PC Maintenance tips and advice
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Hmm, besides keeping my anti-virus up to date, I don't do any of that stuff, and I've had my PC for about 3 years *gulp*.
If possible, please open your computer case, remove GFX card and check if some of elements aren't suffering from this problem :Knusper said:
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DO REMEMBER ABOUT TURNING THE POWER OFF BEFORE REMOVING THE CARD !
You may disconnect power cable as well. Better safe than sorry.
Proof?JesterRaiin said:Proof.
I'm not against updating system, however i think it's better to download and install service packs instead of auto updates. Please disprove that statement. I'm open to discussion as long as serious arguments are involved.
The continuing production of security updates for operating systems which will never again receive a service pack.
Proof?
The long leadtime between threat and service pack--assuming a service pack will even be produced, see above.
Proof?
The workaround to mitigate an unpatched vulnerability could be counterproductive, compared to applying the update to fix the problem. Examples: the JPG, Windows Metafile, and LNK exploits.
Your logic would have XP users still using IE6, which Microsoft is currently doing its damndest to kill off. [http://www.ie6countdown.com/] Not only that but would leave many, many vulnerabilities unpatched.
Your stance is clearly based entirely on a skewed dataset.
Also, now I'm going to mock you. Comodo's Antivirus is a pathetic product produced by an untrustworthy company.
The largest post count in your examples is 260 on an OS that sold 17million world wide. You're basing your conclusion on a value of 0.00001% of people who had issues? Really? Let's cut that make it a bit more fair lets say that only 1 million copies of XP had auto install active, you are basing your advice on a value of 0.00026%
I am posting from my experience because basic statistics shows that my experience will have been like most others, uneventful. You are posting from the experiences of a percentage so small it is barely worth a gnat's fart in a hurricane.
Now it isn't so much of an issue if the advice you are dishing out is fine and will have no long term effects but MS don't release these updates for no reason and telling people to
a). Not install them or
b). Wait for a Service pack (which for the most part are nothing more than a cumalative update of all the smaller updates that have gone before.)
based on the experiences of people that total less than 0.01% of the user market. REALLY?
Only problem with that statement is that you have gotten the words 'YOU' and 'I' mixed up.
It seems that you have had an issue in the past with an update and have pulled some insignificant number of people who have also had an issue to back up your poor advice. Luck plays no role in weather a computer updates or not I am willing to bet in most cases where an update has failed it has been as a result of another underlying issue and whilst some people may not have the expertise to recover a duff PC and as such may not be able to 'risk sudden death', as you put it, from a Windows update, you seem to believe that they can risk leaving their PC unpatched for key discovered vulnerabilities?
Very very poor advice mate!
but why did you thought it was a good idea to hump your PC?Woodsey said:
I never looked at my computer and thought "that,s one sexy little thing!"
Naaaaaaaaaaaah. It's like i said in post you're answering now - i'm not against patching, updating, upgrading. It's AUTO update i'm against and i politely ask for proof that this service is better than simply waiting for service pack.evilneko said:Your stance is clearly based entirely on a skewed dataset.JesterRaiin said:Proof.
I'm not against updating system, however i think it's better to download and install service packs instead of auto updates. Please disprove that statement. I'm open to discussion as long as serious arguments are involved.
But i was asking about PORTABLE software. I don't care about av applications at all.evilneko said:
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(Sorry for late post, it seems you didn't use replay or quote button and i got no information about your commentary).Laughing Man said:
Flexibility please ! You can't expect to point logical fallacy in one google query and expect to automatically win whole debate.
There are numerous ways you can construct your query and i gave you only one of them.
Try harder if you really care about truth, ask about BSOD, freezes, crashes. Ask google, ask bing, try some other search engines. Also, don't forget that windows was sold not only in english version. 17 million worldwide means German, French, Polish, Russian. They have problems too..
I'm really surprised that you didn't think about it !
Naaaaaaah. I still believe in what i said.Laughing Man said:
However there are two interesting things you said here.
First - luck.
Luck is vital part in IT - i kid you not.
The point when single human was able to predict outcome of his actions with near 100% accuracy is long past us. It ended with MS-DOS based computers. Nowadays approximation is the key. Why ?
Because the outcome depends on too many factors. It's not only about hardware and software anymore. It's also about Internet connection/ISP, drivers, configuration of some application that runs in the background (like firewall) or only partially compatible controller.
We live in the reality when 20 computers assembled from identical parts, standing in single row, one by one behave in a little different way even despite running on the same OS with the same drivers and set of applications.
We can't predict exactly everything.
Luck exists.
Second - underlying issue.
With that i won't argue. It's true, process of updating sometimes changes something that was broken by something else and it results with problems. However, from the point of view of simple, inexperienced user it's irrelevant - he ends with broken system because of auto-updates. He did nothing wrong, he simply agreed to add some security patche and guess what - his computer doesn't work.
It may be because he installed some shi*y application before or uninstalled something else.
It may be because virus, worm or something else is eating his system and some of his libraries aren't working as they are supposed to.
