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Griffolion

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ColdBlooded said:
Hey there OP. I'm replying to you from my university campus, which has Newegg blocked on the grounds of it being a shopping site. Apparently stimulating the economy through purchases isn't allowed here...

Anyway, despite this, I'll try and give you some general tips to look at as it seems you're new this business.

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CPU's: If you have the money, Intel. If you're a gamer, quad core I5 is the way to go. Not as powerful as the I7, but also lacks a useless feature for gamers that gives the price difference. If you're going to be doing graphic design/CAD/CAM/3D modelling, then look at the I7. If money is an issue, and your budget doesn't allow an I5, then don't be afraid to go for an AMD A8 or A10. They don't have the power as the Intels, but they still get the job done.

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Memory: CORSAIR, CORSAIR, CORSAIR. FOR CRYING OUT LOUD, CORSAIR. 1600MHz DDR3 is the sweet spot for price/performance. If you want to go higher, expect to get into the realms of diminishing returns.

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Motherboards: People really piss me off when looking at motherboards, because they tell me their uses for the PC, and then proceed to get a full ATX board. "Oh, do you need all those extra slots and features?". "No.". "Then why don't you look at a micro-ATX board. Smaller, cheaper, same performance, less useless features you won't use, space savings in the case.". "But I may need them later.".

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

If you don't need a full ATX board, seriously consider a micro ATX board.

As far as brands go, Asus and Gigabyte are really the only ones you want to be looking at. Avoid ASRock at all costs.

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GPU: This is to do with:

A) How much money you have to spend
B) What the resolution of your monitor is
C) What kind of games you're wanting to play

If you have a bit of money to spend, then feel free to go for a higher end card like a 680 or a 7970. Just know that much of the processing power is lost on a 1080 screen. It's totally overkill. If you're wanting super-ultra quality graphics, or are wanting to cap gameplay via FRAPS then it may be necessary, but otherwise, you can get away with a nice 660Ti or 6870 for the sake of price. Also, and I can't stress this enough, don't be a damn fanboy. AMD and Nvidia both have excellent offerings. In the real world there is very little difference between two equivalents. The only thing you need to be looking at is price, and the warranty. Also, CUDA and PhysX are not damn selling points.

SLI and Crossfire is pointless in most situations. If you have an existing GPU, can't be bothered selling it, but want to add more graphics power, then add a second one in. But in most cases, forget SLI or crossfire and just upgrade to a more powerful single card. It's so much easier in terms of power supply, case management, heat, and the fact you don't get 100% scalability in performance between the two cards. In fact some games won't even recognise the second GPU. So, again, contrary to what a lot of people say on here, just stay away for the sake of your life being easier.

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Sound Card: Unless you're an audiophile, save your money and stick with on-board.

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HDD: Anything by Seagate is good, Western Digital are good too. How big depends on your needs. 1TB is minimum for a gamer, I'd say. 3TB is the upper limit you're reaching on one disk.

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SSD: Okay, I'm going to try and remain calm while saying this: If you see a SSD with a SandForce controller, run for the damn hills. I've heard nothing but horror stories. The only SSD's I'd properly endorse are the Samsung 830 Series and the Crucial M4 series. Yes, they don't have the 1337 transfer times of Sandforce controllers, but those numbers are incredibly misleading. Look at any test, the "slower" Samsung and Crucial ones soundly beat any SandForce based SSD due to not suffering dramatic performance penalties with uncompressable data (which SF SSD's do suffer).

128GB is a minimum. DO NOT put anything else on here except for your OS and some basic programs like AV. Be sure to move the page file to your HDD.

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Case: Completely up to you really, this is mostly a looks issue. Silverstone, Coolermaster and Corsair are all good case makers. Just make sure that you get a case that can fit your motherboard (so don't get a micro-ATX case if you've got a full ATX board).

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PSU: Oh jeeze. OP, you've no idea how much shit I read on this forum regarding PSU's. So I'm going to give you some pointers to go off.

1) If it's a brand you haven't heard of, RUN AWAY VERY VERY QUICKLY.

2) The 80+ rating thing is a bit of a scam and so many people on here fall for it. 80+ rating != a good PSU, it just means an efficient one. Efficient != reliable. A number of Corsair PSU's, a make known for its reliability above all else, do not even achieve 80+ bronze. All I'm saying is, don't look at the 80+ rating as the sole determiner for the quality of a PSU.

