PC GAMING MASTER RACE, ASSEMBLE!!!! First time PC builder here, how does this rig look? - UPDATE #4

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V da Mighty Taco

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Yep, looking to build my first gaming rig hopefully within the next few months, within the $800 - $1000 range without monitors or peripherals. Decided to go to r/buildapc for some help on this, and wound up with this about a week an a half ago (the price of the whole thing seems to have gone up by about $90 since I originally did this): http://pcpartpicker.com/p/GWYZWZ

To specify what I'm looking for in a PC, I'm wanting a rig that can run most modern games at least 1080p 60fps on medium settings, with 120fps being ideal. I'm also wanting to do a duel monitor setup, which ties into the choice of GPU since I have a preference for HDMI (can be used on virtually all TV's, though multiple HDMI ports isn't a necessity). Lastly, a Blu-Ray Drive and Wi-Fi capabilities are a must, though writing to Blu-Ray discs isn't at all necessary. With that said, what do you all think of this build idea, and are there any improvements you would suggest?

Off Topic: One last thing, are their any thin Mechanical Keyboards anyone could recommend? I'm so used to being on a laptop that large, spaced-out keys would feel weird to me. This one's not a big deal, but I'm curious nonetheless. Volume buttons would be a must, though.

UPDATE: After hearing a lot of recommendations here, I've made several improvements to the list and this is the current rig I'm looking at now. Please feel free to give me any more recommendations on how I could improve this: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8J4DmG

A lot of people are questioning the ridiculous amount of thermal paste, since it's at least 50 times more than I need for building any sort of rig. My reason for it is simply me wanting to have a bunch around for any and all future uses, as I could see that much paste lasting me a very long time and can be used to help others that I know build computers as well. It's not meant to all be used on this one rig (that would be as ludicrous as you all are pointing out XD).

UPDATE #2: Several more improvements made to the rig, including dropping the absurd amount of thermal paste for something more reasonable and of a higher quality, as well as downgrading the Blu-Ray drive for a regular DVD / CD drive instead. Doing that opened up the budget for a 60gb SSD, though that could be dropped for a better GPU if needed. Current parts list is here, and please keep the recommendations coming!: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/4n6XhM

UPDATE #3: I've come up with an alternative build, thanks to the recommendations of [user]Adam Jensen[/user]. I'm not writing off the above build, but am curious how this new one compares to it. Unfortunately, it's quite likely that the SSD will have to go on this rig, since it pushes the budget more than I like. It's still there for now, though, and does having that 970 that everyone keeps talking about so much.

Anyways, how does this look and what's it like compared to Update #2's rig?: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TNvVLk

UPDATE #4: New Intel rig that runs a i5-4590, courtesy of [user]pokepuke[/user]. Still looking at the fx-8320 rig as well, but the i5-4590 does seem like a notably better processor. Unfortunately, the latter rig involves removing the SSD outright as well as dropping from a 600w PSU to a 500w one instead. Anyways, feel free to compare the rigs as well as giving me any more advice that you come up with. Thanks again, everyone!

AMD FX-8320 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/FfdXhM

Intel i5-4590 build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/TrgwCJ
 

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$15 thermal paste? Seems oddly pricey. I don't think I ever bought thermal paste that past the $10 mark.

My Blu-Ray drive has been useless, I wouldn't recommend anyone get one. They are more trouble than they are worth on PC.

For a low-mid tier its not bad. Can't shake the feeling that it's lacking power for the price though. I think you will have difficulty running games at 120 fps at 1080p even in medium settings.
 

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Try something like this as at seems to meet all your requirements.


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tDNGdC

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX Video Card ($329.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($17.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $994.82


Later down the line you may want to put a 120GB+ SSD in there for your OS and a few programs.
 

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Golan Trevize said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
Off Topic: One last thing, are their any thin Mechanical Keyboards anyone could recommend? I'm so used to being on a laptop that large, spaced-out keys would feel weird to me. This one's not a big deal, but I'm curious nonetheless. Volume buttons would be a must, though.
How much are you willing to spend? Most mechanical keyboards worth buying are on the 150+ price range.
It's a non-required peripheral that I can get any time after building the computer itself, so I'm willing to hear out just about anything.
 

