Our generation's racism

[Jodah]

My grandpa went in to a chocolate shop one time. After browsing for a bit he said he wanted a pound of those "****** toes" (chocolate covered Brazil nuts) the lady had a look of horror on her face and said "Sir! You can't say that!" My grandfather looked her straight in the eye and said "Miss, I'm 82 years old. At this point in my life, I don't give a damn who I offend. I served with niggers in the war and have no problem with them. When I was growing up people called me a dago and we called blacks niggers. That's how it was and I'm too damn old to change now."

Personally I think the whole politically correct thing is a load of crap. If you take offense from something someone says that is your problem. If you want to call me a fat, hillbilly, dago, piece of shit go for it. But you better not take offense when I say the same to you.

You know, normally I have a problem with the word '******' but thats usually because of the context it is used in and the hypocrisy that surrounds it. I mean, seriously, if someone isn't using a word offensively than don't take it offensively. If he said the word ****** but didn't mean it as a putdown than yes, maybe its a little insensitive but I really don't think any rational black person is really going to be offended by it. Not everything has to be sugar coated sweatness, I don't use the word ****** but if I was black and I did hear someone say it but wasn't trying to be offensive I wouldn't think anything of it. A word is just as much about the definition as the context it is used in. Hmm... I think I just came up with a pretty awesome quote.

That's pretty much how I was raised. In fact, when my mom got a new boss where she worked, he walked in one day and asked her "Do you mind if I swear around you?" she responded with "As long as it isn't at me you can say fuck all you want."

 

[Helmholtz Watson]

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So no, you don't have any credible sources to back up your wild claims.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

I can see transphobia being a problem, too. I'm about as open minded sexually as one can get, but I still think there's probably something at least slightly wrong with people who don't accept their own bodies. I don't think it affects me at all, of course, but there's always a slight sense of annoyance when someone asks to be called by a special name or different gender identity just because he/she feels like it. Can't you just be a boy who likes to wear women's clothes? Or a girl who likes to behave "manly?" Why do we have to change your name (or worse, have painful life threatening surgery) in order to fully "accept" what you think you are? Like I said, minor annoyances. I wouldn't in real life discriminate against a person like that.

You clearly have no empathy. It's a mental disorder which they can't help, and many of these sufferers are physically disgusted with their body and/or have the mind of the opposite gender. Some trans women literally attempt to castrate themselves and there have been numerous trans people that have committed suicide because people like you don't have the understanding or bother doing the research that wouldn't take up much of your time. Why should you be annoyed? Respect their wishes.

There's a clear difference between transgender and transvestite, and many people feel that sex reassignment surgery is the only way they'll truly feel happy and/or "normal". It's not as simple as just saying, "Oh, can't you just be a guy who likes to wear women's clothes?" No, the definition of gender identity disorder is that their mind doesn't match their body. I understand that it can be hard for some people to imagine what it feels like, but it happens. Biology fucks up sometimes.

 

[applesandoranges]

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[The Funslinger]

Ugh, hating religions is vulgar.

I can understand the intellectual distaste for organised religion, it is reasonable. But hating a person for what they believe is simply boorish.

I've actually seen people on this website brazenly state that if it were up to them, religion would be illegal (some people even suggesting gruesome punishment). Yeah, guys, you know what also crushed a religion with brutal oppression? The Holocaust. Being even handed about it doesn't make you any better. Yeah, yeah. Godwin's Law. I'm still right.

Hitler hated the Jewish race, not their religion specifically.

Also, Hitler formed his own religion and let the others do their own thing as long as they didn't criticise the nazi regime.

My point was though that he still arbitrarily stamped out their religious practices. Being even handed about hatred towards religion doesn't make it anymore valid than that.

 

[AnarchistFish]

So what do you think we need to be aware of for when we're old to avoid being wrinkly bigots?

Probably,
Xenophobia and mental health discrimination, I think.

Not offended, just shocked that you'd use an out dated term.

Huh? Really? Since when has that ever been a derogatory term?

 

[zelda2fanboy]

You clearly have no empathy. It's a mental disorder which they can't help, and many of these sufferers are physically disgusted with their body and/or have the mind of the opposite gender. Some trans women literally attempt to castrate themselves and there have been numerous trans people that have committed suicide because people like you don't have the understanding or bother doing the research that wouldn't take up much of your time. Why should you be annoyed? Respect their wishes.

