PC prices and misconceptions.

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Kevlar Eater

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Once I've saved up enough money, I'm gonna get:

Processor: Intel Core i5 760 ($204.99)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-P55-USB3 ($119.99)
RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) CL7 ($84.99)
Graphics Card: 2x Gigabye GTX 460 768mb ($159.99 each)
Harddrive: Samsung F3 1TB 7200RPM ($69.99)
Powersupply: Seasonic S12II-520 ($59.99)
Case: Coolermaster HAF 912 (SUBJECTIVE) ($59.99)
DVD Drive: Any $15 drive
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit ($99.99)
And this [http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005150] monitor
 

Evil the White

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AugustFall said:
No case and don't forget Monitor+100 and OS +50 to 100

Most people don't want to build their own PC

A lot of us suck at this sort of thing and I don't want to drop 500 bucks on something we can't get to work.

It will cost about 750-800 to get a decent pre-built PC.
Most indie places will put it together for you at minimal cost. Just give them the parts and they'll fix it up.
 

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Ossian said:
I got so angry when I heard someone say a 'gaming' PC will run you $800, ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
Well that person is right in some ways, $800 is a good amount if you want a gaming pc that is fairly nice. You could spend $400 on that shitbox you posted, but its not something I would want on the desk beside me...

The whole "ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?" part was a little bit extreme though, because it can cost a lot more than you expect to have a top of the line system. I built my own for a little bit less than four thousand, not four hundred.. But you get what you pay for, I have my own custom watercooling allowing me to OC my cpu to 4.2 ghz easily, dual gtx295s in quad sli (4 nvidia GPUs), 12 gigs of ram, Solid state drive for OS, etc...
 

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Jamieson 90 said:
I bought my gaming rig back in 2008 and its getting on for three years old. It was prebuilt so it was more expensive than if I had built it myself and researched all the parts.

It cost me £700 which today is $1090. Back then though it was probably less since the dollar is so weak against the pound at the moment. If I remember correctly it was around $900 then.

Specs
9800 GTX nVidia Geforce video card.
Intel duo Quad Core 2.5ghz
4 GB of Ram
500 GB of hardrive space.
Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit

I could have quite easily bought a gaming rig that would run games for cheaper but I bought mine to run top of the line. Even today it runs most games easily considering most games have min requirements 1-2 generations behind it at the moment. Come a year I will probably struggle but for now it is fine. The belief that you have to pay $2000 is stupid, thats if your buying Alienware and you probably paya bout $900 for the logo.
I bought my PC with virtually the same specs (different Video Card, but similar power) for just under £400 from PC World in February. I have yet to play a game that didn't run great even on fairly high settings. I'm planning on upgrading the GPU this Christmas, and that'll cost me in the region of £100-150 depending on what I get and what deals there are. It doesn't really need it though, but I'd like the extra power and DX11.

PCs can be quite good value if you know where to go, or if you build it yourself. Hell there are loads of places where you choose the parts and they build it for you, and so eliminate the need for technical skill and the risk of mismatched parts.

Joshimodo said:
It doesn't cost an arm and a leg to build a very high-end rig. Sure, you could go crazy and throw in dual Xeons, RAID 0 SSDs, 24GB RAM and quad-SLi, but that's pointless. I paid £1100~, and I have:

i7 950 (OC'd)
8GB DDR3 2000MHz RAM (OC'd)
P6X58D-E mobo
XFX HD 5870 (OC'd)
1TB 7200RPM WD HDD
120GB OCZ SSD
Corsair 650W PSU
BD-RW drive
Coolermaster Hyper 212+ cooler
Antec 600 case
3 clear case fans with blue LEDs.


That'll last me for a good few years, and it's a good solid rig to upgrade if necessary.
That's a nice set-up there, and a good price too. The thing is (even I've noticed it) that some people think that PCs come in two types "Regular" for office use that can handle e-mail and word processing that cost £300-£500, and "Gaming" that cost £1000+ that you can play games on. So buying a PS3 is less than half the price of a PC and you can play the same games. That's just not true. Your PC is at the high end, and you don't need a big SSD, Blu Ray drive, 8Gb RAM, fancy lights, overclocked Processor, or top line GPU to play current generation games.

Unless you really want to play Crysis on ultimate settings. Though I maintain that Crysis' requirements are so high due in part to an inefficient engine.
 

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I don't know if price is always the deciding factor in the PC vs console argument. There are other things to consider. A run down:

1. A gaming PC always cost more in both time and money, at least, initially.

I can go to the nearest store buy a console and a game, come home, hook it up, and be playing in less than thirty minutes, with a total cost of around $350. I can do the same thing in an hour with a PC, but it'll cost me over $800. Of course that's a pre-built computer. If I want to build it, I have to learn what parts I want, find them, get them shipped to me, put it together, buy the game, and finally I can start playing, with a price tag of around $600.

2. Learning the PC code

To use a console I only need to know where the on button is, and when buying a game make sure it's made for my console of choice. For a PC, I need to know my specs vs the games specs, what parts and who they are made by, if they're compatible, how to put it together, how to take it apart, and an entire list of terminology I would not use otherwise. See, if you work or live in the detailed computerized world, this is simply tools of the trade, but if you are only a casual computer user ( and most people are) this requires a rather large amount knowledge to be learned, and while learning it would no doubt come in handy in other areas of life, it seems a bit much for simply wanting to play a game.

