Opinions on Abortion
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Your definitive stance is unjustified. If it's not human as a sperm, and not human as a zygote, nothing changes at late term.unabomberman post=18.71945.742639 said:
I believe it's the woman's right to choose what happens to her body. I know I'd get an abortion if I found myself pregnant, because aside from the fact that the idea of actually having a child inside of me, then birth isn't particularly appealing, I'm far from up to caring for one. Hell, I know women who are scared shitless of having children.
That said, I believe that there should be greater support options given to those who choose to keep the child, along with support given to the father of it too, as he bears quite the emotional strain in most cases, with rapes etc being exceptions to that rule due to the 'hatecrime' thing.
That said, I believe that there should be greater support options given to those who choose to keep the child, along with support given to the father of it too, as he bears quite the emotional strain in most cases, with rapes etc being exceptions to that rule due to the 'hatecrime' thing.
I think you've misunderstood it, the controversy at the moment is that Abortion is still listed as a criminal act in Victoria which parliament is going to remove from the crimes act and the pro-lifers are threatening a double-dissolution on the topic. Personally I think its scary how the majority of the pro-life movement are so fanatical and almost violent with their actions.Cab00se206 post=18.71945.742334 said:
I suppose it could be a symptom of Aussie sports violence given AFL is winding up next week.
(Australia has sports related violence, but unlike the British Soccer riot, downunder we only riot when there is no sport on.)
I'm Pro-Choice, or as Conservapedia calls it: A baby-hating LIE-beral pawn of Satan. I have several reasons, mainly the CHOICE part of it. I believe that people are allowed to make these massive life changing decisions without being lynched by mob of nutters, there are many situations where abortion may be a painful but necessary compromise. I also prefer pro-choice because its not like we hear about pro-choice fanatics firebombing fertility clinics and maternity wards... My final point is I pretty much hate conservatives and the Religious right the same way they pretty much hate me and my open, agnostic views.
I'm pro choice. I think that a woman has the right to do with her own body as she feels. The problem is the media would have you believe that just because someone is pro choice, that automatically makes them pro abortion. Obviously adoption would be a better alternative, but hey at least there's still stem cell research...
i asked this subject at my family gathering and everyone there is catholic and they all yelled at me for bringing up the subject
I look at it this way. Say a woman has a tapeworm (stick with me on this), and lets it grow inside of her for, say, 9 months. And at the end of 9 months (per example), she either craps it out at home, or goes to a hospital to get it removed.
Now, if she finds out about it BEFORE 9 months is up, and goes to the doctors to have its tiny, one celled brains scrambled and then get it sucked out of her, nobody bats an eye. In fact, people may even congratulate her on making it through something like that without any long-term effects (save the whole "worm pulled out of your backside part").
Now, what can be compared to tapeworms?
Babies.
I mean think about it, they are both put into her body by a piece of meat (in most cases), they both spend all that time in her, sharing her food, getting bigger, making her throw up in the morning, what have you. About the only difference is that tapeworms don't kick.
So let me ask this, if a baby is more or less the same thing as a tapeworm, why is it considered such a bad thing to have it removed? Hell, I'd even go so far as to say it's better. After all, you don't need to take care of a tapeworm once it's out.
Of course, I find that Maddox also has a valid position on the matter.
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Now, if she finds out about it BEFORE 9 months is up, and goes to the doctors to have its tiny, one celled brains scrambled and then get it sucked out of her, nobody bats an eye. In fact, people may even congratulate her on making it through something like that without any long-term effects (save the whole "worm pulled out of your backside part").
Now, what can be compared to tapeworms?
Babies.
I mean think about it, they are both put into her body by a piece of meat (in most cases), they both spend all that time in her, sharing her food, getting bigger, making her throw up in the morning, what have you. About the only difference is that tapeworms don't kick.
So let me ask this, if a baby is more or less the same thing as a tapeworm, why is it considered such a bad thing to have it removed? Hell, I'd even go so far as to say it's better. After all, you don't need to take care of a tapeworm once it's out.
Of course, I find that Maddox also has a valid position on the matter.
