I have had a go at parkour once, a friend talked me into it. I prefer skateboarding. For starters, you can't beat a good vert.
Exactly.wordsmith said:Freerunning is about reaching a destination in the most stylish, flamboyant and acrobatic way.
Parkour is about reacing a destination in the most efficient way, using the least amount of effort possible.
Flips are not parkour
Rolls are (force absorbing rolls only)
Styled Jumps (tuck, pike etc) are not parkour
Vaults are
You get the picture
I really just enjoy getting places in unconventional ways, and the fluid feel of my movement. I actually like the noncompetitive nature of parkour. It's all about getting better for yourself, not to beat others. I've never been a massive fan of wanting to get better merely to beat other people, because there's a definite endpoint to that, whereas no matter how good you are, you can always get better if your motivation is to be better than yourself.Dilla said:NOTE - THIS IS NOT A FLAME OR HATE POST.
Parkour and free-running have always interested me. I'm a skate boarder, have been for around 10 years now. Over the last year or so, various spots I visit to skate at in London have been coming more and more popular with free-runners. A lot of the time I see young kids jumping jumps I don't think they should be trying.
The point to my post is a general musing. What is the point of Parkou/FR? From what I've seen it's a very limited past time.
I'm not so ignorant as to dismiss it straight away, I've just never seen the appeal. As opposed to skating, which can be considered competitive. Which appeals to me. Personal enjoyment is great and you don't need any other reason to do something, if you enjoy it. I just wondered what people's various reasons were for taking up the aforementioned past-time?
Not true. If anything you should train in winter, especially since winters seem to be getting longer and harsher it would be silly to just train when it's sunny. This christmas just gone I was training around that time and down here we had rain constantly for several weeks but that didn't stop me from training at all. The weather is just another obstacle, not only that but if you stop training regardless of if you were to do conditioning everyday that you didn't train, then your fitness would regress, you would forget how to do certain things once you do get back to training. When training in winter you have to restrict your movements alot more and not be as careless as you would be in summer or spring, that's when injuries(like yours)are most likely to happen. Take things slowly, you train alot of different muscles that you wouldn't normally use. I was balancing on rails when they were wet, it helps getting over your fears too, now I speed along rails like they're nothing cause I continued training and got over my fear of rails.UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:"never do parkour in winter"
Not true at all.wordsmith said:Flips are not parkour
Rolls are (force absorbing rolls only)
Styled Jumps (tuck, pike etc) are not parkour
Vaults are
You get the picture
It's a roundabout kinda thing really. People fail or don't want to learn the philosophical side to Parkour, they mistakingly think it's just about leaping over rooftops, they go and do it because they want to be better than the people they foolishly try to relipcate in the videos, they get hurt, and it's their own damn faults for being stupid and not understanding. One of my friends recently did a catpass off a really high rail near where we meet up to train and landed on his head, thank god he didn't die but he has a tendency to try silly things like that. Whenever someone new starts out I always tell them about it and tell them not to do stupid things like that, I also tell them not to always compare themselves with others, that's not the point of Parkour at all.Liverandbacon said:I really just enjoy getting places in unconventional ways, and the fluid feel of my movement. I actually like the noncompetitive nature of parkour. It's all about getting better for yourself, not to beat others. I've never been a massive fan of wanting to get better merely to beat other people, because there's a definite endpoint to that, whereas no matter how good you are, you can always get better if your motivation is to be better than yourself.
As for the young kids trying dangerous jumps, that's just a bad idea. Parkour does not need to be confined to the rooftops, in fact, it is generally more applicable at ground level. That's one problem I have with most of the videos on youtube: They pretty much only show stuff on roofs. This has caused a lot of misunderstandings about the nature of parkour. I've actually been told "Oh, you do parkour? That's the thing where people do flips off of really high rooftops." This could not be further from the truth. As I said earlier, most parkour is not practiced on rooftops, and flips are not part of parkour. The problem is that kids who see a lot of the videos think "OMG BADASS!!11!", try jumping off of a roof, and royally mess themselves up.
Parkour On Dude parkour onWlknCntrdiction said:I've been doing Parkour now for just gone 7 months(11th Feb)and I'm loving it just as much as I did on the first day that I started it. It has changed the way I look at everything really and the things around me that I wouldn't look at if I hadn't ever started Parkour. I'm not really self conscious of me looking at at a kerb or wall pensievely, I've learnt long ago not to care what people think.
Where I live(Luton)it's getting quite alot of attention, my friend Bloo started up BedsParkour, a team of sorts who just parkour around Beds, Herts and Bucks. I've got quite a few people to come out and train with our group. At the moment we have about 25+ traceurs I would say and I'm always looking for others who may be interested in parkour to come along to a training session and see for themselves what it is that we do.
