their guns taken away. Us responsible gun owners don't need this bad rep.
 

BrassButtons

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Overusedname said:
So, we're all gonna act like walking around with a gun in the open in a populated area ISN'T enough reason to be approached by cops? Or hell, arrested on sight?
Why should not breaking the law be a reason for cops to arrest someone?

To put it bluntly, no. There is not a conversation to be had. You don't walk around with a gun in plain sight and expect it to be alright.
Why not?

I'm tired of people only responding AFTER the death occurs.
So instead we should respond before anything has happened at all?

Concealed or nothing.
So you're fine with people carrying guns around in public, you just don't want to be aware of it?
 

Overusedname

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BrassButtons said:
Overusedname said:
So, we're all gonna act like walking around with a gun in the open in a populated area ISN'T enough reason to be approached by cops? Or hell, arrested on sight?
Why should not breaking the law be a reason for cops to arrest someone?

To put it bluntly, no. There is not a conversation to be had. You don't walk around with a gun in plain sight and expect it to be alright.
Why not?

I'm tired of people only responding AFTER the death occurs.
So instead we should respond before anything has happened at all?

Concealed or nothing.
So you're fine with people carrying guns around in public, you just don't want to be aware of it?
People need to be aware of other human beings if they live in a society. If you think being worried about a guy walking down the street with a rifle in plain view is childish or paranoid, then well...I don't know what to say to that, other than the fact that my sub-burb is not a war zone.

There are three clear reasons to do this: He wants to scare the fuck out of people and make them stay away, he's going to kill someone, or he's doing this to raise a stink like this guy did. If another reason exists, it evidently isn't clear to the average citizen considering the fact that people will typically run from a gunman or get down on their knees if they so much as see one.

Carrying around a RIFLE in a ready position is more likely to be a potential communication of 'I'm about to shoot people'. Concealed carriers usually say they never want to use their weapon; it's for protection. A gun is not a Ferrari. You don't flaunt it.

Even if there's some way of justifying the behavior, it's going to send a different message to people. If 'someone's gonna die' is not the intended message, that's real spiffy. Miscommunication will still happen, panic will still happen, and to the average human being this has been made clear.

If you want a gun, fine. Show the world you acknowledge what a gun is and what it does. There's a reason pro-gun peeps are complaining about this guy more that pacifists. He gives their argument a bad name, as a responsible gun-owner acknowledges how threatening the gun they have is. This man clearly did not, or if he did, he didn't care.

This man's actions might just increase gun control, ironically. Pro-gun people where complaining about how this provides ample ammo (damn puns, I must oust thee) for people for gun control. Because even they will say this was a stupid and reckless thing to do. Not every legal action is a safe one, and not everyone views the world the same way. And when the threat of death comes into it, anyone on either side needs to act with maturity and maximum safety.