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This topic came about through me watching Highlander with a group of friends. I personally LOVE the film, its got everything; sci-fi, fantasy, sword fighting and Sean Connery. Whats not to love? I admit the sequels were an abomination against mankind but the first Highlander film was great. After we watched it, a couple of people said it was good but many of my friends said it was one of the worst films they've ever seen, some saying it was THE worst film they've ever seen. Now, i'm a film studies student and have also seen a shit-ton of movies so I know Highlander isn't the best film of all time but I just can't understand people hating it seeing movies like Baby Geniuses and Son of The Mask exist, its just unfathomable to me.

So Escapists, what opinions have you heard that have just completely shocked you? Opinions that just make you so angry, you feel like punching a kitten. Opinions so stupid that- Well, you get the idea...

EDIT: As people pointed out, don't let this thread turn into random arguments. I may find it incredibly hard to understand why someone could hate Highlander, but I'm sure someone could also find it incredibly hard to understand why I like some of the movies I do. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, I just wanted to find some of the strangest ones out there.
 

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Yah! These threads never devolve into people arguing against each other because one person says X and the other person says Y!

I might as well start it off with something non-controversial: I'm absolutely baffled that anyone thinks that pirating is an OK thing to do. I've gotten into plenty of discussions here about it and I STILL don't get why people think it's OK (Please see post #10 of mine below before the pro-pirate crowd gets their pitch-forks out)...

I suppose to balance it out, I might as well put something in that is wicked controversial here: Puppies are cute!

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=4&gs_ri=psy-ab&cp=7&gs_id=r&xhr=t&q=cute+puppies&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&bvm=bv.42661473,d.aWc&biw=1440&bih=809&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=ZwYkUZajKuHhygG-4YDABQ

I should probably get behind my flame shield now with such a drastic opinion like that.

EDIT: Since some people either are ignoring post #10 or not going to it, I'll put it here in nice and plain English: I will NOT respond to piracy debate in this thread. I have counter arguments to those that have been thrown at me but that is not what this thread is about. If you wish to argue piracy with me, do so with either a PM or create a thread and invite me to it.
 

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Spot1990 said:
tippy2k2 said:
I might as well start it off with something non-controversial: I'm absolutely baffled that anyone thinks that pirating is an OK thing to do. I've gotten into plenty of discussions here about it and I STILL don't get why people think it's OK...
EDIT: Have I been Poe'd?
You have been wicked Poe'd :p

In just about every one of these kinds of threads, I always seem to get their first and state my piracy view every time. After having it completely explode in my face so many times, I thought I'd have a bit of fun with it this time.

In your defense, I added more to the post (calling my love of cute puppies wicked controversial) before you posted this so it is understandable :)
 

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I like these threads, good for letting off steam.

Anyway, I disagree with anyone who thinks smoking is a good thing, it puzzles me how people can defend smoking. There isn't a good reason to do it in the first place and there are always alternatives for stress relief. Anyone who is unfortunate enough (Or stupid enough in the case that people think it's "cool" to smoke.) to get hooked I implore you to quit as it serves no good at all.


tippy2k2 said:
I might as well start it off with something non-controversial: I'm absolutely baffled that anyone thinks that pirating is an OK thing to do. I've gotten into plenty of discussions here about it and I STILL don't get why people think it's OK...
What about the grey areas tippy? Like if someone buys it first, then torrents it to avoid DRM and stuff like that. Surely then you would find it acceptable. Heck I even think if it's not available or under a region lock in your country then it's the publishers fault. It happened with my copy of Baldur's gate: tales of the sword coast. Bought the Baldur's gate 4 pack off Amazon brand new, it was region locked to new Zealand or something like that, outrageous! So I had to find a patch, when that failed I had no choice but to torrent a copy of the expansion and was finally able to play the product I had paid for.
 

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About 50% of the things in R&P. I'd rather not go down the list because that's a can of worms I'd like to keep shut.
 

krazykidd

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Inb4 people bring religion into off-topic discussion . I'm so glad i won't be here to see that .

