Palin/Biden Debate

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sneakypenguin post=18.73091.785947 said:
(as opposed to a government exec 200 miles away in a governmental building? lol :)

It's government man! Come from the Government! The Government has sent me!

sneakypenguin post=18.73091.785947 said:
You have the option to change providers if they don't suit you.
"Oh god, jesus, oh god"
"It's ok sir, we are going to get you to a hospital"
*argghhh*
"Prep the IV, he's loosing a lot of blood"
*gurgle*
"Sir? SIr?"
"I....."
"Shit, we're loosing him!"
"listen!"
*cough*
"Don't take me to John Hopkins, I don't like their hourly rates"
*agonized moaning*

Dramatic recreation of why libertarian ideals fail at medicine.
 

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sneakypenguin post=18.73091.785970 said:
Why doesn't it? If i make 200 thousand and I get a 10 thousand dollar tax cut do I not then have an extra 10k to spend? on whatever be it new furniture or bigger TV. How does giving me more money to spend in the local economy not put more money in the economy. Maybe I'm missing something, do explain why it doesn't work.
I'm no economist, but I can tell you that it's not that simple. Historically, benefits like lower taxes and tariffs that benefit big business only widen the gap between rich and poor. The "trickle-down-theory" isn't completely bunk, but it doesn't work in all cases. It's taking away a dollar and giving back a quarter. Just look at the widening gap now between rich and poor. Why keep going down that road? Why not try something with a chance at success?
 

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orannis62 post=18.73091.785997 said:
Delta4845 post=18.73091.785955 said:
The trickle-down theory does not work
It most certainly does...in theory. In practice, however, it has failed miserably.
Hmmm I shouldn't have said theory (everything works in theory, Especially communism)
And the whole "He chose Palin ploy" made me moderate to very liberal this election
I actually voted for Bush last election, and I might go conservative again but not in the next two years
 

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Yay for healthcare! That means, even if you don't have insurance or tons of cash, you WILL get treated at the hospital. That's a sense of security you won't have otherwise unless you're rich, and even then, ouch, the pain of the bill.

Which raises a question; why are US medical bills so high compared to other places? You can make a ton of money if you go to Med school, but it's not like other doctors in other places make less.

Personally, too much individualism is bad. It's just tough trying to figure out all your money for yourself. (Thank Science, I mean God, for financial aid and scholarships!)
 

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sneakypenguin post=18.73091.785947 said:
SilentHunter7 post=18.73091.785909 said:
You already pay for other people's healthcare. It's called insurance premiums.

And I'd much rather the government decide my healthcare than a bunch of insurance execs in an office skyscraper 200 miles away.
(as opposed to a government exec 200 miles away in a governmental building? lol :)
Point taken. But at least we can threaten them with voting for the other guy. Some times. Maybe.

I just have a deep-rooted hatred for insurance companies, and their tendency to exploit loopholes to deny a claim, even when a lifelong customer's life is in the balance.

I think in this age of modern medicine, people shouldn't have to worry about their son/daughter/spouse/parent developing a crippling disease, and either becoming indebted for the rest of their life, or be forced to watch them die. All for something that can be fixed with something as trivial as a little piece of green paper with numbers on it.
 

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Alliecat post=18.73091.783344 said:
Liberal Love It's called not being insane. Every normal person doesn't like Palin. She's evil! She's backwards! And she cannot be president! Period. She just should not have that chance.
before Bush was elected, everyone called those who didn't like Bush liberals, and other dirty names, saying they were insane and that our pessimism on his presidency was unwarranted. And then, look what happened?
Spoken like a true liberal, everyone who disagrees with you is either evil and should be shot, or is insane and should be locked up. Stalin would be pleased. Of the many people I know, almost none match your definition of normal. Very few dislike her; most are neutral or like her somewhat, or freakin' love her (like myself.)

Just so we're all on the same page, voting for a bill to allow babies accidentally born during a botched abortion to die of blood loss or exposure without medical care (Obama voted this way three times as a state senator, explaining his vote as "saving the baby would call into question the mother's decision to have an abortion) is perfectly normal, while not aborting a less-than-perfect special needs child and raising it qualifies one as evil. Nice, even by Internet standards. Writing a book stating "white folks' greed runs a world in need" is normal, while taking on corruption in one's own party is evil. Notice that I did not call Obama evil or insane, or say he should be shot or that I would do a "grassy knoll" if he were elected, or that he "cannot be president" or "just should not have that chance". I didn't even demand that only those who share my viewpoint should be allowed to run for president.

