Pacifists, I have a question.
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As long as I get the last word in I feel that I win in the end. I have a pretty high pain tolerance so if its just a one on one fight i'd just defend myself without attacking back until cops or somebody else decides to fight him. The whole time i'm being smacked around i'd just be talking crap and making fun of them. Try it sometime, it just makes them even angrier, pretty funny actually.
If you're about to get jumped by multiple guys though my best advice is to just run and call for help.
If you're about to get jumped by multiple guys though my best advice is to just run and call for help.
Ok so I?m waking home from school when 3 guys try to pull me into an alleyway in which I can only assume they wanted to mug me. I never found out mostly because the minute the guy grabbed me by my shirt and pulled me into the alleyway yelling "give me your" that?s when they stopped being a person I should feel any sort of respect or sympathy for. I don?t normally fight people in fact I?ve only ever fought with my brothers when I was younger and my only knowledge of fighting comes from what my brothers taught me about self defence. I much prefer to solve problems with words but you can?t do this with a social degenerate scumbag like these 3 nitwits. So I punched the guy in the neck and then kneed him in the chest before pushing him to the floor I then cracked my knuckles and looked at the other to they were younger by 2 or 3 years than the one I just beat up and so they ran. If all 3 of them where my age or older then it might have turned out differently but when the one that was my age was taken out the other two who I had 2 or 3 years on just ran. I?m not one for violence but when it comes to fools like these I find no other effective way of teaching them to respect others. That was 3 years ago I had also heard quite recently that these 3 morons had been mugging kids outside of my secondary school this the same place they tried to mug me it ended when they were attacked by a mob of 50 kids from the school so maybe some people never learn. I have other stories but they don?t involve me personally and are only what I heard from other people who where there if anyone is interested I can post them at a later date but for now i have a league of legends game to play.
This really depends upon whether the guy is showing any technique. As some others have said, there are a lot of simple grabs and throws to put an untrained assailant on the ground without hurting him much. I have the advantage of such training and would use it if my assailant didn't really know what he was doing.
Not that I'm really a pacifist, per se... I just don't think that violence short of killing generally has much of a point to it. The only thing "beating a guy up" ever solved was short-term redirection of his intentions. Any other effect needs to be applied through more social means, usually language of some kind... and it can generally be applied without beating anyone up.
'Course, if you're talking someone who obviously has some martial skill, I'd back off, draw my pistol with one hand, and call the cops with the other. This is a civilized society we live in, ya can't just go around attacking people randomly.
Remember the words of Bruce Lee: "I don't fear the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time. I fear the man who has practiced one kick ten thousand times."
Not that I'm really a pacifist, per se... I just don't think that violence short of killing generally has much of a point to it. The only thing "beating a guy up" ever solved was short-term redirection of his intentions. Any other effect needs to be applied through more social means, usually language of some kind... and it can generally be applied without beating anyone up.
'Course, if you're talking someone who obviously has some martial skill, I'd back off, draw my pistol with one hand, and call the cops with the other. This is a civilized society we live in, ya can't just go around attacking people randomly.
Depends on how much you've practiced the move and how well the punch is thrown. All told, that simple throw should take about one second for a practiced person. Mind you, if the opponent is trained, of course he won't overstretch a punch like that, but that's how you know where you stand in a fight.SextusMaximus said:You realise that lock is completely ineffective right? Like you'd only be able to employ it on a guy who had never HEARD of the concept of fighting before?rhizhim said:this.DoPo said:
get the fucker person into a lock
and hold him there until he calms down.
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since you got in a 'fight' with no chance to talk your way out of it,
he either is drunk or in rage. both states where you can easily overwhelm him since they are likely to do errors.
being a parcifist does not mean you have to be someones *****.
it mean more that violence is the last of your options and if used, it should incapacitate your opponent just enough to give you a head start.
It might be a joke poster but I'm just checking.
Remember the words of Bruce Lee: "I don't fear the man who has practiced ten thousand kicks one time. I fear the man who has practiced one kick ten thousand times."
I like all the ideas of being able to suplex any attacker into submission, or that feeling sorry for the attacker is actually going to do something. Its so impractical its hilarious. Pacifism is understandable from a war and peace between nations perspective, but against self defense its quite foolish. You should twist the question up a bit though, to really make people think.
What if a man was physically assaulting your wife/husband?
I mean, you can be as noble and peaceful as you want, but when you bring it basic human instincts, I can't think of why someone wouldn't want to physically stop their loved ones from being hurt. Even if you don't accomplish anything in the process of fighting. To me that's messed up.
What if a man was physically assaulting your wife/husband?
I mean, you can be as noble and peaceful as you want, but when you bring it basic human instincts, I can't think of why someone wouldn't want to physically stop their loved ones from being hurt. Even if you don't accomplish anything in the process of fighting. To me that's messed up.