There's a clear difference between transgender and transvestite, and many people feel that sex reassignment surgery is the only way they'll truly feel happy and/or "normal". It's not as simple as just saying, "Oh, can't you just be a guy who likes to wear women's clothes?" No, the definition of gender identity disorder is that their mind doesn't match their body. I understand that it can be hard for some people to imagine what it feels like, but it happens. Biology fucks up sometimes.

Yeah, but I try to empathize and it doesn't work. If I woke up tomorrow with a vagina, I'd learn to live with it. I wouldn't pay tens of thousands of dollars, risk my life, and endure truly horrific pain so I can pee standing up. This is the definition of crazy and thinking this is an adequate solution to this "biological fuck up" (your words, not mine) comes off as bonkers.

There are people in the world who also think they have too many limbs/appendages. They have an impulse to be amputees. They can't get doctors to "help" them with their problem, so they stick their legs in dry ice to give themselves gangrene so doctors are forced to amputate. Self mutilation does not strike me as a positive solution to anything. It just doesn't. I'm sorry if I come off as an inhuman monster.

It seems to me that these people have some sort of other mental/emotional problems that's feeding this impulse. People need to learn to love themselves and their bodies for what they are, not what they want them to be. If you want to be a girl, that's fine, but I am not going to be overjoyed to be forced to "play along" with your weird sex thing especially if I don't even know you. And please don't cut your body parts off.

 

[Godzillarich(aka tf2godz)]

native american,Jews,blacks,Chinese,Irish and Japanese at one point or another have been Americans escape-ghost for real problems. and now it's the gays, Mexicans and the Muslims turn.
in 40 years we will be hating some other group maybe candidness.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

You clearly have no empathy. It's a mental disorder which they can't help, and many of these sufferers are physically disgusted with their body and/or have the mind of the opposite gender. Some trans women literally attempt to castrate themselves and there have been numerous trans people that have committed suicide because people like you don't have the understanding or bother doing the research that wouldn't take up much of your time. Why should you be annoyed? Respect their wishes.

There's a clear difference between transgender and transvestite, and many people feel that sex reassignment surgery is the only way they'll truly feel happy and/or "normal". It's not as simple as just saying, "Oh, can't you just be a guy who likes to wear women's clothes?" No, the definition of gender identity disorder is that their mind doesn't match their body. I understand that it can be hard for some people to imagine what it feels like, but it happens. Biology fucks up sometimes.

Yeah, but I try to empathize and it doesn't work. If I woke up tomorrow with a vagina, I'd learn to live with it. I wouldn't pay tens of thousands of dollars, risk my life, and endure truly horrific pain so I can pee standing up. This is the definition of crazy and thinking this is an adequate solution to this "biological fuck up" (your words, not mine) comes off as bonkers.

There are people in the world who also think they have too many limbs/appendages. They have an impulse to be amputees. They can't get doctors to "help" them with their problem, so they stick their legs in dry ice to give themselves gangrene so doctors are forced to amputate. Self mutilation does not strike me as a positive solution to anything. It just doesn't. I'm sorry if I come off as an inhuman monster.

It seems to me that these people have some sort of other mental/emotional problems that's feeding this impulse. People need to learn to love themselves and their bodies for what they are, not what they want them to be. If you want to be a girl, that's fine, but I am not going to be overjoyed to be forced to "play along" with your weird sex thing especially if I don't even know you. And please don't cut your body parts off.

Well, if you can't empathize, then it's your fault, not theirs. Why should they have to change for you? And no, do not tell me if you woke up tomorrow with a vagina, you'd "learn to live with it". You'd probably be physically disgusted at something that's not meant to be there when you have to look down it at every day, and it'd fuck up your sex life.

And I haven't heard of these people who think they have too many limbs/appendages, but that's a shit comparison, and you know it. You can't compare sex reassignment surgery with self-mutliation.

It's not body dysmorphia, something that can be helped or controlled. It's gender dysmorphia, or gender identity disorder. To provide an analogy: you're a man, right? For the sake of this example, I'll assume that you're named Kyle. How would you feel if, every day, whenever you walked past people on the street, they'd be looking at you as a woman? Or your family and friends treated you as a woman and called you Kitty? And you had unwanted periods that shouldn't happen to you if you feel that you're a man inside?