Liberal is not a "dirty name", it's a broad descriptor of a certain political viewpoint. If it has become a pejorative, look to thine own house.
 

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Personally I want the Biden guy to win. Palin is a loose cannon who thinks shes perfect, and her total lack of reguard for the enviroment worries me. If she gets in power there will be small children crawling down the oil wells to bring it up in their mouths, while she stand there with an M16 waiting to invade some poor country. Then she will club a few seals before breakfast, to get that political boost you need!

*Political grub! FOR ALL YOUR POLITICAL ENERGY NEEDS! 'contains oil, baby seals, coal, rubber, jaw lubricent.'*
 

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sneakypenguin post=18.73091.785970 said:
Delta4845 post=18.73091.785955 said:
The worst I view is that when Mc Cain has a stroke in office,he dies and channels all of his Sit- errgh Republican powers to Palin making her The all powerful Librarian
sneakypenguin post=18.73091.783491 said:
He wants to give tax cuts to the rich.(which puts more money back into the econ.)
The trickle-down theory does not work
Why doesn't it? If i make 200 thousand and I get a 10 thousand dollar tax cut do I not then have an extra 10k to spend? on whatever be it new furniture or bigger TV. How does giving me more money to spend in the local economy not put more money in the economy. Maybe I'm missing something, do explain why it doesn't work.

EDIT: I shall stop posting on this thread I swear. I have about half the post on this page, my apologies
It's not that rich people don't spend money (although in general they spend less than poor people on basic things because they can afford to buy better quality things that last longer, or in larger, more economical quantities) it's that they have a tendency to spend it in such a way that most of the money goes back to other rich people.
In any case the simple proof that trickle-down doesn't work is that rich people exist at all, rich people got to be rich by keeping more money than they spent, and if they didn't continue to do that they'd cease to be rich (relatively speaking at the very least).

On a different note, the idea of Palin having any kind of power scares me a lot, I don't claim to know a great deal about her, but what I've been hearing worries me. The sheer lack of empathy for rape victims that her extreme anti-abortionist stance shows for example, the arrogance of believing she can know what God (if there is one) wants, this is not the kind of attitude I would want running a corner shop let alone a country.
 

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Biden killed Palin in the debate. Palin tried to change the subject too many times in the debate. Joe Biden even though he is on the side of the RIAA, I have grown to like him. I'll give palin credit though at least when the gay rights issue came up she handled it real well but you could kinda tell by the disdain in her face she doesn't think they should have any rights (which is basically what she said). Biden spoke his mind and defended his and obama's past actions in congress with perfection. That is where Palin failed. When they came back at Mccain she did little to defend him, or she just changed the subject as a whole. Most of her answers were the grade school, "no he doesn't" comebacks. In my opinion Biden and Obama present unified front. Palin and Mccain seem like they are 2 worlds apart.
 

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BaronAsh post=18.73091.783396 said:
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smallharmlesskitten post=18.73091.783349 said:
Lighten up Nilcypher. I do care about who is elected. i jsut don't really care about Biden/Palin.

I will probably do another grassy knoll if McCain is elected. *Shudder with hate*

I Think Obama has the most chance though and Biden is more than capable.

Okay, now i'm jsut rambling
Yes but Joe Biden will not be the authority on anything. Obama will and what if he refuses to take advice..It could be worse then president bush.(Okay, Almost as worse.)
And McBush would be better?

McBush? Did you just try to compare the most liberal republican in history to Bush?
You mean the same guy who is proud to say he voted with Bush 90% of the time? And who voted with Bush 100% of the time in the past couple of years?
 

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GCM post=18.73091.786108 said:
Personally, too much individualism is bad. It's just tough trying to figure out all your money for yourself. (Thank Science, I mean God, for financial aid and scholarships!)

