Our US government: Should they fear us or Controle?

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EMFCRACKSHOT

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72Chevy said:
What if said elected officials decide to take the right to vote away? Then how do we vote them out? Bullets.
To do so they would have to have the full support of the judiciary, the police and the armed forces.
If they tried such a thing without said support then it would be impossible to implement. The judicary and the police would simply refuse to obey any orders given and the Armed forces would be placed in a situation where they should remove the current government and allow free elections to be held.
 

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Arhy said:
clicketycrack said:
Anyway, NO SHIT OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD FEAR US, but they don't because the U.S. military has got some scary shit.
What they gonna do? Bomb their own country?
Not so much bomb, but more like this shit
http://www.cracked.com/article_16710_p2.html
 

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I think the Fench have got it right on this one.
The governement is meant to be a body of people and as such should have a mutual respect for each other, but in the meantime, you do something outrageous and we the people will make you suffer.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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Rolling Thunder said:
Balls, EMF. Any man or woman can kill an armed intruder, presuming both have a gun. All it takes is a weapon and the will to use it. Yes, you have no training, but neither has he, and it's better than lying in your bed whimpering like a broke-backed dog. Police training dosen't magically take normal people, and turn them into crime-fighting supervillains. It takes normal people and teaches them to restrain their strength, rather than reacting like most of us would and kicking the attacker in the face until it stopped moving.


In South Africa, I do not need guns to protect myself from my neighbours, I need them to protect me from the sociopath climbing through the window until the armed response teams turn up. Honest to god, have you ever lived in a genuinely dangerous place? No? Then pray realise you know very little on the subject.
Oh please, i very much doubt youwould have the balls to face an armed intruder anyway. Part of the training the police and armed forces recieve is in dealing with these kinds of situations. You would crack up, piss yourself, hide under the bed and cry yourself to sleep after they had gone, just like most people would.
And operating any gun properly requires at least some kind of training and experience.
And south africa is a very different place to the far more civilised USA and GB. I would agree that in such a place it may be necessary, but south africa is by comparisom to the USA, Canada, Austrailia, GB, Europe and the other civilised places of the world, somewhat barberous and different rules would apply.
 

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clicketycrack said:
Arhy said:
clicketycrack said:
Anyway, NO SHIT OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD FEAR US, but they don't because the U.S. military has got some scary shit.
What they gonna do? Bomb their own country?
Not so much bomb, but more like this shit
http://www.cracked.com/article_16710_p2.html
Okay...little scared now...

I could live with that airgun/bazooka/thing but the rest were just freakin scary!!
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
And yes, they should fear us, because we can vote them out of power.
The sign of an idealist. Your vote doesn't matter, only the corporate masters have any real say in government any more.
 

clicketycrack

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NoMoreSanity said:
clicketycrack said:
NoMoreSanity said:
And yes, they should fear us, because we can vote them out of power.
I'm sure Joseph Stalin was in a real tissy when election day roled around.
But we're in a type of government where we can do that. That was a Communist Dictatorship.
I know . . . it was a joke.
 

clicketycrack

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Arhy said:
clicketycrack said:
Arhy said:
clicketycrack said:
Anyway, NO SHIT OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD FEAR US, but they don't because the U.S. military has got some scary shit.
What they gonna do? Bomb their own country?
Not so much bomb, but more like this shit
http://www.cracked.com/article_16710_p2.html
Okay...little scared now...

I could live with that airgun/bazooka/thing but the rest were just freakin scary!!
I'm glad I could teach you an important lesson today. Now go out and buy a gun, a bomb shelter and a gas mask.
 

Rolling Thunder

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EMFCRACKSHOT said:
Rolling Thunder said:
Balls, EMF. Any man or woman can kill an armed intruder, presuming both have a gun. All it takes is a weapon and the will to use it. Yes, you have no training, but neither has he, and it's better than lying in your bed whimpering like a broke-backed dog. Police training dosen't magically take normal people, and turn them into crime-fighting supervillains. It takes normal people and teaches them to restrain their strength, rather than reacting like most of us would and kicking the attacker in the face until it stopped moving.




In South Africa, I do not need guns to protect myself from my neighbours, I need them to protect me from the sociopath climbing through the window until the armed response teams turn up. Honest to god, have you ever lived in a genuinely dangerous place? No? Then pray realise you know very little on the subject.
Oh please, i very much doubt youwould have the balls to face an armed intruder anyway. Part of the training the police and armed forces recieve is in dealing with these kinds of situations. You would crack up, piss yourself, hide under the bed and cry yourself to sleep after they had gone, just like most people would.
And operating any gun properly requires at least some kind of training and experience.
And south africa is a very different place to the far more civilised USA and GB. I would agree that in such a place it may be necessary, but south africa is by comparisom to the USA, Canada, Austrailia, GB, Europe and the other civilised places of the world, somewhat barberous and different rules would apply.
1. Simply because you are a coward does not make everyone one. In fact, most people are extremely brave, even in danger. The police recieve no particularly spectacular training - there is no magic potion they drink, and suddenly they are capable of confronting armed hooligans. They're just men, like you or I, in a vest, armed with a baton, handcuffs and the will of the Justice system behind them. I mean, look at that pensioner a few weeks ago, who dealt with a knife-wielding burglar by the expedient of punching him in the face.

Indeed, to counteract my earlier statement, I would say that under the circumstances, you would also, most likely, be quite capable of standing up to an intruder. Yes, you would be scared, but adrenaline does amazing things to a person.