You clearly don't know shit or have researched anything to do with transgender, gender identity, how it works with the hormones, and sex reassignment surgery, otherwise you wouldn't refer it to as "your weird sex thing" and "cutting off body parts". You're treating it as if it's so hard to just switch gender pronouns to someone who just wants to feel accepted by their fellow man so they don't feel like shit every time someone mistakes their gender, an inner struggle that they've had for the majority of their life and have fought to the bone for people to just open their minds a little and try to understand how they feel. I can't believe this kind of thinking still exists in the 21st century; it's pathetic.

You're just as bad as the homophobes, xenophobes, sexists and racists. You're just afraid of what you don't know or understand, and for that, I feel pity for you.

 

[Tipsy Giant]

Ignorance breads hatred, being open minded and accepting will save us all

 

[zelda2fanboy]

Well, if you can't empathize, then it's your fault, not theirs. Why should they have to change for you? And no, do not tell me if you woke up tomorrow with a vagina, you'd "learn to live with it". You'd probably be physically disgusted at something that's not meant to be there when you have to look down it at every day, and it'd fuck up your sex life.

You clearly don't know shit or have researched anything to do with transgender, gender identity, how it works with the hormones, and sex reassignment surgery, otherwise you wouldn't refer it to as "your weird sex thing" and "cutting off body parts". You're treating it as if it's so hard to just switch gender pronouns to someone who just wants to feel accepted by their fellow man so they don't feel like shit every time someone mistakes their gender, an inner struggle that they've had for the majority of their life and have fought to the bone for people to just open their minds a little and try to understand how they feel. I can't believe this kind of thinking still exists in the 21st century; it's pathetic.

You're just as bad as the homophobes, xenophobes, sexists and racists. You're just afraid of what you don't know or understand, and for that, I feel pity for you.

And I'm saying if you're that sensitive regarding what pronouns people call you by, something's wrong. I don't see how having a vagina would fuck up my sex life, honestly. For one, I don't really have a sex life, and two, if I did I'd try to hook up with a lesbian (don't tell me you've never seen a lesbian that resembled a man). I also wouldn't get annoyed if people called me by girl names either. Do you think Zach Braff on Scrubs wanted to commit suicide because Dr. Cox called him Nancy?

I'm not "afraid" of trans people. I think they're fascinating snowflakes just like everybody else. I just think you have done too much "research" into the matter that it deludes your perspectives on real life. An Elvis impersonator once dropped an air compressor at my store. I managed to maintain my composure and my stifled laughter just came off as a friendly smile. It helped that he didn't also expect me to call him "Elvis." Crossdressing is essentially cosplay to me, which is perfectly fine, but if it's anything more than that, it feels like mental illness (to me).

Again, sorry if that hurts yours or anyone else's feelings, but it's the internet. I don't spout this stuff in the general public. I don't even feel like I have a problem with these people or would have any difficulty interacting or being friends with them. Privately, I think it's a little fucked up. And if I think it's fucked up (and I'm fairly liberal), a lot of people probably do to a much greater extent. If you see yourself as a "defender" of this, you must also understand the resistance to it. Name calling doesn't breed understanding.

 

[Relish in Chaos]

Well, if you can't empathize, then it's your fault, not theirs. Why should they have to change for you? And no, do not tell me if you woke up tomorrow with a vagina, you'd "learn to live with it". You'd probably be physically disgusted at something that's not meant to be there when you have to look down it at every day, and it'd fuck up your sex life.

You clearly don't know shit or have researched anything to do with transgender, gender identity, how it works with the hormones, and sex reassignment surgery, otherwise you wouldn't refer it to as "your weird sex thing" and "cutting off body parts". You're treating it as if it's so hard to just switch gender pronouns to someone who just wants to feel accepted by their fellow man so they don't feel like shit every time someone mistakes their gender, an inner struggle that they've had for the majority of their life and have fought to the bone for people to just open their minds a little and try to understand how they feel. I can't believe this kind of thinking still exists in the 21st century; it's pathetic.

You're just as bad as the homophobes, xenophobes, sexists and racists. You're just afraid of what you don't know or understand, and for that, I feel pity for you.

And I'm saying if you're that sensitive regarding what pronouns people call you by, something's wrong. I don't see how having a vagina would fuck up my sex life, honestly. For one, I don't really have a sex life, and two, if I did I'd try to hook up with a lesbian (don't tell me you've never seen a lesbian that resembled a man). I also wouldn't get annoyed if people called me by girl names either. Do you think Zach Braff on Scrubs wanted to commit suicide because Dr. Cox called him Nancy?

