Operation Krampus? Is this really a thing?

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Gethsemani_v1legacy

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Darks63 said:
By shady business I'm assuming that the devs are still using the "give good scores or no more review copies for you!" business practice.
For a more in-depth answer check out the Jimquisition [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/9782-Shadow-of-Mordors-Promotion-Deals-with-Plaid-Social], Sterling covers it better than I will do here and it is well worth a watch.

Basically, in order to even receive a review copy of SoM, you had to agree to a contract that pretty much forced you to only say/write good things about SoM, to highlight its' "unique" features a specific number of times and you could not discuss or show any bugs in your review. And some other stuff. If GamerGate was about journalistic integrity and ethical behavior, they would have pounced on this like a cat on mice, because it is everything that's wrong with publisher-reviewer relations in gaming today. But they remained quiet about this entire thing, while going after yet another female (big surprise!) indie developer.
 

Jux

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IceForce said:
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IceForce said:
And on top of that, they've come up with disdainful and silly names for the women they don't like, to avoid calling them by their real names. ("Literally Who", etc.)
So far, no MEN have been labelled with any names like this.

And they claim they're not 'anti-women'.
That was somthing that struck me a couple of days ago. And I had meant to bring it up in another thread, but got distracted and forgot about it. How is it that a movement so vocal about not being anti women is completely fine with renaming two women in a very dehumanizing way? 'Literally Who?' and 'Literally Who 2?'. Those women have actual names gg'ers, it doesn't asuage anyones concerns that ya'll have issues with women when you 'literally' dehumanize women.
They're also calling Brianna Wu "Literally Wu".

So yeah, it is only the women they do this to.
Does that count as racism, or just being incredibly tacky with their naming conventions?
 

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Damn this controversy.

I came here to see something cool featuring a Krampus, my favourite Christmas-affiliated Satyr-like demon. Instead I get more of the echo chamber.
 

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Jux said:
Ah, I see. I could address your points one at a time, but it seems kind of pointless since I basically already gave you the answers, but you prefer to misconstrue what I said. So I wont bother to do it a second time. Have fun with your little thread about something that isn't really a thing but totally merits outrage about how terrible GamerGate is somehow because they totally do that thing that isn't a thing.
 

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Jux said:
That was somthing that struck me a couple of days ago. And I had meant to bring it up in another thread, but got distracted and forgot about it. How is it that a movement so vocal about not being anti women is completely fine with renaming two women in a very dehumanizing way? 'Literally Who?' and 'Literally Who 2?'. Those women have actual names gg'ers, it doesn't asuage anyones concerns that ya'll have issues with women when you 'literally' dehumanize women.
Well, when Gamergate began, people kept complaining that it wasn't about journalism but just about hating women, and kept coming back to Quinn (and Sarkeesian after she released her video).
The "literally-who" was basically a reaction to that, to show that actually Gamergate was moving way beyond the initial anger at "Quinnspiracy" and didn't specifically care about these specific persons (my personal opinion is indeed that they're at best a small part of the whole thing). In other words, it was a (probably botched) attempt at demonstrating it wasn't about women but other issues.
Just goes to show you can't win and people will complain, whatever you do. Still, I understand how confusing or weird it looks to people coming in late.

As for me, if anyone is bored enough to check my last 6 weeks posting history, I've never used that label and stuck to "Quinn" or "Sarkeesian" - or at times "ZQ" and "AS" -, because I wasn't convinced by the replacement label, though I understand a bit the reason it came up. I still always prefer to mention people by name rather than indirectly, personally, whatever others think - both GG crowd who'd like to just not having to talk about these 2-3 persons anymore and wrongly think the label will be enough to convince others of this intent, and Stop-GG crowd who will think I indeed am a misogynist pig since I've mentioned Quinn and Sarkeesian a few times.
 

Jux

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Random Gamer said:
Still, I understand how confusing or weird it looks to people coming in late.
Thing is though, I'm not coming in late, I was posting in the 'gaming journalism exposed as feminist hugbox' thread when it was still in R&P, before the mods even moved it to off topic. Been here from Day 1. And it's not particularly confusing, I know why they did it, I'm just saying if they wanted to convey (truthfully) that this wasn't about Quinn or Sarkeesian, they could have a) acknowledged that it was wrong to drag Quinn's personal life through the mud b) acknowledged that Sarkeesian had absolutely nothing to do with this at all and apologized for dragging her into this mess and c) actually focused on 'journalistic integrity' instead of going on wild goose chases.

Trying to white wash things and just saying 'oh, this isn't about them' when it clearly was about them is disingenuous. This is part of the reason why the gg movement is getting painted with the 'woman hating' brush (all other harassment since then aside, which is equally important in why that label continues to stick).
 

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GGers are nothing but absolutely insane ambitious when it comes to this. I like what you had said Jux, AAA publishers finding a new market to avoid these kinds of gamer, but I'm guesing it wouldn't happen, despite all the wishes for AAA to be more creative rather than add nice pretty graphics and make things more customizable in multiplayer and yada yada yada. I was kind of afraid GG would carry onto the New Year, seems like they were planning much the same.
 

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Zeconte said:

Zec help me out here your logic has me confused. I mean I have not liked Sarah Palin since 2008, does that make me a misogynist? Or Miley Cyrus since the hair cut and bad behavior. Boy my misogyny is off the scale I guess....

So GG cannot talk about them, or something that put them back in the news because to you or others it confirms that they are the sole crux of the whole thing? Even though every week has been a news cycle where they have again been thrown into the news cycle by the journalists? So GG cannot have a negative opinion on Zoe or Anita because it proves they are misogynists and hate all women ,or just that they really do not like THOSE two women?