OT: i can't believe people think their opinions matter . Periode . Yes your opinion is important , but it doesn't matter . Only thing that does matter is fact . But that's just my opinion.
 

tippy2k2

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lRookiel said:
What about the grey areas tippy? Like if someone buys it first, then torrents it to avoid DRM and stuff like that. Surely then you would find it acceptable. Heck I even think if it's not available or under a region lock in your country then it's the publishers fault. It happened with my copy of Baldur's gate: tales of the sword coast. Bought the Baldur's gate 4 pack off Amazon brand new, it was region locked to new Zealand or something like that, outrageous! So I had to find a patch, when that failed I had no choice but to torrent a copy of the expansion and was finally able to play the product I had paid for.
Careful Rookie...that's getting dangerously close to debate :)

However, since I like your face so much, I will go ahead and answer this. However, if you would wish to continue discussing piracy and my view points for some reason, let's either PM or build a new thread for it. Deal? Actually, same for everyone here. If for some reason you MUST know more about my view on piracy (or attempt to change my view but I can pretty much guarantee I've heard it before), do not put it in this thread for I will not respond here. The OP's thread deserves the opportunity to not get bogged down in debate...

I agree that there are grey areas (and my view point on piracy HAS actually softened from some debate I've had with people so if someone here knows they've debated this with me, know this; I have actually considered your arguments. I used to believe that no piracy no matter what if that helps inform the changes I've made in my stance). Just to clear it all up, I'll just put my opinion on piracy here:

There are only a few select exceptions to my "no piracy" rule (I still haven't and will never pirate even with these exceptions but I don't frown upon those that do when these exceptions arise).

Tippy2k2's "Acceptable Piracy time"

1. The product in question is at least two generations back AND is not available on a digital download service (like XBLA, Steam, Nintendo Virtual Network, etc.) or gains a re-release. Two generations back right now would be PS1/N64/Dreamcast era.

IF the product becomes available on a digital download service/re-release, you should delete your pirated copy and purchase the now-available product if you get the hankering to play the game again. You do not have to purchase the game if you don't ever play it again.

2. If the product in question is not available in your region due to a Publisher's decision, you must give them a year to rectify this. If they announce that it will be coming to you within a year, it is no longer a justified piracy. If you pirate it and they do release it after the year expires, same rule applies here as it did for digital services/re-release.

3. Unknown DRM that breaks the game. I don't think I'v ever seen this before but just in case it has happened, I'll include it. If Assassins Creed did not tell you that you had to always be online, that would be a justified piracy. However, because AC told you about the DRM, that is an accepted risk that you must now carry. If the AC servers go down, tough luck. You knew the bed you were getting into when you bought the game.

I don't think I've skipped one of my "justified piracy" points so in my mind, these are the only times where you could justify to me why you've pirated (as if my opinion is going to stop a pirate...).

Tippy2k2's most common questions!

"But Tippy2k2, you blond sex God of a man, what if you disagree with the DRM?"

I don't care. If you disagree with the DRM, let the company know by writing them a letter. If it bothers you SO much that you can't play the game, don't play the game. Vote with your wallet kind of thing here...

"But Tippy2k2, the perfect example of 'men want to be him and the ladies want to be with him', I wouldn't have bought the game anyway so why does it matter?"

Gaming is not a right; it's entertainment. If you are unwilling to pay for content, you do not get content. If you can not afford content, wait for it to drop in price. If you're so broke that you can't afford the game when it drops to $10, you need to re-evaluate the fact that you own a $300 console...

"But Tippy2k2, the most brilliant man of our generation, what about the statistics that state that pirates buy the most stuff?"

This is one aspect where I may change my tune but no one has been able to answer this and until they do, I'm doubtful of that claim: Besides for studies where they ASK pirates what their spending habits are, what studies show this? Every study I have seen that claims this have always been surveys and no offense guys, but I'm not going to take a pirate at his word when it comes to pirating...

"But Tippy2k2, you perfect male specimen, the developer didn't release a demo and I want to make sure I like the game!"

If the Publisher for whatever reason has chosen not to supply a demo, that does not give a person permission to make their own. We have so much information at our disposal nowadays that unless you're just blindly buying everything, you should know if you'll like it or not. Reviews, forums, "Let's Plays", videos; if you can't figure out if you'll like a game based on all the info we have, you're not researching right. Along with that, when do you decide the demo is over? Is one hour a long enough time to decide? Well...maybe a bit longer cause you haven't seen everything in the game-play. Is two hours long enough? Eh, I'm still not 100% sold. Oh, four hours in and I'm halfway through? I guess it's not worth it to me to buy it cause I've decided that I've seen all the cool stuff and won't be seeing more.

"But Tippy2k2, the man who invades my dreams at night, I want to make sure the game works on my system before I put down my money!"

There are multiple websites that will check your system to see if it can handle the game. Now, I recognize that the minimum requirements are not always right and those websites can make mistakes but...this will sound cold-blooded... tough. That's a risk you run in the PC gaming world. If you don't like the risk, wait for the price to drop to something that is acceptable.