I'm not "afraid" of trans people. I think they're fascinating snowflakes just like everybody else. I just think you have done too much "research" into the matter that it deludes your perspectives on real life. An Elvis impersonator once dropped an air compressor at my store. I managed to maintain my composure and my stifled laughter just came off as a friendly smile. It helped that he didn't also expect me to call him "Elvis." Crossdressing is essentially cosplay to me, which is perfectly fine, but if it's anything more than that, it feels like mental illness (to me).

Again, sorry if that hurts yours or anyone else's feelings, but it's the internet. I don't spout this stuff in the general public. I don't even feel like I have a problem with these people or would have any difficulty interacting or being friends with them. Privately, I think it's a little fucked up. And if I think it's fucked up (and I'm fairly liberal), a lot of people probably do to a much greater extent. If you see yourself as a "defender" of this, you must also understand the resistance to it. Name calling doesn't breed understanding.

OK, I think we're done here. Clearly nothing I say is getting through to you, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[Carlos Storm]

Well I think you're pretty close, transgenderism will most likely be the next big thing, given we don't kill each other before then. Homophobia will definitely still linger, the christian model of only men and women being allowed to marry is so ingrained into our culture that it's impossible for it not to.

As for my personal opinion on transgender, I really have no pity for them, they can mutilate their bodies all they want, but they were born with either XX or XY sex chromosomes, sorry kids, no reroll shenanigans.

 

[StBishop]

Sorry for the long time between posts. I had to sleep.

I don't appreciate being called a liar, we differ in opinion and that's allowed.

You obviously derive a very different meaning from the Qur'an than, well, anyone I've ever known.

I've never met an extremist personally so I can't comment on their frequency. We've obviously had vastly different experiences with Islam and I won't fault you for making assumptions based on your experiences. I just ask that, perhaps when travelling, you don't assume all Muslims act in the same way as the ones local to you do.

I don't, ive been raised better than that. I give every person 1 chance to prove me wrong, always. People just seem to think that just because I hate their religion and beliefs that I hate each and every single individual of them wich is far from the truth.

While that's all very well and good this:

I have one right next to me and it is one of the most disgusting things I have ever read(and dreadfully fucking boring). [...][footnote]I snipped the bit about calling me a liar, it's irrelevant.[/footnote] It's a fascist ideology that is both violent and corrupt too its core.

Is probably informing your judgements more than you realise.

I would also recommend that telling someone you hate their religion is going to make them act negatively toward you, which will affect your interactions skewing them toward more negative than positive.

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There's a pretty significant fat acceptance movement and some members are actually trying to equate the "oppression of larger peoples" with what happened to African Americans in the past.

I'm pretty sure that fat people weren't enslaved. Not to mention everything else which has happened to, well, all non-white ethnicities.

Fat acceptance movement!? Are you serious?

Last I checked being overweight was because you have little self control and a poor diet, not because you were born that way. What's next, bulimia acceptance movement? These people need help, not toleration.

I'm dead serious. There's links to them (for lulz) on /fit/ (the health and fitness board on 4chan); I'll quote you in this thread with a link next time I see one.

 

[DefiantGoblin]

This generations racism will be racism.

As a society I think we're fairly tolerant but it's apparent from comments on news articles that people aren't fond of high immigration, due in-part to the being part of the EU, and that there is quite a bit of prejudice against both West-asian(Indian/Pakistani)people, unfortunately people take this one out on Islam, and Polish people.

As far as LGBT is concerned as far as I'm aware it's not a problem at all in England. Sure some young kids use gay as an insult on playgrounds, but that's usually before any of them know about sexuality. I've never seen anyone treated differently for being gay and as far as I'm aware they have all the same job opportunities. If anybody expressed any negative sentiment about Gay people I'm fairly sure that people would look at them like they'd just stepped out of the ninteen forties.

The trans-gender one is a bit tricky because of the association with drag-queens etc makes it a bit jokey and people aren't particularly familiar with it as it's not particularly big at the moment, but even then I've never seen anyone go out of there way to be nasty (it just seems to take a bit more thought to know what to say to address this issue) and forms where gender is required now ask "what gender do you consider yourself" or offer an "other" box.