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Unless you're going to be using this computer as a media player, I wouldn't even bother with the BR drive. I'm also not sure about a 550W PSU (it's... okayish, but really on the edge of what I'd recommend; 650W is minimum in my mind), and for the love of everything orange and squishy, don't use wireless for gaming.

Are you dedicated to Intel? I've had no problems with my AMD octo-core 4.0GHz; it can really deliver power, and it's about $40 less than the one you have listed. Between that and the BR player (and assuming you find a similarly-priced AMD mobo) you'll have about $100 in your budget for a better video card.

And TWO HUNDRED GRAMS of thermal paste? You'll use one gram, two if you're sloppy, to cover a single GPU; what you have listed is meant for mass OEM builders. You can find a syringe-type applicator of quality paste for half that price.
 

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$15 thermal paste? Seems oddly pricey. I don't think I ever bought thermal paste that past the $10 mark.

My Blu-Ray drive has been useless, I wouldn't recommend anyone get one. They are more trouble than they are worth on PC.

For a low-mid tier its not bad. Can't shake the feeling that it's lacking power for the price though. I think you will have difficulty running games at 120 fps at 1080p even in medium settings.
The thermal paste is because I like the idea of simply having a lot of it on hand whenever I may need it, as I could see that much lasting me years at least.

As for the Blu-Ray Drive, I absolutely want to be able to watch movies and rip CD's onto my computer, which makes it a necessity. Any recommendations are still appreciated, though.
 

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Unless you're going to be using this computer as a media player, I wouldn't even bother with the BR drive. I'm also not sure about a 550W PSU (it's... okayish, but really on the edge of what I'd recommend; 650W is minimum in my mind), and for the love of everything orange and squishy, don't use wireless for gaming.

Are you dedicated to Intel? I've had no problems with my AMD octo-core 4.0GHz; it can really deliver power, and it's about $40 less than the one you have listed. Between that and the BR player (and assuming you find a similarly-priced AMD mobo) you'll have about $100 in your budget for a better video card.

And TWO HUNDRED GRAMS of thermal paste? You'll use one gram, two if you're sloppy, to cover a single GPU; what you have listed is meant for mass OEM builders. You can find a syringe-type applicator of quality paste for half that price.
Someone on Reddit recommended me dropping down from a 650w (my original pick) to a 500w, so I went with 550w to be safe. I'm up for changing this as necessary.

I'm not dedicated to Intel at all - I'm just looking for whatever works for my price range. Recommendations like yours are exactly why I made this thread, as I'm too new to really know what ze fuck I'm doing.

As for the ridiculous amount of paste, I simply like having a bunch on reserve should I ever need it in the future. 200g for $15 seems like I'd never have to buy paste again. XD

Also, I do intend to use the computer as a general media device, hence the BDR. It's not something I really want to lose. Wireless internet is also very much needed for my living conditions, hence the Wi-Fi requirement. I intend to use wired peripherals as much as possible though, especially in the mouse and keyboard departments.
 

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Why the 120fps interest?

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't, more frames the better.

However, if you're using a 60hz monitor, the monitor is refreshing 60 times per second. Thus, anything over 60 frames is basically pointless.

If you're aiming for 120 fps, to make the use of that, you'll need a 120hz or above display. And, honestly, unless you're willing to spend $1000 on a display, you're going to find it hard at this current moment in time to find a monitor that does everything you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405&cm_re=Asus_PG278Q-_-24-236-405-_-Product

A monitor like this, for example.

Actually getting 120fps is a different matter, and likely would require some beefy hardware.

Something to consider.
 

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Monk5127 said:
Try something like this as at seems to meet all your requirements.


PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/tDNGdC

CPU: Intel Core i5-4690 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($223.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock H97 PRO4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($88.98 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($74.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($53.98 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4GB ACX Video Card ($329.98 @ NCIX US)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($39.99 @ Micro Center)
Power Supply: Corsair CX 600W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24F1ST DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Amazon)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC)
Wireless Network Adapter: TP-Link TL-WN881ND 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter ($17.95 @ Amazon)
Total: $994.82


Later down the line you may want to put a 120GB+ SSD in there for your OS and a few programs.
I'm gonna bookmark this for future reference. Might bump up the optical drive to a BDR, but I could also just put that off until a later date to save money in the short term. Thanks for the help!
 

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Why the 120fps interest?

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't, more frames the better.

However, if you're using a 60hz monitor, the monitor is refreshing 60 times per second. Thus, anything over 60 frames is basically pointless.

If you're aiming for 120 fps, to make the use of that, you'll need a 120hz or above display. And, honestly, unless you're willing to spend $1000 on a display, you're going to find it hard at this current moment in time to find a monitor that does everything you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405&cm_re=Asus_PG278Q-_-24-236-405-_-Product

A monitor like this, for example.

Actually getting 120fps is a different matter, and likely would require some beefy hardware.

Something to consider.
I'm going to get 120hz monitors. I don't know where you've been looking, but I'm seeing quite a few 120hz monitors for under $200 on Newegg alone. Example of this is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236102

That kind of monitor would be more than enough for my needs and costs less than 1/4 of the one you listed. No offense intended, btw.
 

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V da Mighty Taco said:
The Lunatic said:
Why the 120fps interest?

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't, more frames the better.

However, if you're using a 60hz monitor, the monitor is refreshing 60 times per second. Thus, anything over 60 frames is basically pointless.

If you're aiming for 120 fps, to make the use of that, you'll need a 120hz or above display. And, honestly, unless you're willing to spend $1000 on a display, you're going to find it hard at this current moment in time to find a monitor that does everything you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405&cm_re=Asus_PG278Q-_-24-236-405-_-Product

A monitor like this, for example.

Actually getting 120fps is a different matter, and likely would require some beefy hardware.

Something to consider.
I'm going to get 120hz monitors. I don't know where you've been looking, but I'm seeing quite a few 120hz monitors for under $200 on Newegg alone. Example of this is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236102

That kind of monitor would be more than enough for my needs and costs less than 1/4 of the one you listed. No offense intended, btw.
That's not a 120hz monitor. It says 50 - 76 Hz on the specifications page.

My TV boasts being 120hz, but it only accepts a 60hz input at most. It has some post-processing that can double the frame rate, but that doesn't change the max input rate.
 

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=

ASUS VG248QE 24-inch LED-lit Monitor 144Hz refresh rate 1ms pixel response time & 3D capable $264.99
 

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Signa said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
The Lunatic said:
Why the 120fps interest?

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't, more frames the better.

However, if you're using a 60hz monitor, the monitor is refreshing 60 times per second. Thus, anything over 60 frames is basically pointless.

If you're aiming for 120 fps, to make the use of that, you'll need a 120hz or above display. And, honestly, unless you're willing to spend $1000 on a display, you're going to find it hard at this current moment in time to find a monitor that does everything you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405&cm_re=Asus_PG278Q-_-24-236-405-_-Product

A monitor like this, for example.

Actually getting 120fps is a different matter, and likely would require some beefy hardware.

Something to consider.
I'm going to get 120hz monitors. I don't know where you've been looking, but I'm seeing quite a few 120hz monitors for under $200 on Newegg alone. Example of this is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236102

That kind of monitor would be more than enough for my needs and costs less than 1/4 of the one you listed. No offense intended, btw.
That's not a 120hz monitor. It says 50 - 76 Hz on the specifications page.

My TV boasts being 120hz, but it only accepts a 60hz input at most. It has some post-processing that can double the frame rate, but that doesn't change the max input rate.
Good eye, and my mistake there. Seems harder to find a cheap 120hz monitor than I thought, though I seem to have found a few 144hz monitors that are under $300. How is this one look? It's $250 and does specifically specify itself as 1080p and 144hz, though I could be missing something:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642

Here's another one as well:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G6IWEE0/?tag=pcpapi-20

Once again, no offense intended if it seems that way. I'm stupid when it comes to this stuff and need all the help I can get.
 