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I'm pro-choise as long as there is a set timeline for when the abortion must be carried out. I'd rather a barely developed embryo be removed than a fetus, if that makes any since. I'm not very knowledgable about the levels of baby development, but I'm pro choice as long as its early on.
I hate the rabid all-or-nothing politicization of this particular issue.
Any "worldview" (hey, look, a dog-whistle word!) that treats a blastula as morally equivalent to a person is ridiculously out of touch with reality.
It's stupid to draw the line at birth, too. The brain doesn't turn on the moment a child passes through the birth canal.
"Drawing lines" at all is pretty misguided. Consciousness just doesn't start up in an instant. Human development is a gradual process. How we treat a developing human needs to be much more refined than just "tissue" one moment and "person" the next -- notice how, outside the world of abortion debates, there are actually all kinds of categories in between those two.
When it comes to the ballot, I tend to favor "pro-choice" policies simply because "pro-life" measures cluster around a very extreme end of the spectrum.
-- Alex
Any "worldview" (hey, look, a dog-whistle word!) that treats a blastula as morally equivalent to a person is ridiculously out of touch with reality.
It's stupid to draw the line at birth, too. The brain doesn't turn on the moment a child passes through the birth canal.
"Drawing lines" at all is pretty misguided. Consciousness just doesn't start up in an instant. Human development is a gradual process. How we treat a developing human needs to be much more refined than just "tissue" one moment and "person" the next -- notice how, outside the world of abortion debates, there are actually all kinds of categories in between those two.
When it comes to the ballot, I tend to favor "pro-choice" policies simply because "pro-life" measures cluster around a very extreme end of the spectrum.
-- Alex
I don't care about abortion laws because as a man I'm never going to have one personally and I don't have any problem morally with the act, in fact I don't care if the abortionist just stood outside and clubed the babies head on the way out like an infant version of whack-a-mole.
This is an issue for the pregnant woman and whomever they are with at the time (if anyone). No one else has the right to decide what a woman does with her body, least of all men and religious groups. Yes, I'm a man, and was nearly aborted before birth, but my mother decided adoption was a better bet. I've been told repeatedly that I should be antiabortion, but logic dictates that I can't be. As a man, I have no qualifications to say what a woman goes through when she is pregnant. If she feels that aborting the pregnancy (I refuse to classify it as a child, because medical science shows otherwise. It is non-sentient, just a collection of cells) is her best choice, then that is her business, not that of any god bothers or morals and values crowd (who also seem to have none of what they preach).
[Edit for incredibly poor taste joke. No more forumming after pub crawls for me.]
[Edit for incredibly poor taste joke. No more forumming after pub crawls for me.]
I agree for the infinity of time and space, although by the third trimester the idea of abortion is too creepy to be legal.ThaBenMan post=18.71945.742129 said:
Third trimester is when it starts to look like a baby and not like a lizard monster, right? Ladies? Help.
Almost, its like a really deformed mutant, like what someone would draw/sculpt if they'd never seen a human before and only heard a description of their appearance. If your willing to lose your stomach contents, some of the more "aggressive" pro-life websites have thousands of photos of dead fetuses from the third trimester, if only to provide further evidence of their warped psyches.Copter400 post=18.71945.743406 said:
It should be mandatory, really. People should need a license in order to breed. I think the window should also be expanded until about the, oh, 30 year mark? That way if you get someone who's "just not working out" you can get rid of them and try again!
Seriously. There are already enough people who should not have children having children, last you need to do is make it impossible for the ones who have the common sense to say "Hey, this might not be a good idea, I can't support this kid!" to avoid it.
Seriously. There are already enough people who should not have children having children, last you need to do is make it impossible for the ones who have the common sense to say "Hey, this might not be a good idea, I can't support this kid!" to avoid it.
You make a good point there Deceased Frederick. Actually an idea like yours would cut down on foetual alchol syndrome. I've seen so many kids whose mothers kept knocking back beers, its depressing to see so many in my town. Such an easy thing to avoid but no, they want their kids to be born with congenital defects.