I'm not a pacifist, but I do have to ask: why is your only defense an offense? Why are your only options to stand there and take it or to hit him back?miketehmage said:Okay so I've been lurking around these forums for a while now and there seems to be a fair few pacifists on here so I'd like to ask you all something.
If a single person, of the same height and build as you, were to hit you, and continue to hit you repeatedly, would you hit them back?
If the answer is no due to fear, I'm not interested, if however the answer is no due to restraint and beliefs, could you explain that to me?
If someone is hitting you, why wouldn't you hit back? What gives them the right to hit you? And why shouldn't you defend yourselves?
Let's try to keep this civil people
EDIT: To clear this up for some people who have been asking. I mean if it is unprovoked and you don't know the person.
I'd also like to point out that I don't go around looking for fights, I think some of you may have been getting the wrong impression from this post
I'm under the impression that being a pacifist means trying finding non-violent solutions to problems like this, not that other people have the right to him them without consequences.
Violence almost always does not end well. If you're being constantly attacked the situation is slightly different, but if it's just some random guy around your own physical strength attacking you for no reason, it's actually stupid to fight with him. They might be armed. Run, or get help.
pacifist or not, if your life is in danger you will always retaliate to defend yourself unless .... you're not all there in the head.
i never go looking for a fight but if they bring it to me who am i to turn them down, ofcourse i'll try and defuse it by trying to reason with them. If that fails then the fists come out and show them what i got.
i never go looking for a fight but if they bring it to me who am i to turn them down, ofcourse i'll try and defuse it by trying to reason with them. If that fails then the fists come out and show them what i got.
Eh, call it what you will. Just because I won't hit a guy doesn't mean I'll refrain from insulting him, that's just what I do. Besides if I'd have actually fought back me and him would both have gotten punished. As it was, only he got any kind of punishment while I got off totally free.ElPatron said:
So that was kind of a strategy on my part. I could take whatever he could dish out and he'd end up in the shit because of the whole "punching me repeatedly" thing.
If someone did that I would hit them straight back. Harder. In the groin.
Clearly I'm not a pacifist haha.
Clearly I'm not a pacifist haha.
Kappa?Use_Imagination_here said:
I was serious, though the message might not be understood in the same way I intended it to be.
I don't believe in violence; I do believe that sometimes lives have to be taken; I do not use the technical meaning of violence; taking a life is just like any other action, with both negative and positive aspects. Which part do you find so appalling?
well in my head, i would effortlessly dodge all their attacks until they were too tired to move. in reality, they would probably kick my ass (mostly due to the fact that i have no fighting ability). im a pacifist but i do believe, as a certain point, you need to fight back. i would never throw the first punch and would do my rest to restrain the person instead of hurt them. however, if i felt my life was in danger, i would fight back. if its just a case of someone trying to get a rise out of me or wanting to hit me a couple times to make me look weak, fine. that isnt worth my time and hitting them back would only make things worse. but if they clearly werent going to stop hitting me and were planning to beat the living hell out of me, it would be foolish to not defend myself.
Well your phrasing was a bit odd, but if thats your genuine philosphy than I respect that. It's just that the very short way you said it made it sound like a bad joke (no offense) about thinking that taking someones life is doing them a favour because... Life sucks I guess? If you do genuingly believe that and I misunderstood what you said again, well personally I'd find that disgusting but I still believe in your right to your opinion.somonels said:
No offense taken, I do like bad jokes, but the original post explicitly says 'doing someone a favor,' as in: someone always benefits from the death of another. I do adhere to a 'life sucks' philosophy and am a notorious misanthrope but to my understanding those things, without a belief in something beyond death, create a conflict involving taking lives, but essentially my motto is: "Life sucks, so keep on living it."Use_Imagination_here said:
As much as I like to keep things peaceful, conflict is often the only way to solve things.
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
"Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far."
I think AHNOLD would TAHMINATE himself and it would result in the best fight ever.GamerMage said:
See, that is why I study Aikido. So if someone starts trying to hit me, I can defend myself (read: totally incapacitate oponent) without really hurting them back.
For me, I take every single non violent action I can take in order to avoid a fight. I once stopped someone from fighting a friend by smiling while they spit on me and slapped me. It didn't bother me, because I was in control of the situation the entire time, and got them to back off simply by being awesome and unexpected.
If the situation does devolve into violence, I use Aikido, which is the greatest style of martial arts ever invented.
So yes, I am a pacifist. However, before I believe in non-violence, I believe people should protect themselves and those they love. If that involves violence... well. One day that will be fixed.miketehmage said:
For me, I take every single non violent action I can take in order to avoid a fight. I once stopped someone from fighting a friend by smiling while they spit on me and slapped me. It didn't bother me, because I was in control of the situation the entire time, and got them to back off simply by being awesome and unexpected.
If the situation does devolve into violence, I use Aikido, which is the greatest style of martial arts ever invented.