"But Tippy2k2, you swift man of action, the industry is broken and we need to show them that we won't take it!"

Yes, the system is broken. However, you pirating everything is only breaking it more. You're not showing the big bad Publishers that you're not going to take their business practices, you're demonstrating to them that they need to apply more pressure to the choke-hold they have on consumers. This goes back to my earlier point; if everyone who was unhappy with EA's business practices wrote them a letter and chose not to purchase the next few games, EA would either change the way they do business or they might just plain sink.

Frankly, I don't know enough about your particular example to tell you if I thought it is alright or not but hopefully my guide will let you know :) Also, the Amazon.com thing is something I'm not familiar with so that may be a wrinkle that I've just never considered and never had to consider.

Also, I don't believe that pirates are bad people. I don't like the actions they are taking and I think it hurts the industry but that doesn't make them monsters.

EDIT: You know what, I kind of like Tippy2k2's guide to piracy. I like this so much that I've added...well....a lot to it now and intend to just have this as a nice sticky note in my computer somewhere :)

Info added at 5:30pm on February 20th if you were wondering for some reason...

EDIT #2: thisismyusernamek asked a few questions in a PM that I thought I covered but evidently did not. I have added those questions and my responses to my guide. Thank you as well to everyone who has PMed me with questions/suggestions and a special thanks for not just flooding my inbox with hate mail :)

Info added at 11:00 am on February 24th if you were wondering for some reason...
 

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The Walking Dead season 2 being good TV. Season 1 is average, season 3 is great, but Christ, season 2 drags on for hours with nothing happening. I wouldn't be surprised if it could've been made in half the episodes if they tried. All that happens in that season is insufferable characters act like morons on a farm. It's 12 episodes of nothing except for stupid characters being angry at other stupid characters.

[sub][sub]inb4 political or religious opinions that start a massive argument. [/sub][/sub]
 

Arakasi

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That making food spicy somehow improves it.
It really doesn't, it just gives your tounge pain.
I mean, unless it's just to cover up a bad taste, what's the point?

[sub][sub]Inb4ing is super lame. Seriously.[/sub][/sub]
 

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I don't understand really charged opinions about things that don't really matter. I get that people don't like something, and I've come to accept that they might do that despite my opinion to the contrary. However, if they start giving it the "Worst film ever made" stuff all I can think is that they've really not seen that many films. And if people are actually going to get physically angry about it then I just really don't get what's going on any more.
 

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ShinyCharizard said:
Every opinion that doesn't align with my own.
That's a little closed minded don't you think? I understand the opinion that there is a God. I don't it's right and fueled by a lot of bias. But I do understand it.
 

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Eddie the head said:
ShinyCharizard said:
Every opinion that doesn't align with my own.
That's a little closed minded don't you think? I understand the opinion that there is a God. I don't it's right and fueled by a lot of bias. But I do understand it.
I'm not being serious :) I was just overly directly answering the topic question
 

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tippy2k2 said:
'm absolutely baffled that anyone thinks that pirating is an OK thing to do.
This. I mean fucking seriously, it might not be "Theft" or "Stealing" but in MOST cases (no downloading a sega megadrive emulator isnt stealing or harmful) its taking something from someone against their will without reimbursing them for it. Its almost like they are your slave and are expected to work for whatever scraps you choose to throw/not throw at them. As if the creator has no right to decide what happens to their work. The second they are finished and their pen leaves canvas you just saunter over, spit in their eye, take it by force and demand more. Its arrogant and disgusting. It definitely 100% makes you an asshole except in some exhonorating circumstances.

Creationism. If youre a creationist im gonna think less of you. Sorry mate but its just too ridiculous and silly for me to ever possible understand how you can think like you do. Ive NEVER met a person who understood evolution and rejected it ever never ever. I dont think its a valid opinion. Its wrong. Your opinion, in this case, is wrong. End of story.
 

Eddie the head

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ShinyCharizard said:
Eddie the head said:
ShinyCharizard said:
Every opinion that doesn't align with my own.
That's a little closed minded don't you think? I understand the opinion that there is a God. I don't it's right and fueled by a lot of bias. But I do understand it.
I'm not being serious :) I was just overly directly answering the topic question
Oh, Ok. I guess I didn't get that. I'm stupid ignore me.
 

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Personally I don't understand how people view drug taking as morally bad. Apart from religious people, but even then I don't see why god would have such a big problem with it.