Origin: Exposing the False Dichotomy Between Two Multibillion Dollar Companies

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Sangnz

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Many different reasons really

One reason is this
http://kotaku.com/5831805/what-did-gabe-newell-say-to-the-half+life-3-protesters

the EA counterpoint being
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/03/using-hacked-bf3-servers-banhammer/

The other is I live in New Zealand, tha majority of games on Steam I can get at the same price as the US, which is a god send for me given the price of PC games over here, there are some exceptions being priced at $89.99 US eg 40K: Space Marine and Civilisation V.
On Origin nearly entirety of EAs catalogue is priced $89.95 US for new/recent releases for people in Australia and New Zealand, hell the Digital Deluxe edition of ME3 is about $109.99 US on Origin, I can pick up a physical copy of the deluxe edition in NZ for the same freaking price.
 

Sylveria

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EA and Valve have vastly different ethical and business practices. The whole "Well someday Valve might become evil to" argument is inane. EA is scum. They hate the people that buy their games and see them as nothing more than criminals or dollar signs, or both. They openly show that attitude and Origins "You agree to let us datamine the shit out of your PC so we can sell that information" clause pretty much cements that.

Valve may just see us all as giant wallets with eyes, but even if they do, they don't show it as blatantly and they do some good in turn.

The entire point of the OP seems to be "Well Valve could be bad to and you'd hate EA even if they do good things." The stance is pointless. You're arguing "What ifs." People like Valve more than EA because in the current reality, not some potential future, they simply don't do the horrible stuff that EA does. EA does not do any of the positive things that Valve does.

If you're going to argue a "Thes companies could be the same! Soylent Green will some day be people!" point, do it in present, factual, tense, not "what ifs" that haven't happened and you have no way of determining if they will. I know this may smash your hippie "fight the power" dreams, but there are some large companies that actually do the right thing more than the most profitable thing. EA is not one of those companies. Valve, generally, is because they realize that being "good" gets more in the long term.
 

theheroofaction

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Imagine if you will, a ham sandwich with swiss cheese, lettuce, and horseradish all on rye bread. Great sandwich right? That's steam. delicious and nutritious

Now imagine that same sandwich, but with stale bread, no horseradish, moldy lettuce and american cheese. That's origin. you could still eat it, but you don't want to, and honestly it isn't healthy.


Sure, they're both sandwiches, but most of us would prefer the first one.
 

grimgor42

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The way EA works, I wouldn't be surprised if the OP is a hired guy trying to sow doubt amongst the loyal Valve customers. Well I tell you this good sir, I hate EA, and will continue to, so deal with it. Also, I love Valve, and will continue to until they do something to change that, and not before. So get off the soap box, you probable corporate pawn.
 
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All companies just want to make money. Why do people start buisnesses in the first place? to make money. its all about the bacon and it always will be. Just stop complaining and fucking game
 

risue

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I have reasons for supporting Valve and disliking EA and here are my reasons: (yes its a wall of text, i'd imagine i'm going to get a lot of TL;DR)

First and foremost the treatment of customers. This is a very broad topic so there are a few aspects that go into it. EA has banned people because people have openly talked *badly about them. so terms of service were violated, so they had a 'legal' ability to do so, and thus because a customer was clearly dissatisfied with EA, EA revokes their ability to play the games that they bought. Ok, technically you buy the right to play the game, not the game itself. this is with any program, game or not. On the other hand, when people "talk badly" about Valve, Valve may take the dissatisfaction into account and try and do something about it.

Accessibility is another point under the treatment of customers point. And not accessibility on a game level. In every single one of Valve's games sense 2004, Gabe openly gives his email address and encourages players to send their responses directly to him. Many cases (not all) he has replied back to the senders. The ability for customers to have a direct line of communication to the CEO of a company, to say whatever they want, positive or negative, is something that i see extremely rarely and something that, although i may not use it, i value as a customer. Correct me if i'm wrong but that level of communication is nowhere near present with EA.

Next, Valve is a privately owned company. EA is not. EA has to keep shareholders happy, regardless of how much these shareholders care about games, quality of games, or how customers are treated, as long as there is a profit. Valve can and does take liberties that EA could not do. Valve has shut down the entire production of developing games, to take a few months off and do entirely in house experimentation, trying to come up with new things with no guarantee that anything positive would come out of it. Why? because of the possibility of coming up with something so different, new and fun for their customers rather than sticking to the same old formula. I will give EA credit in the past they have done a lot of good things, regardless of how i personally feel about them they are in a very strong position in the gaming industry, and they had to do something right to get there. But recently i have felt (though i could not prove it) that EA has settled because of shareholders not willing to take risks.

And then the trivial matters. I have a rather decent size library of games on PC, roughly 90-100 games. of that all but maybe 6 that ive bought retail are on steam. i bought most of them on sale, and you know, its been pretty simple, they are all in the same place. my entire library is on steam. call me lazy and i'll accept that, but i really don't like the idea of downloading another third party software to have a small set of other games on. I would much rather keep them all in the same place.

To be honest, i have not touched Origin. i have never used it, never downloaded it. My argument is not which is better Steam or Origin, my argument is that i prefer one company over another. Thus, i will support Valve and Steam over EA and Origin. As a customer, the best way to support a company is to use their products, and so, I use steam and i have not used Origin.

Then you go on to say what if Valve changes their methods. To that i respond, as of now, i am still in support towards what Valve is doing. Yes valve can very well change their policy, probably even more easily than EA can. If it were to change to something that i dont like i would probably email them addressing my concern, and depending on the situation yes, i would be less supportive of valve. i would hesitate before buying from them. That is the entire reason why i hesitate to use somethign from EA, I didnt have a problem with them a while ago, now i do. and thus i show my lack of support. The point though is that while valve can change, they have not. that is why i support Valve, and use steam