Still, it was done because he let auto-updates to do their magic.
My point stands valid.
Your point, to summarise
do not use auto update because a statistically minute (that's less than 0.01% of a million, not the 17 million total sales, read the post next time.) had an issue after using it. Really you stand by that advice?
Oh and just a little light extra reading
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/itprovistasp/thread/65a0cd0b-d230-45be-90f3-6e23e41c54be/
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-windows_update/windows-7-after-installing-sp1-the-computer-blue/ec05b3a0-d6d5-4d28-b24e-58ba65f9b561
http://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-debugging/159099-bsod-after-installing-sp1.html
BSOD issues after installing a Service Pack, hmm I guess using your logic we shouldn't be installing them either?
The rest of your post, yammering on about luck and such, well it's a tough one
a). Either you're a troll just out for the laughs in which case well done you have me up until this post ends
or
b). You really are serious in which case dude please I ask on behalf of all PC users out there, stop giving out advice at best it is comically moronic at worst it could seriously result in someone f*cking up their PC.
Are you somehow thinking there is a difference between the updates you get via Auto Update and the ones you get via the Windows Update site that most people probably don't use anymore? There isn't. I get all my updates via Auto Update. I have it configured not to automatically install them, but that's mainly because a) I'd prefer my computer not just suddenly reboot on me and b) I like to look and see just what updates are going to be installed.
I still stand by what i said.Laughing Man said:
I understand that my english isn't best, so you probably couldn't understand half of what i said and simply assumed this and that. So. I'll try to make it shorter.
- Cases of OSes refusing to work after applying updates date back to windows XP and earlier. They weren't that seldom as one can think.
- Such cases were acknowledged by MS itself. Further patches and advices how to deal with such instances were developed.
- You can check it for yourself. -> Google. Just remember, single query is hardly any proof when product sold worldwide in plenty languages is discussed.
- And finally, the golden rule that applies to everything. "If it's not broke, don't fix it".
- Solution : No Auto-update. Use Service Packs instead. Same thing applies to products like MS Office, MSIE and similar.
This applies to pretty much every other OS too. Repositories for some Linux distros are really fuc*ked up, but it's irrelevant now
Naaaah.Laughing Man said:
You still don't get it, my quick to judge Amigo, right ?
I'm surprised. People that work in IT sector are obliged to be flexible, and come up with solutions, possibilities. Linear thinking is good for insects, not technicians and programmers.
Imagine such scenario (i know you're not fan of long descriptions, so i'll try to make it short just for you, i hope you appreciate my hard work) :
- some firm
- employee selects "shutdown windows" key
- "warning : updating process, x patches to go, please don't turn your computer off, it'll switch off when patching is done"
- ya, sure, why not
- computer switches off
- employee goes home
- next day, he turns computer on
- "f*ck me, what's happening, there's nothing but BSOD AND I HAD TO WORK ON THIS PRESENTATION AND E-MAIL IT BEFORE 9AM OH GOOOOOOOOOD, NOOOOOOOOOOO, I'M GONNA LOSE MY JOB"
Been there, done that. People often forget about making copies, storing files in the cloud and such.
Now imagine another scenario :
- ok people, it's service pack day, save your work or better, copy it to USB drives, we don't want to risk anything, do we ?
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SPs aren't safe. But they are SAFER.
I hope everything is clear now ?
On behalf of all PC users out there ?Laughing Man said:
ALL USERS ?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/197/179/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png?1320780305
There's c) possibility.
Chill man. Just chill.
I understand. You're not accustomed to the way the Internet works, you still can't distance yourself from what people say here, but, well, it's not healthy attitude. Sometimes people say something you can't agree with and still, despite deep wounds your ego suffers, you're better with the right attitude. You know, "keeping it cool", "like a pro" and stuff.
Try it. Don't let the anger overcome you. It leads to suffering you know...
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I'm not sure if it was me who you were addressing, so in case you were talking to someone else, disregard this please.evilneko said:
- You're an advanced user. You can tell the difference. Standard user (i speak about people that often don't understand the difference between google and internet browser - they are more common that one may think) isn't capable of recognizing what he needs and whatnot.
- I prefer Service Packs because (at least i want to believe it) they are supposed to contain things that are really needed and should be free of anything that could destabilize system. It's not always this way, but mostly is.
- Also, it's like i said earlier - i think SPs are superior because instead of continuous, unsupervised process running in the background you know you install them intentionally. I think that control over what is done with the OS is very important.
Yes yes yes you still stand by your moronic advice, you're right and not only am I wrong I am also projecting my experience as the one and only universal truth... blah blah blah.
I am bored, the great thing is the debate has produced enough stupid from your posts to at least inform those who may have been considering following your advice to at least now know they should ignore it.
Bwana, you still don't get it, no ?Laughing Man said:
Mine talks about how to do updata.
Yours, Sahib, talks about do updata or not do updata.
Different thingas, Sahib, you uderstand, yes ?
If no arguments, go in peace, Sahib, may you're cows be fat and many.