When the Nazi's took everything my grandpa had and forced him out of the country to the US, he didn't have a dime and didn't speak a word of English, yet he somehow magically he became a retired doctor with an apartment in the Ritz Carlton New York. Individualism got the human race to where it is today, if you want to succeed, you have to work for it.
 

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mspencer82 post=18.73091.783890 said:
I honestly don't get the rabid hate that liberals have for Palin. "She scares me." "That woman should be shot." "She makes me so angry." I didn't know a Republican in a skirt could be so terrifying. Maybe it's all transference, maybe the one you really hate and mistrust is Tina Fey.

At this point I don't know who I'm voting for. McCain wants fewer taxes, but we all know what that leads to. Obama wants to improve the healthcare system, but we all know what that will lead to. Both have plans to help the economy and create jobs, but those plans always involve cutting jobs and making the economy worse.

Really, if I heard the words "change" or "middle class" much more this election I'm going to go insane, because those are the subjects politicians know the least about.
There is hate because the Democrats consider blacks', Hispanics', and women's votes to be owned by the Democrat Party; comparatively few white males vote Democrat. Therefore any minority or woman running for high office on the Republican ticket is a huge potential danger to the viability of the Democrat Party and must be destroyed. We saw the same thing with Michael Steele and Bobby Jindal. So far on Palin the only thing to stick (of the many charges made against her by the media wing of the Democrat Party) has been her inexperience, that she's "not ready" to be president. Which is hilarious considering that the TOP of the Democrat ticket is a man whose signal accomplishment in the State Senate is a bill expanding coverage on an existing program and whose signal accomplishment in the US Senate is yet another Senate ethics bill which never even made it to a vote, but you go with what you have, and on Palin what they have is relative inexperience.

I think socialized medicine is a given, and the longer we wait probably the harder it's going to be. The big reason all the corporate money goes to the Democrats is health care - they want the government to move the cost of health care onto the public dime (like every other major industrial country) to make themselves more competitive with foreign corporations. And it won't be all bad, assuming we can cut predatory litigation out of the picture. The areas where socialized medicine fails are the major expenses (look at the waiting times to get an MRI in Canada or the UK versus the USA) and in expensive end-of-life and therapies with low odds of success. Socialized medicine lets older people, and other people who have slight odds of survival, die and spends that money on better care for the young, which in many cases actually seems to increase overall longevity. Money for new drug research will take a major hit, but if it is managed correctly, managing the cost of medicines by regulation rather than competition, the hit need not be terribly bad because so much of research money goes into producing competitive drugs rather than new drugs. So overall poor people will fare much better, the middle class hopefully not much worse, and I suspect the very rich will do just fine as well. The people who really get hurt with socialized medicine are the elderly, those with serious but very rare diseases, and the very sick who need very expensive care for even a small chance of survival. Plus at this point we can start socialized medicine with an advantage most nations didn't have - we already have huge stocks of the very expensive medical diagnostic equipment that socialized medicine finds so hard to fund.

Cutting taxes increases government revenue. Period. Even Barack Obama admitted that when he recently said he might have to postpone letting the Bush tax cuts expire to keep the economy going. The argument for raising high income taxes is for fairness - liberals believe it is worth taking a hit in revenue to punish high earners in order to flatten the income curve.
 

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I belive that they both did well, they manged to control them selves and exeded expectations.

How ever i have to admit i disliked how Palin spoke in genreal. shes far to "local yocal" for me, also she seems to belive that both she and her husband are running for the position.
 

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I think College Humor hit the nail on the head [http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=reRTXJSyTjo] this time.
 

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I think Palin did worse than Biden. She often misinterpreted what he said and ignored his previous comments (which often ruined her current ones). Her voice started shaking at one point, which was highly irritating. She often couldn't defend herself and McCain's previous decisions. Biden ended up burning her good with a pun on the bridge to nowhere. Biden overall sounded more professional, which is a given since he's a senator. She lacks experience.

And with my over-opinionated Democraticness? McCain fails. NEVER insult Canadian medicare (and every other countries') you motherfucking senile old fart! Palin needs to stop using her stupid gender because even the feminists are endorsing Obama (Colbert had an organization for women say it should you care to know). I don't care whether she's a stupid soccer mom! STFU!