Yeah, I too thought the story was hamfisted. But then again I feel the series did best when it was more minimal, with exposition being released as flavor text as opposed to cutscenes and monologue.JourneyThroughHell said:
Other M isn't Sexist.
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My problem isn't that they gave Samus a personality nor do I think the game is particularly sexist... it's just that the personality they gave that iconic character is so downright irritating, pathetic, and plain unlikable she ruined the game for me.
And I don't care if it was already established in a 'manga', I don't read comics as a rule, it doesn't change that they made the valiant world-saving bounty-hunter into an annoying twit.
See I always pictured a Ripley style figure; Holding Newt in one hand while torching Alien scum with the other, her stoic silence a sort of personality itself where you've got this lone badass doing what she feels is right against all odds without complaint because it's just what had to be done... Samus now however seems more likely to curl into a ball (hur hur) and cry, monologuing the whole while until daddy/boyfriend/dominant-male-figure snaps her out of it. Which I might add is completely at contrast with the game itself where you're running at break neck speeds down corridors just wasting everything in your path. Not that the gameplay in Other M was much better, I've always been a fan of the exploration element of Metroid, Castlevania is another favorite series of mine for example, and Other M just didn't satisfy me in that way either.
So they made Metroid into a linear shoot em up with an unlikable protagonist. Not my cup of tea... exactly the opposite if anything. Other M is like bizzaro-Metroid, strangely similar in a cosmetic sense and sharing the same name, but at the same time so very different from the other games in the series and if anything a perfect example of everything I played Metroid to avoid having to deal with in other franchise.
I'm sure there are plenty who enjoy it. But not me. I hate the new direction, I really do. I'm glad I only rented the game, as if I'd bought it I'd feel absolutely ripped off.
Castlevania is apparently getting a 'reboot' under a new dev studio as well and I'm preemptively weeping (figuratively) for that series as well since I doubt I'll be any happier with those results either, especially considering I'm not a fan of Metal Gear and apparently those are the guys doing the 'new' Castlevania.
And I don't care if it was already established in a 'manga', I don't read comics as a rule, it doesn't change that they made the valiant world-saving bounty-hunter into an annoying twit.
See I always pictured a Ripley style figure; Holding Newt in one hand while torching Alien scum with the other, her stoic silence a sort of personality itself where you've got this lone badass doing what she feels is right against all odds without complaint because it's just what had to be done... Samus now however seems more likely to curl into a ball (hur hur) and cry, monologuing the whole while until daddy/boyfriend/dominant-male-figure snaps her out of it. Which I might add is completely at contrast with the game itself where you're running at break neck speeds down corridors just wasting everything in your path. Not that the gameplay in Other M was much better, I've always been a fan of the exploration element of Metroid, Castlevania is another favorite series of mine for example, and Other M just didn't satisfy me in that way either.
So they made Metroid into a linear shoot em up with an unlikable protagonist. Not my cup of tea... exactly the opposite if anything. Other M is like bizzaro-Metroid, strangely similar in a cosmetic sense and sharing the same name, but at the same time so very different from the other games in the series and if anything a perfect example of everything I played Metroid to avoid having to deal with in other franchise.
I'm sure there are plenty who enjoy it. But not me. I hate the new direction, I really do. I'm glad I only rented the game, as if I'd bought it I'd feel absolutely ripped off.
Castlevania is apparently getting a 'reboot' under a new dev studio as well and I'm preemptively weeping (figuratively) for that series as well since I doubt I'll be any happier with those results either, especially considering I'm not a fan of Metal Gear and apparently those are the guys doing the 'new' Castlevania.
But isn't that where you find the varia suit.Megatheist said:
I am also declaring bullshit on the last part. This game takes place after super metroid. Samus has already saved the universe multiple times. Some co that ain't shit to me? Telling me what to do? Saying I can't use my don't get boiled alive suit. GTFO That is some awful writing there. Why Samus works alone? Cause she gets shit done, Doesn't need any punk ass holding her back.
No, you find the Varia Suit in Super Metroid in Kraids Lair after you beat him (on a side note, you find the Varia Suit in the original Metroid in Brinstar just before you head to Kraids Lair).pretentiousname01 said:
Also, would you rather they just take all her power ups away yet again for no reason?
A friend of mine said, and I quote, "They show without her power suit for more than ten seconds, and that's bad." I'm getting the feeling that most people are calling it sexist because they want it to be sexist. Haven't played the game, though, so what do I know?
Also, we should all come clean that, if they hadn't used the permission system, we'd all be complaining "WTF she got amnesia again?"
Also, we should all come clean that, if they hadn't used the permission system, we'd all be complaining "WTF she got amnesia again?"
Yeah, yeah it is. It's basically saying that a woman can't operate without a man telling her what to do.
Also you might want to watch The Spoony Ones' review of "The Other M". His words go down to pretty much this: "Fuck the manga, Metroid is a video game, not a goddammed graphic novel. Team Ninja raped Samus."
Also you might want to watch The Spoony Ones' review of "The Other M". His words go down to pretty much this: "Fuck the manga, Metroid is a video game, not a goddammed graphic novel. Team Ninja raped Samus."
From what I've seen, there's no way Samus would have reacted like that to Ridley. It's completely out of character. When Samus meets Ridley, the following happens. She introduces that lizard to the business end of her PLASMA CANNON, shoves it down his throat, and pulls the trigger until he doesn't look like Ridley any more. She doesn't freeze up until some man turns up to try and rescue her, and only snap out of it at the last possible minute. My girlfriend hasn't even played a metroid game before, and she cringed with embarrassment at the scene. That's not recognisable as Samus.
She's not crying. She's surprised. If I were to have killed something 5 fucking times and it still didn't die. I'm pretty sure i'd be afraid too. Ridley is basically like a Horror Character. He keeps coming back after he's dead. Besides, we've never known what Samus's reaction is. Ridley killed her Parents as a young child. PTSD anyone? It's not sexist. People are just blowing it WAY Out of Proportion.
She's killed Ridley 4 times by that point! We bloody well do know what her reaction is! To KILL HIM AGAIN! I could understand that she'd be surprised at the buggers resilience, and maybe be taken aback but it depicts her as a little, meek girl (literally!), who cannot even respond until Captain man comes in spouting one liners in an attempt to save her. Samus is not a little meek girl. She is a hardened bounty hunter who blasts anybody that tries to kill her. Every game that isn't Other M shows us this. By all means show her emotional side, but don't turn her into a whimpering child. That's simply not who she is.Thief92 said:
I'd like to point out something. This isn't me defending or condemning her characterization, but rather pointing out the lack thereof in her previous adventures. How do you know she wasn't panicking when she fought him previously?Serenegoose said:
It's not that she wasn't, because we don't know that. It's that you as the player were not, and being that she had no voice in previous titles, the players projected their expectations of what she was onto her without ever knowing what she was, judging Samus by how they used her and not necessarily by how she was.
You know, that's fair - and I'd have been totally fine with her bricking herself as she fought him - because I could see that as being consistent with a: being human and b: being Samus. But whether or not we know if she's panicking, we -do- know that she at least didn't freeze up until someone tries to rescue her. Because it simply doesn't happen in any of the other games. So yes, maybe she panics - but she still acts. We can say that for certain.-Zen- said: