PC or PS4?

[clippen05]

My reasons for PC is that I prefer playing games in general on the PC, better hardware and more games. Also, then I can have everything in one place. And unfortunately I can only have one or the other. Honestly, I think that if it wasn't for the exclusives, my mind would already be made up. So to summarize it, I'd much rather get a gaming PC but there are exclusives and friends that steer me the other way.

Well what I would honestly advise is to go with your gut on the PC as it will provide you the better experience, especially right now with the steep discounts on high end last-gen hardware (I just snapped up a GeForce 670 for £190 for my new Haswell monster rig, will be adding a second in SLI in a couple months).

Then wait a year to 18 months for a PS4, once all the obvious hardware issues are known and resolved, and the library has fleshed out more, as of launch there's only 3 exclusives and the rest are in the post-Xmas period to "launch window".

Consoles at launch aren't a wise decision, there's also the issue of PS4 pre-orders not being guarenteed.

I vote PC, and then invest in a PS4 further down the line and have both. But I'm part of the All-Platform God Race and it's what I'm doing,; PS4 and X1 in a year or 2, stay with PC and Wii U til then.

As for price, you can build a console killer for 500. For 700-800 you'll likely weather the next gen.

I don't understand the lack of launch titles that posters keep throwing out.

Virtually every fall release hyped at E3 is coming out on next gen consoles -- Watchdogs, ACIV: Black Flag, and the industry's fill of military FPS's; if anything, it's the PC version that often gets delayed, or the lesser amount of content as SONY and Microsoft vie for exclusive missions, weapons, etc...

And last I checked, the PC isn't even getting Deus Ex: Human Revolutions -- Director's Cut. Not to mention Grand Theft Auto 5 will probably wait til Nov 2014.

Also, overclocking Ivy bridge is really demanding on the chip and graphics card, not to mention energy bills. And consoles aren't games, so they don't get very many hardware/software launch issues.

Do you even know what you are talking about? How is overclocking an Ivy Bridge processor taxing on the videocard lol; they are two different things lol. Not to mention the fact that Ivy Bridge processors produce less heat and use less energy, meaning they are MORE viable for overclocking and cost LESS in energy bills.

Instead of talking down PC, with points you don't even seem to understand, maybe stick to focusing on the benefits of PS4?

OT: I'd go PC. It'll be cheaper in the long run with sales and free online play, despite the higher initial cost. Also, you can be sure to get a lot more games for your money with the many sales and bundles. Sure, you might have to wait longer for some games/sales, but it's a small price to pay for radically cheaper games. However, I'd say that you should make your decision on what types of games YOU like to play. There are some games that are better designed for consoles like fighters and sports games (Although you can play these games in a controller on PC) ; in the same way, PC's are better suited for strategy games and Simulation games. Judge the exclusives carefully.

 

[Billy D Williams]

I'd go with PC gaming for (in order from my personal most favorite to least favorite):

1. Cheaper games
2. Better controls
3. Genres of games that are only on PC (more specifically RTS and turn based, there are a few console ones as well but its unanimous that PC is superior in in pretty much every aspect)
4. Mods (I won't even play unmodded Skyrim anymore, it feels like I'm playing an unfinished game in comparison, not to mention all the other great modding games)
5. Best indie scene (PS4 is doing a great job with the indies, but as of now PC seems to be on top).
6. Choose when you want to upgrade
7. Better graphics (SEE! Thats the last thing on my list, we aren't all graphics whores!)

There are definitely some benefits to having a PS4, but I just don't see any way to justify buying it except if you don't have friends who are PC gamers. I do, so besides a few exclusives and arguably PS+ I see nothing the PS4 offers me that I really need.

 

[verdant monkai]

Ok, so basically I have to choose what I want for Christmas. A gaming PC or a PS4.

Normally, the choice would be very easy, but there are a couple of things that make this a hard decision to make.

1. Price. Gaming PC's are VERY expencive, but so are PS4 games.
2. Most of my friends will probably be going with a PS4
3. Persona 5. Perosna 5 (and a couple of other exclusives) are driving me towards ps4. I know Persona 5 hasn't been properly announced or anything yet, but if it does happen, I refuse to miss out on it.

As well as all of this, I spent the last generation on the PS3.

So what do you guys think?

Do you like Japanese games? like JRPG's or the beat'em ups? Or do you prefer PC exclusives like amnesia the dark descent or Dont starve?

PC for indie western games.
PS4 for Japanese games.

 

[Adon Cabre]

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I don't understand the lack of launch titles that posters keep throwing out.

Virtually every fall release hyped at E3 is coming out on next gen consoles -- Watchdogs, ACIV: Black Flag, and the industry's fill of military FPS's; if anything, it's the PC version that often gets delayed, or the lesser amount of content as SONY and Microsoft vie for exclusive missions, weapons, etc...

And last I checked, the PC isn't even getting Deus Ex: Human Revolutions -- Director's Cut. Not to mention Grand Theft Auto 5 will probably wait til Nov 2014.

Also, overclocking Ivy bridge is really demanding on the chip and graphics card, not to mention energy bills. And consoles aren't games, so they don't get very many hardware/software launch issues.

Do you even know what you are talking about? How is overclocking an Ivy Bridge processor taxing on the videocard lol; they are two different things lol. Not to mention the fact that Ivy Bridge processors produce less heat and use less energy, meaning they are MORE viable for overclocking and cost LESS in energy bills.

Instead of talking down PC, with points you don't even seem to understand, maybe stick to focusing on the benefits of PS4?

OT: I'd go PC. It'll be cheaper in the long run with sales and free online play, despite the higher initial cost. Also, you can be sure to get a lot more games for your money with the many sales and bundles. Sure, you might have to wait longer for some games/sales, but it's a small price to pay for radically cheaper games. However, I'd say that you should make your decision on what types of games YOU like to play. There are some games that are better designed for consoles like fighters and sports games (Although you can play these games in a controller on PC) ; in the same way, PC's are better suited for strategy games and Simulation games. Judge the exclusives carefully.

Overclocking is taxing on Energy Consumption -- that's all I meant. But the Playstation 4 has a brilliantly modded chip for just that in mind.

Oh my God, here we go again with the PC sales. What's that other thread going around asking how many pc titles people own? It's pathetic: some claim 100 games, and admit that they will only ever play about 30. It's like people who fill up up a library shelf for the sake of the impression or because of sales -- hoarders.

Beyond: Two Souls is my most anticipated title of the fall.
And Yours?​

 

[Get_A_Grip_]

I would go with getting a PC now and a PS4 in two or three years.

Why? PS4 will be cheaper, the games that come out a launch will be cheaper and there will be more games available for it.

The PC has a HUGE library of games and if you wait till sales from online storefronts such as Steam, GOG, Gamersgate, Green Man Gaming, Gamefly etc. as well as bundles such as Humble Bundle, Indie Gala, Indie Royale etc. you can get a lot of awesome games for the price of one console game at launch.

 

[J Tyran]

About the only way to brick a PC is to bungle flashing the BIOS (which with dual BIOS is far less likley now), anything other than that requires either a new part or reinstallation of the OS which isn't bricked just broken. Neither of which are possible for consoles apart from changing storage medium, that or repair knowledge far more advanced than you need to keep a PC running.

As for games CTD at launch? Almost never, not unmodded games anyway. The last major technical problem I had that was beyond my control at the time was RAGE, it ran but didn't run well until some patches and new drivers where released. Jade Empire is an older game, in essence its running as a "backwards compatible" game and having to use a peripheral to run is a lot better than not being able to play it at all. Its better with a controller anyway, it was a after the fact cash grab of a PC port and was designed for the controller.

As people not being able to fix their own PCs there is no excuse, it doesn't take any large excess of brains. Trust me, if I can do it anyone can.

We're going to have to agree to disagree.

You're either lying, which I doubt, or you're the luckiest PC gamer of all time to say that you've never had a game crash to desktop on launch since RAGE. I think you're looking at your experience and applying it to the whole of the PC population, which makes your points heavily anecdotal.

Cruise through the forums of the vast majority of PC games and you'll find a myriad of issues with software that have half a dozens solutions for one problem.

Also, assuming that because you can fix your PC everyone should be able to is another stretch. Like I said, computer repair shops exist in a decent number for a reason. Not everyone who PC games has the know how to fix all PC problems. And there are a bunch of problems that can hit a PC.

Consoles by and large don't have to deal with that and for the sake of the OP I'm willing to bet that the PS4 is a better buy considering the PC's obscene lack of JRPGs, which the OP seems to be a fan of.

You see the mistake your making is claiming that people complaining about a broken game as some kind of metric that somehow "proves" your point, it does not. You can dig up lots of people complaining about technical issues with consoles too, the difference is I understand its not a metric and doesn't really support either side of the argument.

As for being "the luckiest PC user ever" not really, its called looking after your machine. Simple things like making sure drivers are fully uninstalled before updating them goes a long way for example, some simple maintenance helps too. After that don't buy shit pre-built machines, dont buy shit parts, dont install pandoozollzer.com search bars and dont fill your PC with keygens and cracks and your PC should be fine. Yes if I can look after my PC and fix it anyone can.

Anyone that cannot is admitting they are stupidier than a stupid person.

 

[Voulan]

Well, I wouldn't rush out to get a PS4 straight away yet. It's an unspoken rule not to go straight into the new console generation in case of bad technical issues or new policies (what everyone's scared Microsoft will do). As for me, I'm looking into PC gaming. I think I have a very capable laptop for it, and mods are looking better than ever. I'm also liking that the games will be cheaper, because New Zealand has the same pricing problem as Australia, but without the benefit of a high minimum wage.

Anyway, if you have a PC, I'd say stick with that until the PS4 ripens a bit. Then make your decision.

 

[Angelous Wang]

Ok, so basically I have to choose what I want for Christmas. A gaming PC or a PS4.

Normally, the choice would be very easy, but there are a couple of things that make this a hard decision to make.

1. Price. Gaming PC's are VERY expencive, but so are PS4 games.
2. Most of my friends will probably be going with a PS4
3. Persona 5. Perosna 5 (and a couple of other exclusives) are driving me towards ps4. I know Persona 5 hasn't been properly announced or anything yet, but if it does happen, I refuse to miss out on it.

As well as all of this, I spent the last generation on the PS3.

So what do you guys think?

If you are only going to buy a gaming PC then go with PS4. Gaming PC's are only worth it if you are willing to build and upgrade them yourself. (Because it's about 2/3 cheaper to build yourself as gaming PC's are way overpriced).

Spending 1-4k on something that will be out of date in 2 years vs spending 500 on something planed to last 7 years.

PS4 seems correct for you.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

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I just want to put in my two cents. "Bricking" a PC does not mean that games crash, it means the whole PC crashes. Comparing a bricking console to PC Game crashes is not the same thing, and is not what J Tyran is talking about. A console bricking should be compared to a PC bricking, and PC pretty much never do that unless you have RAM that is dying or an HDD that the OS is installed on is dying. Doesn't happen that often.

PC Games crashing to desktop and such, is not bricking.

Read the whole debate please. I was talking about PCs bricking as well as the software issues that affect some PC titles due to a myriad of reasons.

 

[AzrealMaximillion]

You see the mistake your making is claiming that people complaining about a broken game as some kind of metric that somehow "proves" your point, it does not. You can dig up lots of people complaining about technical issues with consoles too, the difference is I understand its not a metric and doesn't really support either side of the argument.

As for being "the luckiest PC user ever" not really, its called looking after your machine. Simple things like making sure drivers are fully uninstalled before updating them goes a long way for example, some simple maintenance helps too. After that don't buy shit pre-built machines, dont buy shit parts, dont install pandoozollzer.com search bars and dont fill your PC with keygens and cracks and your PC should be fine. Yes if I can look after my PC and fix it anyone can.

Anyone that cannot is admitting they are stupidier than a stupid person.

The difference between technical issues with a console game and a PC game is that you have to wait for the developers of a console game to fix the technical issue of their game through a patch most of the time. With PC issues you can either wait for that or look up a homebrew fix. Problem with the latter is that homebrew fixes are usually not the most user friendly to those not used to playing PC games.

Also when it comes to you looking after your machine you have to realize that I'm speaking in the context of the OP here who doesn't seem to be as used to PC gaming as you or myself. If you keep arguing your point of view without realizing that then you're not going to get anywhere here. I don't think the OP has the technical know how to build their own PC (no offence). That being said you seem to be assuming that everyone who's getting into PC gaming for the first time can just collect the know how on how to care for their PC immediately.

That's not the case.

PC gaming requires an ongoing upkeep that results in, for the most part, a more rewarding than console gaming. The flipside to that is that console gaming generally has a bigger spread of game genre selection as well as no need for maintenance or parts upgrading.

Please keep in mind that I'm arguing for the perspective of people that don't PC game. Its very hard to take your argument as anything more than anecdotal if you're going to have the attitude of "if anyone can do it I can do it." While anyone can PC game, everyone has to avoid the many, many problems that can affect PC gaming without the proper know how, and acting in a manner that makes people who don't regularly PC game feel as if they are " stupider than a stupid person" for not knowing the ins and out of PC gaming immediately is not the greatest way to argue your point.

I say this because I love PC gaming, but the last thing I want to do is discourage people from gaming on the PC by carrying an attitude that reinforces the "PC Master Race" stereotype. I also would like to see people prepared for the inevitable issues that can and in a lot of cases will happen to them if they choose to PC game.

So I'm sorry but "If I can do it, anyone can do it" is not a good enough argument to have in defence of the PC. PC gaming has its issues and to those who don't know about them PC gaming can be a daunting and frustrating experience. Arguing with me about it is one thing but if you're going to come from the stand point of PC gaming not having issues because you know how to deal with them, then you're not really proving your point. You're just stating that you know more about PC gaming than someone with less experience.

Console brick more sure, but do console games crash to the their OS' menu more often than PC games do? Hell no. Do console have the difficulty of finding a solution for a software issue that may or may not work due to every console being unique? No. Console also don't need extra parts to upgrade, require keeping drivers up to date, or in general require much external care outside of keeping the console in a safe. stable place and not spilling liquid on it.

Consoles are PCs on easy mode and should be treated as such, but that doesn't mean that someone who's never been a devoted PC gamer before can just jump in a never ever encounter any issues.

Consider that aspect please.

 

[elvor0]

Given you're into some exclusives on the PS4 and your friends are getting one, I would normally just say go for that.

However, in this case, I'd say go for the PC, not only could you get a pretty decent rig more as much as, maybe a little more, it's less likely to have issues, or at least stuff that can be fixed with ease. Getting a console on launch is good and all, but there could be unforseen bugs, hardware issues and the like. PC now, PS4 later next year when they have the ironed out version, or when you can afford one.

Spending 1-4k on something that will be out of date in 2 years vs spending 500 on something planed to last 7 years.

PS4 seems correct for you.

They don't go out of date that quickly ¬¬ Don't tell him that. Granted it may not go for 7 years without wanting an upgrade, and certainly not costing that much. Consoles have the same hardware for 7 years, how do you think they cope with newer games coming out for them exactly? You don't need the VERY best graphics card every two years, or 24GB of ram(a stupendous waste of money by the way), or 2 TB SSD hard drives. You don't have to be at the bleeding edge constantly to have a decent rig.

OT: If you're willing to do a smidging of research, building a gaming PC isn't /that/ hard. Look at prebuilt ones, mix and match, get an idea from them. It's not even hard to physically put together any more, everythings colour coded, only fits one slot, and you don't even have to do that pain in the arse thing with the screwdriver trying to get the clips over the fan on the CPU anymore.

Not only that, if he's using his own PC at the moment, he saves on a monitor/ KB+M, heck you could even cannibalize the Hard Drive and stick a second beefy one in later. Plus even if you spend more building it than the PS4 costs, the Steam sales alone'll get you your money back in no time.

 

[Venom 3135]

A lot of people have asked what sort of games I prefer. Japanese games. I like all genres really, but I always enjoy Japanese games more so than others. You guys have pretty much convinced me into a PS4, which I'm feeling is the right decision. I'm still willing to listen to more of you, but I think I've made my decision.

Now the trouble is finding a low end PC to replace the piece of shit I'm using now.

Thanks everyone!