Also just thought I'd say I made a similar topic quite a while back: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.72241?page=2
Not true. If anything you should train in winter, especially since winters seem to be getting longer and harsher it would be silly to just train when it's sunny. This christmas just gone I was training around that time and down here we had rain constantly for several weeks but that didn't stop me from training at all. The weather is just another obstacle, not only that but if you stop training regardless of if you were to do conditioning everyday that you didn't train, then your fitness would regress, you would forget how to do certain things once you do get back to training. When training in winter you have to restrict your movements alot more and not be as careless as you would be in summer or spring, that's when injuries(like yours)are most likely to happen. Take things slowly, you train alot of different muscles that you wouldn't normally use. I was balancing on rails when they were wet, it helps getting over your fears too, now I speed along rails like they're nothing cause I continued training and got over my fear of rails.UNKNOWNINCOGNITO said:"never do parkour in winter"
Not true at all.wordsmith said:Flips are not parkour
Rolls are (force absorbing rolls only)
Styled Jumps (tuck, pike etc) are not parkour
Vaults are
You get the picture
You got the meaning of Parkour right but its also defined as "freedom of movement", though flips and "styled" jumps may not be efficient they are no less Parkour in any way. David Belle himself even does flips, if you want to shoot yourself in the foot then you might want to buy a shotgun so you don't miss lol. I do flips, they aren't effcient but they're just a part of my freedom of movement and that is Parkour, Parkour is any freedom of movement that you make your own, that can flips or anything else that may not be considered "not Parkour". To be honest I'm more pissed off when someone whos' ignorant just asks me to do a flip and then when I explain what Parkour is they think it's crap and like freerunning better, they're the same, but if I explained the philosophical side too deeply then they would get bored, their small minds can't comprehend it.
It's a roundabout kinda thing really. People fail or don't want to learn the philosophical side to Parkour, they mistakingly think it's just about leaping over rooftops, they go and do it because they want to be better than the people they foolishly try to relipcate in the videos, they get hurt, and it's their own damn faults for being stupid and not understanding. One of my friends recently did a catpass off a really high rail near where we meet up to train and landed on his head, thank god he didn't die but he has a tendency to try silly things like that. Whenever someone new starts out I always tell them about it and tell them not to do stupid things like that, I also tell them not to always compare themselves with others, that's not the point of Parkour at all.Liverandbacon said:I really just enjoy getting places in unconventional ways, and the fluid feel of my movement. I actually like the noncompetitive nature of parkour. It's all about getting better for yourself, not to beat others. I've never been a massive fan of wanting to get better merely to beat other people, because there's a definite endpoint to that, whereas no matter how good you are, you can always get better if your motivation is to be better than yourself.
As for the young kids trying dangerous jumps, that's just a bad idea. Parkour does not need to be confined to the rooftops, in fact, it is generally more applicable at ground level. That's one problem I have with most of the videos on youtube: They pretty much only show stuff on roofs. This has caused a lot of misunderstandings about the nature of parkour. I've actually been told "Oh, you do parkour? That's the thing where people do flips off of really high rooftops." This could not be further from the truth. As I said earlier, most parkour is not practiced on rooftops, and flips are not part of parkour. The problem is that kids who see a lot of the videos think "OMG BADASS!!11!", try jumping off of a roof, and royally mess themselves up.
Another of my friends whos' attitude I hate, he won't do anything when everyone else is training because he doesn't want to look bad in front of everyone else, I tell him constantly to shelve this self defeating attitude of his but it's still there. He's always asking whos' best, if I think someone is better than someone else, etc, not the point at all.
My motivation has always been to beat myself, to improve myself and be better for myself, no one else. It's something I try to hammer into every person I train and won't hesitate to tell them if they're thinking negatively about something. I take Parkour really seriously, it has effectively become my life really.
in my opinion faith is not a good traceuse, sure she has balls but we don't die that often.ae86gamer said:I tried doing it after playing Mirrors Edge. It didn't end up to well though.
Yeah I know what you mean. Also when people are running they don't have people trying to kill them.traceur_ said:in my opinion faith is not a good traceuse, sure she has balls but we don't die that often.ae86gamer said:I tried doing it after playing Mirrors Edge. It didn't end up to well though.
build your triceps, they're the muscles that pull you up a wall if you can't kick up with your feet.Sir_Montague said:Can anyone recommend any good workouts to get myself in "pk shape"? I'm not in bad shape as it is, but definitely need to work on upper body, and rolls (for starters). I have a group of friends interested in starting with me, but have no idea where to start... traceur_ sent me an awesome rolling tutorial video already... Suggestions? Workout routines? Anything that can help?
I plan on it. Any specific work outs you can recommend though? Not necessarily for bulking but for toning... I tried working out with one of my bulky friends, did not end well... Just an exhausted me, and a disappointed him...traceur_ said:build your triceps, they're the muscles that pull you up a wall if you can't kick up with your feet.Sir_Montague said:Can anyone recommend any good workouts to get myself in "pk shape"? I'm not in bad shape as it is, but definitely need to work on upper body, and rolls (for starters). I have a group of friends interested in starting with me, but have no idea where to start... traceur_ sent me an awesome rolling tutorial video already... Suggestions? Workout routines? Anything that can help?
