Our generation's racism

[Deathmageddon]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

Is it wrong for gay people to hate christians?

Not all of us are like those Westboro Baptist heretics. Yes, the Bible says homosexual behavior is wrong. But so what? Nobody's perfect. Jesus didn't exactly hang out with priests and paragons. I'm sorry if my fellow Christians made you or someone you know feel hated, threatened, or belittled. That's not ok. There's even a documentary called something along the lines of: "Lord, save us from your followers," that explores this issue, if you're interested.

 

[Kanova]

they never will "get over it", its not something you can get over, any more than blacks can get over the fact that their ancestors were enslaved and ridiculed and persecuted for centuries. THey will never "get over" that. And the gov't assists them because w/o their help, natives would just be living on the street, and much more likely to do something desperate (violence). Also we generallyy feel guilty about how we took this continent and murdered its people, people who welcomed us with open arms.

Blacks got it worse and more recent too, and they are pretty much done making a huge deal out of it and they are also living better to (not much more). And what, the government will help Indians forever? Probably. But they really shouldn't. Also, they already live on the street for the most part because they are shit with money despite getting it for doing fucking nothing, and they are already violent and stuff. Still scum bags. How would you rather the government dealt with these leeches? Keep giving them free shit even though they aren't doing anything for themselves? I mean, what would you do? Myself, I would tell them to shut the fuck up about wanting special privileges and to live like everyone else does. Working, going to school and passing and living a functional life. If they can't handle a normal life, then just let them rot. Its 'kay. But yeah, what would you do brah?

 

[him over there]

Can't speak to bigotry, but I can guess that a "right to sexuality" in terms of fundamental human rights is in our relatively near future. Though, our tendency towards demanding tolerance is one that may have gone a bit too far the other way. As always, South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker beat everyone to it by warning us of impending problems.

I've seen a lot of Matt and Trey's work, including most of the commentaries on their stuff so I kind of have a lot to go on, could you be more specific about which impending problem and where they warn us?

 

[iLazy]

Calling asexuals and pansexual bigotry. You know it's going to happen.

Ohh, and cross dressing or agronomy.

Oh my. What if people start dissing Caucasian? That would be a twist... I think.
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If we're talking future, as in the one I want, then definitely xeno-sexuality. Totally see old people being all "IN MY DAY WE DATED OTHER HUMANS! NOT THESE --insert racial slur against aliens--"

And probably robo-sexuality.

What? I can dream can't I?

 

[Indecipherable]

My Grandfather is massively racist towards Japanese, but he fought in WW2 and had to comfort families who had been gang raped, had members executed, or worse things that he won't talk about.

They did some unbelievably unspeakable acts and he hates them for it.

*shrugs*

 

[Darknacht]

they never will "get over it", its not something you can get over, any more than blacks can get over the fact that their ancestors were enslaved and ridiculed and persecuted for centuries. THey will never "get over" that.

I know plenty of Irish people that don't hold the atrocities committed against there ancestors against people of British descent. It is absurd to claim that their racism is in anyway acceptable or tolerable just because their ancestors where oppressed by some one of the same skin color as mine, would it be tolerable if eastern Europeans hated all Asians because of the Mongol conquest, no of course not. The racism held by some Natives is not really any different than Kanova's, they are both wrong.

 

[aba1]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Only in the States nobody cares everywhere else. Well a few places have issues with Muslims but those are different issues based on a different matter.

 

[Indecipherable]

has always been incredibly fond of Islam, which almost puts him ahead of our time).

Now what is that meant to mean?

Some people aren't.

Some people are anti-theist in general and Islam has gotten a bad rap in pop culture and media since about (oh at a rough guess) 12th September 2001 onward.

Only in the States nobody cares everywhere else. Well a few places have issues with Muslims but those are different issues based on a different matter.

I can assure you Australia has a very heavy anti-muslim bias.

I am presuming that a great deal of Europe does too.

Food for thought:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide

probably worth reading before you next contribute to this thread.

 

[Darknacht]

they never will "get over it", its not something you can get over, any more than blacks can get over the fact that their ancestors were enslaved and ridiculed and persecuted for centuries. THey will never "get over" that.

I know plenty of Irish people that don't hold the atrocities committed against there ancestors against people of British descent. It is absurd to claim that their racism is in anyway acceptable or tolerable just because their ancestors where oppressed by some one of the same skin color as mine, would it be tolerable if eastern Europeans hated all Asians because of the Mongol conquest, no of course not. The racism held by some Natives is not really any different than Kanova's, they are both wrong.

The two are very different, what happened to the natives was genocide, not war.

Wiping out most of the native population of an area through slaughter and starvation with the intent of settling your own people there is genocide even if its Europeans doing it to Europeans. They were both war and genocide, you can think of Ireland as England's trial run for colonial conquest.

 

[Jodah]

My grandpa went in to a chocolate shop one time. After browsing for a bit he said he wanted a pound of those "****** toes" (chocolate covered Brazil nuts) the lady had a look of horror on her face and said "Sir! You can't say that!" My grandfather looked her straight in the eye and said "Miss, I'm 82 years old. At this point in my life, I don't give a damn who I offend. I served with niggers in the war and have no problem with them. When I was growing up people called me a dago and we called blacks niggers. That's how it was and I'm too damn old to change now."

Personally I think the whole politically correct thing is a load of crap. If you take offense from something someone says that is your problem. If you want to call me a fat, hillbilly, dago, piece of shit go for it. But you better not take offense when I say the same to you.

 

[viranimus]

Three points.