3) Wattage means nothing, and everything at the same time. Don't look at wattage alone. You need to look at how many amps are being put out on the 12V rails. And how many rails there are. Single rail PSU's (Corsair and Antec typically do these) are the best as this configuration is more reliable (there is reason and science behind that but I can't be bothered linking you, please trust me). The only multi-rail configuration PSU I'd trust is Enermax, but they are typically expensive.

4) 550W will suit a single mid range CPU and a single mid range GPU. 750W will suit a single CPU and a dual-GPU set up. 850W will suit a high end CPU with overclocking headroom and up to a dual GPU setup. 1000W+ is for a high end overclocked CPU, a high end dual GPU setup with potential overclocking.

5) Griffolion's trusted brands - Corsair, Antec, Enermax, Silverstone.

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Optical drive: Just get what is cheapest. DVD/RW drives are so well made now that any brand is okay.

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Heatsink: If you're into overclocking, you'll need one of these. Things to make sure when looking at a heatsink is the dimensions, and if they can fit in the case. There's no real numbers to properly quantify the performance of a heatsink as it's all relative to the climate, your case, the processor and its clock. I use a Prolimatech Armageddon personally, and it does the job well. Closed water cooling loops, in my opinion, are a waste of time. They don't provide much more cooling than typical air coolers, they cost much more, there's more to go wrong vis-a-vie water leakages and mechanical failure of the pump. If you're going water cooling, do it properly and do it yourself. Otherwise, just stick to air.

A quick look at thermal paste. Thermalright Chillfactor 3. That's all you need to know.

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[a href="http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Andy+Hall/pc-building-the-beginners-guide-209622.phtml"]Here's a blog post on Destructoid that I did about PC building.[/a] You'll get more in depth info there.

Credentials: System builder for a long while. CompTIA A+ qualified technician.
 

Arina Love

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e2density said:
Everything looks really nice. But you have a 660ti, I'd think if you had that kind of money you could bump it up to an i7.
i7's are useless waste of money if you only plan to game on your PC. I5 3570k will comfortably provide enough processing power to not bottleneck even most advanced GPUs.

Smart way to build a PC on a budget is to know what to cut to allow for a better GPU. For example for my build i opted not to get SSD to save money. Sure games load faster but no FPS gain whatsoever.


and for topic, good choice man i'm building pc too and it is too 3570k+660ti.
 

fix-the-spade

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ColdBlooded said:
So what do you think? better recommendations, something not compatible, too expensive?
Everything on that build looks just fine. It'll happily run any game from this year on high on a 1080p or 1200p monitor.

But the SSD link goes to the CPU, what SSD were you looking at?

It's worth getting a SSD and a normal HDD for storage. SSD's work best when you keep programs on them (Windows, games, photoshop etc) and then keep files stored on a normal disc drive. SSDs slow down a lot when you load them up with lots of small files, but for programs they are fantastic, they make your PC run like they always do in the adverts.
 

xDarc

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For an extra 80 bucks you can get a 7970. I paid over 5 bills for mine. Saphire has one on sale at newegg for 380 right now + 20 rebate would come out to 360. You might want to search to see if there are card refreshes (and price drops) coming soon.

Otherwise it's a pretty good bang for the buck build.
 

Yopaz

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Christopher Fisher said:
Hawkeye 131 said:
Overall I think it's a good build however, I think (as others have mentioned), that you really should buy a regular HD. Although SSD's are nice they shouldn't really be used to store everything. Even if you can find a cheap Seagate or Western Digital "Green" 1TB or 500 GB HD would do. They won't be the fastest or best drives but for basic storage they'll do the job just fine and it would be worth the extra money. Lastly unless you plan on OC'ing that processor I would just go with a regular i3 series CPU (just one without the "K" marking).

All in all it should be a nice build.

-Hawk

Don't use Green drives for anything other than media storage. They're not designed to be used as a primary HD, and especially not a primary HD that is going to be running games off of. A WD blue drive is what you'd want if you wanted a cheaper alternative to the black.
I have to second this. You should get a regular hard drive, but you need it to be fast enough. Personally I am quite OK with my 500 GB hard drive, but I'd recommend something bigger if you have a decent sized library. 500 GB means I am deleting a lot of games to make ends meet...