I find pull ups and bar dips to be very useful. Also, running is a great way to build both explosive leg power (sprinting), and cardiovascular stamina (distance). My sport is crew, which I've found to be great for building lots of strength without increasing muscle size too much, keeping a good strength/weight ratio.Sir_Montague said:I plan on it. Any specific work outs you can recommend though? Not necessarily for bulking but for toning... I tried working out with one of my bulky friends, did not end well... Just an exhausted me, and a disappointed him...traceur_ said:build your triceps, they're the muscles that pull you up a wall if you can't kick up with your feet.Sir_Montague said:Can anyone recommend any good workouts to get myself in "pk shape"? I'm not in bad shape as it is, but definitely need to work on upper body, and rolls (for starters). I have a group of friends interested in starting with me, but have no idea where to start... traceur_ sent me an awesome rolling tutorial video already... Suggestions? Workout routines? Anything that can help?
hmm, I'm slack with my exercise but I find that actually pulling yourself up a wall many times or chin ups with your palms facing away from you works well. Performing that actual act is the best way to build the muscles necessary to perform the act.Sir_Montague said:I plan on it. Any specific work outs you can recommend though? Not necessarily for bulking but for toning... I tried working out with one of my bulky friends, did not end well... Just an exhausted me, and a disappointed him...traceur_ said:build your triceps, they're the muscles that pull you up a wall if you can't kick up with your feet.Sir_Montague said:Can anyone recommend any good workouts to get myself in "pk shape"? I'm not in bad shape as it is, but definitely need to work on upper body, and rolls (for starters). I have a group of friends interested in starting with me, but have no idea where to start... traceur_ sent me an awesome rolling tutorial video already... Suggestions? Workout routines? Anything that can help?
]fix-the-spade said:At the risk of flaming.
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Why are traceurs so self important?
A free running thread pops up every couple of months, the OP always being all "hey check out my new sport it's totally awesome in case you didn't know anyone else out here partake in my superawesome new sport? For those that don't know it's called this..."
It's getting on my nerves, there must be hundreds of BMXers, climbers, skaters, snowboarders, MTBers, skiers and such on the Escapist, but you hardly ever hear from them? Even though their respective sports are just as valid, demanding, skillful and (more) dangerous.
Why are the Free Runners so desperate for everyone to know what they do? Why can't they stop being so self congratulatory and just get on with it like everyone else?
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Anyway, if you want to talk about Parkour: http://www.worldwidejam.tv/parkour.forum.html
More US centric: http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php
Have fun. Now be off with you!
I'd just like to say that when I created the thread a few months back, I did a search and didn't find any other parkour/freerunning threads here, a few might have popped up since then, but please don't try to make it seem like I wrote this to be self-congratulatory. I started doing parkour a long time before I made this thread. I made the thread when I did mostly because the then-upcoming release of Mirrors Edge had me worried that people would try to jump right in to the sport completely uninformed, and do many of the things you complain about. I wanted to be available to give people good places to find out what parkour is actually about.fix-the-spade said:ohforfukssakeanotherfreerunning thread.
Here's what I said the last time:
]fix-the-spade said:At the risk of flaming.
[Rant]
Why are traceurs so self important?
A free running thread pops up every couple of months, the OP always being all "hey check out my new sport it's totally awesome in case you didn't know anyone else out here partake in my superawesome new sport? For those that don't know it's called this..."
It's getting on my nerves, there must be hundreds of BMXers, climbers, skaters, snowboarders, MTBers, skiers and such on the Escapist, but you hardly ever hear from them? Even though their respective sports are just as valid, demanding, skillful and (more) dangerous.
Why are the Free Runners so desperate for everyone to know what they do? Why can't they stop being so self congratulatory and just get on with it like everyone else?
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Anyway, if you want to talk about Parkour: http://www.worldwidejam.tv/parkour.forum.html
More US centric: http://www.americanparkour.com/smf/index.php
Have fun. Now be off with you!
Anyway.
1: No
2: Since Mirrors Edge came out a vast number of mid teens have decided they're free runners. The result is that I seem to plow into these idiots at speed every couple of weeks whilst out on my bike (because they jumped off/over a wall/railing/fence without looking where the hell they were going). They're immensely damaging for the reputation of the sport, but they're not as bad as the ones that seem to think skateparks are a good place to practice.
These are the same people who complain when a skater/blader/bmx rider clatters into them and breaks their nose, nevermind that they have just climbed up the side of the pipe when there's someone riding it.
It's the current fad for people who like say extreme (notice how many 'skaters' popped up when Tony Hawk's was new?) but in reality have no ability, no dedication and no idea what they're doing.
In three years time they'll all have forgotten and it''l be minority sport again with no threads on gaming forums.
As for you (the OP) personally, you sound like you're having fun with. Keep the faith and all the best to you.