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Monk5127 said:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B2HH7G0/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=

ASUS VG248QE 24-inch LED-lit Monitor 144Hz refresh rate 1ms pixel response time & 3D capable $264.99
Yeah, there's a few of these.

They're pretty good, they lack some of the features I was talking about.

When I said "Everything you want", I was referring to stuff like G-sync, 1440p resolution, etc.

That kinda thing is in the vogue right now, and being touted as the "Next generation" so to speak.
 

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Really solid build, but a few recommendations:
Your GPU is a bit weak, especially if you want dual monitor or 120FPS. And even if you only want medium settings I still feel its better to shoot high and just hold on to it for longer then to shoot low and end up doing frequent replacements. The GTX 970 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487065 ) seems to have insane bang for the buck from what I have read, and its what I plan to upgrade my HD7950 to eventually. Unfortunately they seem to be so popular that they can be a bit hard to find. If that's too expensive, consider the Radeon R9 270 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150702 )

Your case is tiny. This is totally a subjective personal thing, but I loath small cases. If you are going to build and maintain the thing yourself, consider seeing if you can get a bigger case and save yourself some sanity. If you catch a sale its possible to get a good full tower for a price very close to the one you have picked out.

Might want a PSU in the 600-650 range just to be safe. Good choice on brand however, corsair modular PSUs are amazing in my experience.

SSDs are meh. I have one, and there is nothing wrong with having one, but if you are on a tight budget IMO you are better off using that $50 on something that will give you more benefit than slightly faster boot times.

HDD could be a bit small, but it really depends on how many games you own and if you happen to end up buying a lot of hogs like Titanfall or W:TNO. If you have a small collection then 750 is more than enough, but if you do have a huge Steam library consider 1-2 TB

Ewwww wireless. I don't suppose you can use an ethernet cable? Because gaming over wireless is... sub optimal.

Why are you buying thermal paste if you using the stock cooler? Don't those normal come with paste?

V da Mighty Taco said:
It's a non-required peripheral that I can get any time after building the computer itself, so I'm willing to hear out just about anything.
The Roccat Ryos MK is an amazing piece of hardware, and fairly affordable for what it is ( http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/ROCCAT-Ryos-MK/ ) so be sure to check that one out if you are looking for a KB later. I have also heard good things about the Razer blackwidow but I haven't used one myself.
 

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V da Mighty Taco said:
Signa said:
V da Mighty Taco said:
The Lunatic said:
Why the 120fps interest?

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't, more frames the better.

However, if you're using a 60hz monitor, the monitor is refreshing 60 times per second. Thus, anything over 60 frames is basically pointless.

If you're aiming for 120 fps, to make the use of that, you'll need a 120hz or above display. And, honestly, unless you're willing to spend $1000 on a display, you're going to find it hard at this current moment in time to find a monitor that does everything you want.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236405&cm_re=Asus_PG278Q-_-24-236-405-_-Product

A monitor like this, for example.

Actually getting 120fps is a different matter, and likely would require some beefy hardware.

Something to consider.
I'm going to get 120hz monitors. I don't know where you've been looking, but I'm seeing quite a few 120hz monitors for under $200 on Newegg alone. Example of this is here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236102

That kind of monitor would be more than enough for my needs and costs less than 1/4 of the one you listed. No offense intended, btw.
That's not a 120hz monitor. It says 50 - 76 Hz on the specifications page.

