Outside Opinion On America's Shooting?
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I'm perfectly willing to discuss and listen to your opinion and I admitted to lashing out because the tragedy scared the hell out of me but I'm not like you. I don't need to insult the people who disagree with me to reinforce my points. I may be ignorant for a day because I was shocked by what happened but your problem will take much, much longer then a day to fix.Ryotknife said:
Tragic. But as an Aussie, I'm glad on reflection that after one mass shooting, we tightened restrictions on gun and outright banned automatic assault rifles. This story was practically no where to be found in out newspapers (as far as I can tell, I don't read them that much). Hell, I wouldn't have even heard about it had it not been for the escapist reporting it.
Also, if owning a gun is required to make you feel safe, you have far bigger issues that guns aren't gonna fix.
Also, if owning a gun is required to make you feel safe, you have far bigger issues that guns aren't gonna fix.
Im from UK. Thing about Americans is that they moan if you take there guns, but hate the idea of healthcare for all. Gun ownership is based on fear, not freedom. An i know there are many responsible gun owners in America that also wouldn't mind stricter control on who can buy them. Just everyone jumps to the conclusion of banning them, it doesn't, it means making it difficult for nutcases and those deemed dangerous to have them. Why is it legal for 18 yrs old to have a gun but cant drink till 21? That's just backwards.
The NRA needs to be ridiculed. What is wrong with these people? They act like kids having there favorite toy taken away and blame everything other than the weapon. In fact, they should be the main people to look at gun ownership laws in a responsible way and give the government advice on how the laws can be changed and improved to enable safer gun ownership and limit civilian casualties.
As much as i think America is screwed with its gun laws and amount of guns it has makes banning completely pointless, same as prohibition failed. But you can limit accidental deaths with the following:-
1. Limit private ownership to 1 low caliber pistol only.
2. Limit amount of ammo bought. A person buying a thousand rounds of ammo is a major warning sign.
2. A gun license is only given once a police controlled gun safety course is passed.
3. Police visit owners house to ensure they have suitable place to store weapon safely.
4. No civilian needs an auto or semi-auto weapon for protection.
5. If you want a semi-auto or auto weapon then its stored at a gun club vault and only used on there property.
6. Higher punishments for all gun related crime/accidental deaths. If you want to own a gun then be responsible when your child shoots himself by mistake because you left it loaded and lying around the house.
So there you go. Ideas that limit accidents but still allows Americans to buy guns.
The NRA needs to be ridiculed. What is wrong with these people? They act like kids having there favorite toy taken away and blame everything other than the weapon. In fact, they should be the main people to look at gun ownership laws in a responsible way and give the government advice on how the laws can be changed and improved to enable safer gun ownership and limit civilian casualties.
As much as i think America is screwed with its gun laws and amount of guns it has makes banning completely pointless, same as prohibition failed. But you can limit accidental deaths with the following:-
1. Limit private ownership to 1 low caliber pistol only.
2. Limit amount of ammo bought. A person buying a thousand rounds of ammo is a major warning sign.
2. A gun license is only given once a police controlled gun safety course is passed.
3. Police visit owners house to ensure they have suitable place to store weapon safely.
4. No civilian needs an auto or semi-auto weapon for protection.
5. If you want a semi-auto or auto weapon then its stored at a gun club vault and only used on there property.
6. Higher punishments for all gun related crime/accidental deaths. If you want to own a gun then be responsible when your child shoots himself by mistake because you left it loaded and lying around the house.
So there you go. Ideas that limit accidents but still allows Americans to buy guns.
I dont normally insult , but you basically accused my country of being a third world country and have shown a complete and willful ignorance about the entire subject matter when it comes to the inner workings of the US. Being scared is no excuse for anyone to act like a bigot. You can backpedal as much as you like, it does not excuse what you said.Zeckt said:
But hey, im willing to drop the subject, in fact consider it dropped in this thread! Merry Early Christmas.