A: "our" generation (if your refering to those who are on this forum) is comprised of two (and soon to be 3) separate and distinct generations. GenX (born 1960-1980) ME generation: AKA GenY (1980-2000) and soon there will be the "next gen" which has not clearly been identified yet and its placeholder is "GenZ"

B: If your referring to Me Gen, I think your "ism" is already clearly established. GenY as a whole is incredibly intolerant of all religion with unimaginable intolerance toward Christianity first, and Islam second. That is what your going to be bitching about when your old and senile.

C: Isms are not going to go away and to think that "Someday in the future all this is going to be a bad memory" is just plain ignorant. Part of these intolerances develop not from actual hatred of what is not being tolerated nearly as much as it is a rejection of what prior generations accepted so the younger generation can pretend its being tolerant as it doesnt realize its just a cog in a much larger cycle. Plus as world events occur, new hatreds will emerge. Just like I look at GenY and see them being especially hateful toward Islam and Arabs. A major part of this stems from the western Worlds view on the events of the gulf wars and 9/11. However those not as effected by it really dont have as much in born dislike of Arabs, buuut, being closer to vietnam and the ass end of WW2 in some cases, the are MUUUUUUCH more intolerant towards Asians. Times change, but intolerance simply just evolves.

 

[him over there]

they never will "get over it", its not something you can get over, any more than blacks can get over the fact that their ancestors were enslaved and ridiculed and persecuted for centuries. THey will never "get over" that.

I know plenty of Irish people that don't hold the atrocities committed against there ancestors against people of British descent. It is absurd to claim that their racism is in anyway acceptable or tolerable just because their ancestors where oppressed by some one of the same skin color as mine, would it be tolerable if eastern Europeans hated all Asians because of the Mongol conquest, no of course not. The racism held by some Natives is not really any different than Kanova's, they are both wrong.

The two are very different, what happened to the natives was genocide, not war.

Wiping out most of the native population of an area through slaughter and starvation with the intent of settling your own people there is genocide even if its Europeans doing it to Europeans. They were both war and genocide, you can think of Ireland as England's trial run for colonial conquest.

I'd just like to interject that whether or not First nations people will "get over it" that the act of people who's ancestors committed atrocities reimbursing the descendants of the people their ancestors committed atrocities against is flawed. You can't create equality through giving a group that once suffered at the hands of another special privileges, you have to give them equality. Honestly racism will diminish when we stop acknowledging that races exist. The scientific community doesn't and they built a high speed system that let's thousands of people congregate and communicate halfway across the world.

 

[RustlessPotato]

Reading this thread has confirmed what I always thought. In order to stay friends with somebody, never, under any circumstances, argue religion or politics.

 

[afroebob]

Muslims. Seriously. This generation is fucking FILLED with hatred towards Muslims. The first thing anyone thinks of when they hear Muslims is 'EVIL BASTARDS!'. I am one of the exceptions because the first thing that pops into my mind when I hear Muslim is that something is evil and despicable but its not Muslims, its the stereotype that surrounds them. I think (and hope) that the next generation will look back on us and think 'What the fuck was their problem with Muslims?'. Seriously. Muslims aren't all bad people. The majority of them are good people. Saying a small group of Muslims reflects their people as a whole (in this case the small groups would be terrorists) is like saying Westboro reflects Christianity as a hole (although I know a lot of you think they do. But I don't think a small group of internet users who hate Christianity reflect on internet users as a whole. Ha, see how I spun that around?).

 

[afroebob]

My grandpa went in to a chocolate shop one time. After browsing for a bit he said he wanted a pound of those "****** toes" (chocolate covered Brazil nuts) the lady had a look of horror on her face and said "Sir! You can't say that!" My grandfather looked her straight in the eye and said "Miss, I'm 82 years old. At this point in my life, I don't give a damn who I offend. I served with niggers in the war and have no problem with them. When I was growing up people called me a dago and we called blacks niggers. That's how it was and I'm too damn old to change now."

Personally I think the whole politically correct thing is a load of crap. If you take offense from something someone says that is your problem. If you want to call me a fat, hillbilly, dago, piece of shit go for it. But you better not take offense when I say the same to you.

You know, normally I have a problem with the word '******' but thats usually because of the context it is used in and the hypocrisy that surrounds it. I mean, seriously, if someone isn't using a word offensively than don't take it offensively. If he said the word ****** but didn't mean it as a putdown than yes, maybe its a little insensitive but I really don't think any rational black person is really going to be offended by it. Not everything has to be sugar coated sweatness, I don't use the word ****** but if I was black and I did hear someone say it but wasn't trying to be offensive I wouldn't think anything of it. A word is just as much about the definition as the context it is used in. Hmm... I think I just came up with a pretty awesome quote.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

Can't speak to bigotry, but I can guess that a "right to sexuality" in terms of fundamental human rights is in our relatively near future. Though, our tendency towards demanding tolerance is one that may have gone a bit too far the other way. As always, South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker beat everyone to it by warning us of impending problems.

I've seen a lot of Matt and Trey's work, including most of the commentaries on their stuff so I kind of have a lot to go on, could you be more specific about which impending problem and where they warn us?

Death Camp of Tolerance. The one where Mr Garrison goes apeshit trying to get fired, by doing all kinds of screwed up sex acts, and the kids get sent to a tolerance camp when they try to point out there's a line for acceptance. Not sure what the Lemmiwinks part is a metaphor of, but I assume something singularly silly about never giving up when you're stuck in a gay man's rectum.