Origin Devs respond with Why Origin is not optional for ME 3

[lapan]

At least valve doesn't ban you for using their forums or contacting support for legitimate reasons.

Neither does EA.
You are misinformed.

http://www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Forum-Bans-Resulting-Origin-Account-Content-Deletion-36996.html

Orgin Bans can and did easily happen because of mistakes or misunderstandings and will cost all the access to the games. As for contacting support, there have been multiple issues of EA support simply hanging up on users and at least one guy with billing problems being told by a supervisor that he did waste support reccources for calling back after being hang up upon...Seriously?

All in all, i don't want to take those risks and as such will not buy any Orgin only game and probably not any EA game anymore.

 

[Phishfood]

I mean it isn't like Steam has mandatory online authentication features for new games, oh wait it does. I can not play a game in offline mode until it gets the online authentication taken care of. So, EA apparently isn't the only corporation that does this.

Right, but I don't have to restart steam 3 times before I can load my game. Steam also doesn't require a browser plugin to run my game. <insert the rest of the tired rant about how origins is nothing but a steaming pile of shit here, I'm too lazy to retype the rest again>

 

[faspxina]

I mean it isn't like Steam has mandatory online authentication features for new games, oh wait it does. I can not play a game in offline mode until it gets the online authentication taken care of. So, EA apparently isn't the only corporation that does this.

I think you can play games on steam in offline mode, once you have them installed.
Whenever you try to access Steam with the internet connection off, press the cancel button when it tries to update or access steam servers. If you do that it will give you the option to enter offline mode without authentication.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

I bet pirates will have no problem playing it and installing hacked DLC for it. They might even be able to play the multiplayer. And all without Origin.

Everyone knows why you don't want to release it on Steam. Cut the crap already.

So you don't want to use Origin but your happy with Steam even though they serve the same purpose?

I wasn't defending Steam. I was just criticizing EA's lack of honesty. There is no reason to lie to us about why it's not on Steam. And the reason I don't want to use Origin is because I don't want to encourage more companies to manipulate the market into installing useless bloated software. Steam is enough. It has awesome sales, it has a huge fanbase and it's being run by one of the best and most loved gaming companies today. Origin is being run bu EA. Besides, I really wanted Mass Effect 3 items for Team Fortress 2. If EA were smarter, they would release ME3 on Steam with TF2 items. I'm telling you, that game would sell on PC like hotcakes.

 

[Lieju]

Why are people still defending a company that doesn't give a fuck about them and uses bully tactics to force needless & useless DRM down their throat?
Why are they defending a company that stifles creativity and abuses their employees?
Why are they defending a company that is trying to waste their time, harddrive space, and destroy their privacy rights, just to appease their stockholders?

Why are people so keen to jump to the defense of the bad guy, and throw all their self respect out the window?
Even if other people do it, it doesn't justify EA doing it.
For the record, I don't support Activision either, I agree, people should take a stance on those knobs as well.

Ohh. Heh. Thought you were talking about steam.
Because. You know.
They do the same thing. Except they also take all your game stats and publish them for the world to see.

So many months after origin was released, the blatant hipocrisy is still oh-so-entertaining.

Where exactly did you see the hypocrisy there? S/he never brought up Steam.

It's totally possible to hate Origin without being a Steam-fan.
I don't like either, but I don't use them much either. Although I think competition is good.

As for the actual topic of this thread (which isn't about Steam), I don't know what 'library dependencies' means exactly, but it sure seems they aren't being honest.

Perhaps the main reason for the hate Origin is getting is that those who have used Steam are among the most rampant fanboys you'll ever find. I am trying to keep an open mind myself, but seriously, I am a raging fanboy even if I got Origin installed.

Or, that hating stuff is fun. And Origin is new, people have gotten used to Steam. And it can be fascinating watching a company totally fail and make all those mistakes.

Especially when it's EA.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

Crap, messed up my quotes.
Why doesn't the escapist have a proper post editor? And if it does, how do you activate it?

Anyway, I don't have patience to discuss every little misinformed accusation against origin, and, those two in particular, have been thoroughly myth-busted already.

As for the prices, I guess if you live in a country that doesn't have the Euro or dollar as its national currency, the price differences apply - since, as a guy above wrote, origin will charge in your local currency while steam charges in euros/dollars.

I got origin for BF3 and ended up re-downloading ME2 & DA2 through origin. Worked flawlessly. Atleast origin doesn't try to become the facebook-equivalent(track ALL THE THINGS!) of the digital distribution market.

So just post links to where they have been "thoroughly myth-busted" or even general directions.

both of those prices I gave were in British pounds. All my experience of using Origin has been just fine as well.

 

[Vuljatar]

There is only one appropriate (and appropriately ironic) response to draconian DRM. You all know what it is.

 

[Bostur]

The poster dmex is probably a bit of a special case. I think he is the only EA employee reading their forum, and he tends to have a very personal style. I think he is technically 'into' Origin and a bit of a fan of it, making him a little personally biased. On the other hand he has also been able to clarify a lot of misunderstandings and shed some light on the workings of Origin.

I personally appreciate posters with a personal angle to cut through corporate bullshit. But that of course means that not everything they say is absolute God given laws.

 

[Scars Unseen]

EA is going about this all wrong. They need someone with a sense of humor. If they want to reflect some(nowhere near all) of that ire, just come out and say "We'll put our game on Steam when Valve puts theirs on Origin."

 

[CoL0sS]

Oh my. My, my. It took you 10 posts to turn this into Steam vs Origin topic. I'm very disappointed.
ME3 isn't on Steam because it's on Origin. Yeah, they made their own digital distribution platform. Yeah, they're trying to take a piece of that cake. It'll be a cold day in hell (or at least a lot of lost $$$) before they admit it was a bad move, and we all know that's not gonna happen. Us gamers are soooo good with following through with our boycotts.
All hate people had for EA was of no consequence while they could get their games on Steam. Can we just mark it down as personal preference? Some people can look past EA's shitty customer support and Origin. Some people can't. Some are Steam fanboys. Others can objectively look at both services. Some just like to ***** about stuff, with nothing to support their claims. Do you really give a fuck?

OT: This guy sounds biased, persistent and misinformed. Then again, I can respect his determination. Getting in front of an angry mob knowing you have no satisfying answers for them can't be easy. And besides, it's not like he's gonna criticize policies of the company that signs his paychecks. Origin is here to stay people. Get real or get cracking.

 

[Arluza]

Well Steam does the exact same thing for games, including Skyrim and Shogun 2. I see no difference between the two. Why are you not complaining for this? Oh, right. Because Valve owns Steam and Valve can do no wrong.

 

[Tayh]

Right, but I don't have to restart steam 3 times before I can load my game. Steam also doesn't require a browser plugin to run my game. <insert the rest of the tired rant about how origins is nothing but a steaming pile of shit here, I'm too lazy to retype the rest again>

I'd just like to point out, that's BF3. That has nothing to do with origin.

Honestly, if you use, and approve of, steam, then you have no justification for hating origin. It's not a religion, you are not confined to just one or the other.

 

[FEichinger]

This is the point at which I can only quote myself ... Really, bringing up the same points each and every time is annoying like hell ...

Now, again, the difference between Steam and Origin:

Steam's EULA doesn't tell you specifically WHAT they collect, but what they DO with it.
Origin's EULA does tell you what they collect ... but not what they do with it ...

Difference between LIVE and Origin in regards to yet-another-service-other-than-Steam:
LIVE is implanted in the game directly, installed all along, hardly requires data to be entered, and belongs to the company that already supplied your goddamn OS ... Why on Earth would you even bother hiding anything from them when they could implant anything they want into your OS - and you'd mostly be forced to use it regardless, if you want to play most games conveniently.
Origin on the other hand requires a whole external account, at a company that supplies said games only, requires an external client installed and run independantly - or requires the game to be run through this client.

As such Origin is an intrusive, restricting, annoying and pretty much useless service.

 

[Versuvius]

Some individuals are apparently still a bit too dense to know the difference between Steam and Origin. The two i can recall off the top of my head (DRM wise)

1: Steam has an offline mode, once a game is authenticated you don't need to go online with it, but you may aswell (if your net drops, your game doesn't boot you); Origin does. As does some Ubisoft games actually...

2: Origin takes data from browsing history, components and peripherals. Iphone, anything that requires drivers, that porn folder. They know about it too. Steam takes things involved with steam. So bandwidth going through it, games activated with steam, graphics settings, for games set on steam. So one is a piece of Spyware, one monitors itself.

3: someone else can do this one.

We clear?

 

[Smithburg]

And that's why I'll buy it for consoles! *Smile and thumbs up*

 

[endtherapture]

From the same guy: "DRM (e.g. SecuROM) restrict how, where, what and when you can use and do with the software, authentication does not fall under these categories and Origin doesn't restrict your fair-use rights to the software like DRM does."

I'm sorry but what? ok, I will play ME3 without the internet. NOPE. I can't play it when my internet isn't working, if I go somewhere without internet, sound a lot like restricting how, where , when etc. In fact, just having to use Origin immediately restricts it, because I can't play it with Origin off, which is HOW I want to play it.

You can play ME3 without the internet. Well you can play the demo without the internet. And it was a hell of a lot easier to activate than Steam's offline mode.

 

[Chairman Miaow]

From the same guy: "DRM (e.g. SecuROM) restrict how, where, what and when you can use and do with the software, authentication does not fall under these categories and Origin doesn't restrict your fair-use rights to the software like DRM does."

I'm sorry but what? ok, I will play ME3 without the internet. NOPE. I can't play it when my internet isn't working, if I go somewhere without internet, sound a lot like restricting how, where , when etc. In fact, just having to use Origin immediately restricts it, because I can't play it with Origin off, which is HOW I want to play it.

You can play ME3 without the internet. Well you can play the demo without the internet. And it was a hell of a lot easier to activate than Steam's offline mode.

My mistake, I was under the impression it was an always on internet thing, must have confused myself reading articles on Ubisoft at the same time. Steam's offline mode is easy, you just click go offline...

 

[endtherapture]

From the same guy: "DRM (e.g. SecuROM) restrict how, where, what and when you can use and do with the software, authentication does not fall under these categories and Origin doesn't restrict your fair-use rights to the software like DRM does."

I'm sorry but what? ok, I will play ME3 without the internet. NOPE. I can't play it when my internet isn't working, if I go somewhere without internet, sound a lot like restricting how, where , when etc. In fact, just having to use Origin immediately restricts it, because I can't play it with Origin off, which is HOW I want to play it.

You can play ME3 without the internet. Well you can play the demo without the internet. And it was a hell of a lot easier to activate than Steam's offline mode.

My mistake, I was under the impression it was an always on internet thing, must have confused myself reading articles on Ubisoft at the same time. Steam's offline mode is easy, you just click go offline...

Nope. You obviously can't play any multiplayer when you're offline but single player access is fine which is good.

Steam has always seemed a bit convoluted with going offline, it's been really annoying and hasn't worked a few time, but Origin seems a lot better in that respect.

 

[Athinira]

But seriously people, it's not worth passing up a game you want for.

...which is another reason why people pirate stuff: To get rid of sh*t like Origin (and other annoying DRM) while still being able to play their favorite games )

Even honest customers often jump on the "crack"-wagon to get rid of DRM.