Anyway, your build looks like it should be more than OK and I wish you all the luck building it.
 

Christopher Fisher

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Arina Love said:
e2density said:
Everything looks really nice. But you have a 660ti, I'd think if you had that kind of money you could bump it up to an i7.
i7's are useless waste of money if you only plan to game on your PC. I5 3570k will comfortably provide enough processing power to not bottleneck even most advanced GPUs.

Smart way to build a PC on a budget is to know what to cut to allow for a better GPU. For example for my build i opted not to get SSD to save money. Sure games load faster but no FPS gain whatsoever.


and for topic, good choice man i'm building pc too and it is too 3570k+660ti.

Yeah, there's no reason to go with a better CPU. Games don't demand uberpowerful CPUs, and it would be far better to put that money towards a better GPU (not that the 660ti is remotely bad or anything).
 

Laughing Man

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All this speak of HDs and SSDs speed vs storage I am sorta shocked that NOONE suggested the best of both worlds. A boot SSD and a pair of decent HDs in Raid 0 for maximum speed and huge storage capacity. Okay in this instance you would want to go for a top brand HD since one failing would result in the lose of all data but I've been running a pair of Samsung F3s for the best part of 3 years in Raid 0 and they are just a fraction slower than my boot SSD (also a Samsung.)

128GB is a minimum. DO NOT put anything else on here except for your OS and some basic programs like AV. Be sure to move the page file to your HDD.
With 8gig of Ram he could turn the page file off totally.

5) Griffolion's trusted brands - Corsair, Antec, Enermax, Silverstone.
I would assume Seasonic as well since Corsairs are essentially re branded Seasonics?

Forget SLI or Crossfire, just get a more powerful GPU now and be done. I would go for a 670GTX (hell what am I saying I DID go for a 670GTX.) The CPU will last for ages, I am still rocking an overclocked I5 750 and that beast you've chosen should OC very nicely providing you feed it with good cooling.

3) Wattage means nothing, and everything at the same time. Don't look at wattage alone. You need to look at how many amps are being put out on the 12V rails. And how many rails there are. Single rail PSU's (Corsair and Antec typically do these) are the best as this configuration is more reliable (there is reason and science behind that but I can't be bothered linking you, please trust me). The only multi-rail configuration PSU I'd trust is Enermax, but they are typically expensive.

4) 550W will suit a single mid range CPU and a single mid range GPU. 750W will suit a single CPU and a dual-GPU set up. 850W will suit a high end CPU with overclocking headroom and up to a dual GPU setup. 1000W+ is for a high end overclocked CPU, a high end dual GPU setup with potential overclocking.
This guy hit it pretty much on the nose when it comes to PSUs; Wattage, Amperage and load test are what you want, I.e how stable and reliable are the outputs on the PSU when it is pushed. Expensive brand names are expensive because

a). When you do push them you get what they say on the tin, i.e 12v rail delivers 12v instead of 11.3v (and a crashed computer) when you push the power draw up.
b). If they do go pop the PSU dies and that's all you lose I've seen some horror stories about cheap PSUs killing all sorts of components when they have popped.

Not really much else to say about the build really.
 

Frezzato

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doggie015 said:
FizzyIzze said:
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FizzyIzze said:
ColdBlooded said:
Primarily console lurker here. Forgive my ignorance but you didn't mention your OS or optical drive/burner. That's at least $100 in costs right there. Or is the OS not an issue? Just wondering.
pc master race has no use for primitive technologies such as optical drives. (they are about $25 though, could actually scavenge one for free from somewhere)
Curious about the OS though. Quite a few people on PCPartPicker listed Windows 8 on their shopping lists. I wonder if the OS is such a drastic change that Steam games might have trouble. Microsoft says no, apparently. No trouble.

This is off topic, but would you suggest the $40 digital download of Windows 8 before the price gets jacked up to $200 next year?
I use windows 8 for steam games and everything in my 68 game library works just fine (Even the ones in my "Crap" category...). And I would like to add that TF2 works surprisingly well on linux (Yes; I am in the linux native client beta!)
Yeah, perhaps paying $40 for the Windows 8 download might be a good idea before the price goes up at the end of next January. You can burn it to DVD, plus I also read that the download could be used for a clean install on a new machine.