2. Assuming the intruder has a knife, and I have, I most certainly would not crack up. If he had a gun, and I did not, I would hide. That is self-preservation. If I had one, I would shoot him, or threaten him, as the sitation warrented.
 

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NoMoreSanity said:
And yes, they should fear us, because we can vote them out of power.
The sign of an idealist. Your vote doesn't matter, only the corporate masters have any real say in government any more.
Yeah, soon they'll all be putting bar codes on our wrists. Sorry, can't talk anymore, its the third time today that guys walked his dog past my house. Now I'm SURE he's watching my house.
 

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EMFCRACKSHOT said:
Rolling Thunder said:
Balls, EMF. Any man or woman can kill an armed intruder, presuming both have a gun. All it takes is a weapon and the will to use it. Yes, you have no training, but neither has he, and it's better than lying in your bed whimpering like a broke-backed dog. Police training dosen't magically take normal people, and turn them into crime-fighting supervillains. It takes normal people and teaches them to restrain their strength, rather than reacting like most of us would and kicking the attacker in the face until it stopped moving.


In South Africa, I do not need guns to protect myself from my neighbours, I need them to protect me from the sociopath climbing through the window until the armed response teams turn up. Honest to god, have you ever lived in a genuinely dangerous place? No? Then pray realise you know very little on the subject.
Oh please, i very much doubt youwould have the balls to face an armed intruder anyway. Part of the training the police and armed forces recieve is in dealing with these kinds of situations. You would crack up, piss yourself, hide under the bed and cry yourself to sleep after they had gone, just like most people would.
And operating any gun properly requires at least some kind of training and experience.
And south africa is a very different place to the far more civilised USA and GB. I would agree that in such a place it may be necessary, but south africa is by comparisom to the USA, Canada, Austrailia, GB, Europe and the other civilised places of the world, somewhat barberous and different rules would apply.
Uuummmmmmmm. I'm not sure how it goes in your country, but this is America, the land of the free, incredibly paranoid, and gun obsessed. In my town at least, they have public courses at the rec that teach you how to use firearms defensivly.
 

Darkfreak

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Arhy said:
clicketycrack said:
Arhy said:
clicketycrack said:
Anyway, NO SHIT OUR GOVERNMENT SHOULD FEAR US, but they don't because the U.S. military has got some scary shit.
What they gonna do? Bomb their own country?
Not so much bomb, but more like this shit
http://www.cracked.com/article_16710_p2.html
Okay...little scared now...

I could live with that airgun/bazooka/thing but the rest were just freakin scary!!
OMG that was mentaly scaring! Does anyone have a secure location I can hide... :(
 

Bigeyez

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But...we do have the right to bear arms in the U.S...so whats all the fuss about in this thread. It's not like you need an M60 to defend your household. And Of course guns need restrictions. I certainly wouldn't want known criminals and nutjobs running around with automatic weapons.
 

EMFCRACKSHOT

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Rolling Thunder said:
1. Simply because you are a coward does not make everyone one. In fact, most people are extremely brave, even in danger. The police recieve no particularly spectacular training - there is no magic potion they drink, and suddenly they are capable of confronting armed hooligans. They're just men, like you or I, in a vest, armed with a baton, handcuffs and the will of the Justice system behind them. I mean, look at that pensioner a few weeks ago, who dealt with a knife-wielding burglar by the expedient of punching him in the face.

2. Assuming the intruder has a knife, and I have, I most certainly would not crack up. If he had a gun, and I did not, I would hide. That is self-preservation. If I had one, I would shoot him, or threaten him, as the sitation warrented.
What a complete load of crap.
You have no idea how you would react in such a situation but you would like most people, probably hide.
Most people do not have the will to use a weapon anyway and i doubt you do either. You just talk big.
The police do recieve training that teaches them how to react in these kinds of situation. They are toght techniques in how to deal with the stress and pressure of an armed confrontation and they are given the defensive training required to keep their chances of staying alive higher.
As for your exampleof the old man. Yes, whilst that was an exemplary act of bravery on his part, i doubt the man in question actually had the will to use the knife. It takes a failry twisted individual to actually use a weapon against someone else without reason
And i don't know how you dare call me a coward. or saying how most people would react wen actually confronted with such a situation and not talking about it safely on a computer?
Now that is what i call arrogance. I also call you a fool with a too high opinion of himself
 

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Bigeyez said:
But...we do have the right to bear arms in the U.S...so whats all the fuss about in this thread. It's not like you need an M60 to defend your household. And Of course guns need restrictions. I certainly wouldn't want known criminals and nutjobs running around with automatic weapons.
But they do... (Nobody freak out I'm talking about Mafia or somthing)
 

Bigeyez

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Darkfreak said:
Bigeyez said:
But...we do have the right to bear arms in the U.S...so whats all the fuss about in this thread. It's not like you need an M60 to defend your household. And Of course guns need restrictions. I certainly wouldn't want known criminals and nutjobs running around with automatic weapons.
But they do... (Nobody freak out I'm talking about Mafia or somthing)
Not legally. And thats what we're talking about here.
 

Darkfreak

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Bigeyez said:
Darkfreak said:
Bigeyez said:
But...we do have the right to bear arms in the U.S...so whats all the fuss about in this thread. It's not like you need an M60 to defend your household. And Of course guns need restrictions. I certainly wouldn't want known criminals and nutjobs running around with automatic weapons.
But they do... (Nobody freak out I'm talking about Mafia or somthing)
Not legally. And thats what we're talking about here.
I'm saying if the guns were restricted criminals would still get them! There already breaking major laws if it requires you to use a gun so why the heck not get a destrutive and ileagle one?