I'm American, and I feel a need to interject. There is no sense of proportionality here. Now yes, the Conneticut shooting is a tragedy. It's a tragedy almost 30 fatalities big, and larger tragedies do not diminish the loss of innocent children. But when looking at the world as a whole, there is no reason to see this as a major factor in judging the United States. I remember checking CNN the day after the shooting, and I remember seeing endless headlines about the 28 dead. Then, tucked deep in the international news section was a little article reporting on 500 people killed in some foreign country. And I remember quickly doing some rough math and pondered how exactly it works that one person killed in a very iconic and interesting tragedy could massively eclipse about 17 dead in a more boring one. The fact of the matter is that even though a school shooting is terrible, and acts as a very personal metaphor for grief and endemic problems in society, drawing conclusions about the country as a whole from such a comparatively tiny event doesn't make sense. Because EVERY country has problems that are hundreds of times as tragic as this school shooting, and drawing conclusions about America based on interesting stories of school shootings is functionally the equivalent of admitting that you prefer an interesting narrative to innocent lives.
England here, was on the fronts of newspapers and all over the news, call me cold hearted but I don't give a shit more than "that's unfortunate". I wish people would stop going on about it now, the fact that this has brought so much attention is making it more likely more stuff like this will happen in the future.
dont forget on the next day 20+ people died in a VA hospital in the US (and it was the hospital's fault), and nary a crap was given.Xanadu84 said:
Also to non Americans, personally you dont have to feel this tragedy on the same level as we do. It does not make you a terrible person in my opinion. There are so many terrible events that happen all over the world that it is hard to take them all personally and still keep your sanity.
The trouble with America changing the way it is is that America is not made up of Americans. There is no American culture. There is no American person. Not in the traditional sense, at any rate. If you want to be called an American, all you need to do is come to America and live for awhile. Nobody will even give you a second glance!
I, for one, as a native Texan, agree that fully automatic weapons are a bad idea for most people. That said, a semi-automatic (the sort of pistols used in this tragedy) have the potential to do more good than harm. For my money, though, single action. I only need six shots.
OP: we already know what the outside world thinks of America and I shouldn't be shocked to learn that the general reaction was "oh, good."
I, for one, as a native Texan, agree that fully automatic weapons are a bad idea for most people. That said, a semi-automatic (the sort of pistols used in this tragedy) have the potential to do more good than harm. For my money, though, single action. I only need six shots.
OP: we already know what the outside world thinks of America and I shouldn't be shocked to learn that the general reaction was "oh, good."
As sad as it is, this is nothing new from America. When these events happen citizens are always happy to jump on things such as video games but it's very rare they blame there gun laws, some examples i've seen over the past few days follow the same train of thought that even without guns this would of happened with a knife, well yes i suppose it would but it's a lot harder to kill 20 odd people with a knife than it is a gun in the same amount of time.
I just don't see why so many Americans are fascinated by guns, i also forgot to mention i'm British. Personally i'd ban them but i'd get my head bitten off for saying that, but with that idea my opinion is it would never work because they let gun ownership spread to the point where it's never going to be possible to retrieve them all.
I just don't see why so many Americans are fascinated by guns, i also forgot to mention i'm British. Personally i'd ban them but i'd get my head bitten off for saying that, but with that idea my opinion is it would never work because they let gun ownership spread to the point where it's never going to be possible to retrieve them all.
While I have sympathy for the bereaved (I can't imagine anything worse than for a parent to lose a child), I have none for the US as a whole. The president and senators are hypocrites. They have no right to say "Second Ammendment! Guns are fine!" on one hand, and condemn the shooting on the other when they defend the law that allows these events to occur. As long as these guns remain legal, american children will die by them in large numbers. The US as a whole is a dumb child who sticks its hand the fire. Other countries learn that the fire is hot and stop putting their hands in it, but the US is too frikkin stupid to learn and keeps doing it.
There will be more shootings, year after year. More kids will die. Whatever, it's not my country or my kids. If americans prefer the right to bear arms to their children being alive, that's their choice.
There will be more shootings, year after year. More kids will die. Whatever, it's not my country or my kids. If americans prefer the right to bear arms to their children being alive, that's their choice.
I find it strange that a lot of countries say this about themselves. It's like when someone says "I have no accent" - you probably don't see your culture just because it surrounds you so much. A lot of your views will be compatible with the people around you and may contradict those overseas.songnar said:
There is no 'OT' bit next, there's a million threads debating guns right now and it brings out the worst in the Escapist.
UK here. I only found out because I happening to be at a house party with an American guy, and one of his friends let him know. But it was on the news fairly briefly a couple days later. Usual stuff; what a tragedy, reopened the gun-debate, etc. Most of what I know about the massacre is from this website.