My TV boasts being 120hz, but it only accepts a 60hz input at most. It has some post-processing that can double the frame rate, but that doesn't change the max input rate.
Good eye, and my mistake there. Seems harder to find a cheap 120hz monitor than I thought, though I seem to have found a few 144hz monitors that are under $300. How is this one look? It's $250 and does specifically specify itself as 1080p and 144hz, though I could be missing something:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009642

Here's another one as well:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00G6IWEE0/?tag=pcpapi-20

Once again, no offense intended if it seems that way. I'm stupid when it comes to this stuff and need all the help I can get.
I'm pretty much one of the worst guys to ask for something like this. I'm happy as long as my framerate is playable, which means between 20-30FPS, depending on the game. I like higher, but graphical fidelity is more important over super-high frame rate to me. Really, after 60FPS, it becomes a dick-measuring contest to me.
 

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When I researched stuff for my computer, everywhere I looked had people saying Seagate was arse for HDDs. I've got a West something or other 1TB for $100, might be worth going for that. Never crapped out on me, which makes me especially happy when I hear about everyone else's Hard Drives wiping and crashing.

Western Digital Black is the one I got I think. The other "colours" are designed for different purposes, so look em up.
 

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major_chaos said:
Really solid build, but a few recommendations:
Your GPU is a bit weak, especially if you want dual monitor or 120FPS. And even if you only want medium settings I still feel its better to shoot high and just hold on to it for longer then to shoot low and end up doing frequent replacements. The GTX 970 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487065 ) seems to have insane bang for the buck from what I have read, and its what I plan to upgrade my HD7950 to eventually. Unfortunately they seem to be so popular that they can be a bit hard to find. If that's too expensive, consider the Radeon R9 270 ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150702 )

Your case is tiny. This is totally a subjective personal thing, but I loath small cases. If you are going to build and maintain the thing yourself, consider seeing if you can get a bigger case and save yourself some sanity. If you catch a sale its possible to get a good full tower for a price very close to the one you have picked out.

Might want a PSU in the 600-650 range just to be safe. Good choice on brand however, corsair modular PSUs are amazing in my experience.

SSDs are meh. I have one, and there is nothing wrong with having one, but if you are on a tight budget IMO you are better off using that $50 on something that will give you more benefit than slightly faster boot times.

HDD could be a bit small, but it really depends on how many games you own and if you happen to end up buying a lot of hogs like Titanfall or W:TNO. If you have a small collection then 750 is more than enough, but if you do have a huge Steam library consider 1-2 TB

Ewwww wireless. I don't suppose you can use an ethernet cable? Because gaming over wireless is... sub optimal.

Why are you buying thermal paste if you using the stock cooler? Don't those normal come with paste?

V da Mighty Taco said:
It's a non-required peripheral that I can get any time after building the computer itself, so I'm willing to hear out just about anything.
The Roccat Ryos MK is an amazing piece of hardware, and fairly affordable for what it is ( http://www.roccat.org/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/ROCCAT-Ryos-MK/ ) so be sure to check that one out if you are looking for a KB later. I have also heard good things about the Razer blackwidow but I haven't used one myself.
Made this after listening to some of your recommendations. How's this build look?: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8J4DmG

It hits $1007 without rebates or discounts. Is better cooling going to be needed, or should the onboard fans have it all covered? Gotta say, I'm absolutely digging that new case I found. :)

Wireless is needed, since I will not be able to guarantee that the computer will be close enough to the router or modem for ethernet to be viable. It also just gives a degree of versatility that I'd like to have.

As for the thermal paste, I have no idea what I'm doing really or what comes with what. I just really like the idea of having a crap-ton of thermal paste around should I need it, both for the actual building of the computer and for any future uses that I may come across, including helping others build their own rigs (my little brother in particular). It also seems like a good deal for that much paste.

As for the keyboard, I know that there's a lot of good models out there that I could go with once I bother getting one. My big question, though, is if any mechanical keyboards with keys anywhere near as super-thin and close together as laptops even exist, since that's what I've gotten used to after getting my start in PC gaming on this laptop of mine. It's not all that important in the grand scheme of things and I doubt that they do exist, but I figured that it wouldn't hurt to ask anyways.

EDIT: Drastically improved HDD pick thanks to [user]CPT_x_Killsteal[/user]. Total price of the rig without discounts is now $1010, only $3 more than before.