3. Comfort

I think most people would agree that they play video games to relax. A console is made to be played sitting on the couch. It's designed so that it fits in the compartments of most entertainment centers, with controllers that will reach to the couch, and don't require a level surface to use. A PC is designed to be used at a desk or table. Which means an office chair, albiet a potentially really nice office chair. But, even the nicest chair has difficulty competing with the couch in terms of comfort. In short, the console is more user friendly for the gaming purpose.

I am not saying the PC is inferior. In my opinion, it has several benefits over the console, however, it also has an equal amount of disadvantages.

In the end, it seems that if you are only looking for a game to play, the console is the easiest, fastest, and most comfortable way to play, while the PC is the most advanced, detailed, and potentially ( long term) cheapest to use.

Arguments about the positives and negatives of each medium, usually don't address all the issues ( including my post, which is not in-depth) and often involve a futile attempt to point out why one medium is supposedly better than the other, or at the very least equal in all catagories. Which is not true.
 

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I just bought a new PC for £700 -- but only because my current one is breaking in nearly every hardwear area due to a open case, and just bad making. I've had this old one for 3/4 years now, and have always been able to play new games on mid-high settings, and this cost me around £400 for all the parts. Assuming that my new one doesn't follow suit, all I will need to do is replace the graphics card every 3/4 years, and wont have to replace the whole thing until it breaks down completly -- or if games suddenly start needing some new piece of hardware.
 

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452.94 U.S. dollars = 342.850655 Euros

If you can find me a PC that costs that much (even pre-shipping) over here that'll ship to Ireland. I'll convert to worshipping you as my new god.
 

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Ossian said:
People think you have to upgrade a PC every couple of years, that is true, but only one part, the video card.
Plus the CPU, RAM and power supply every four to six years, and the hard drive and motherboard every ten to twelve years (might as well include everything).
 

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Xyliss said:
PurpleSky said:
AugustFall said:
No case and don't forget Monitor+100 and OS +50 to 100

Most people don't want to build their own PC

A lot of us suck at this sort of thing and I don't want to drop 500 bucks on something we can't get to work.

It will cost about 750-800 to get a decent pre-built PC.
I suck at this as well man but forums, forums everywhere! There are literally dozens of sites just for you to ask questions in.
But what about those who don't have time/effort to build one, and want to just buy a decent gaming pc without all the hassle?
Then you'll pay a premium. It's not hard to put a machine together over Christmas break - it's what I did several years ago. If you're a coin-counting student then you'll man up and DIY. Our fathers tinkered with cars, is it too much for this generation to tinker with the machines of this age?
 

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I have a decent graphics card so all I needed to upgrade was the Proccessor, Motherboard and Memory
Upgrading is much cheaper than buulding it from scratch :p so say you build a pc for the same price as a console and it lasts until the next generation comes out then you will have to spend less than the consoles would cost (generally speaking).
 

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Ossian said:
I got so angry when I heard someone say a 'gaming' PC will run you $800, ARE YOU FREAKING KIDDING ME?
I'ma guess that you missed the recent thread where someone was spouting off about a gaming rig costing $2000, going out of date every year, and having more expensive games than consoles? Man, that riled me up, even though it was obvious he was trolling.

If you're a cost-cutting student then GET A PC - you can do your work on it, watch films on it, TV even, play games, chat online, browse and research - do EVERYTHING. Get a console and you need a TV and accompanying license, and on top of that you're going to need at least a laptop for work, and those things get expensive fast and have a pretty high failure rate if you're carrying them around.

If you can't be bothered making one yourself then buy one - it'll still work out cheaper than console + TV + peripherals + license + laptop, and last longer! How can people not understand this? the only thing you'll miss out on is same-room multiplayer, but the list of games supporting that is shrinking every console generation :/
 
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Yeah people blow out the prices of buying and upgrading PCs to suit their own argument but at the end of the day every time I decide to give PC gaming a chance I get told I need to download this driver/patch or upgrade this bit of hardware. I just want to put the disc in the drive and play my game rather than waste what little time I get to relax tinkering around on my PC.
If I had a lot of free time up my sleeve, yeah it might be worth it but as it stands that's why I have my cheap-ass PC for work and my console for my gaming.
 

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A lot of the good prices for PC's seem to assume that I am aware of how to assemble components, which I am completely unable to do. In addition, I have no real desire to learn how to build my own PC because I'd rather be playing video games or hanging with my family.

Here's how it sounds to me. PC gaming is cheaper if you have the desire and the know how but if you don't it ends up costing around the same (in my experiences as a 360/PC gamer).
Programmed_For_Damage said:
Yeah people blow out the prices of buying and upgrading PCs to suit their own argument but at the end of the day every time I decide to give PC gaming a chance I get told I need to download this driver/patch or upgrade this bit of hardware. I just want to put the disc in the drive and play my game rather than waste what little time I get to relax tinkering around on my PC.
If I had a lot of free time up my sleeve, yeah it might be worth it but as it stands that's why I have my cheap-ass PC for work and my console for my gaming.
QFT baby, QFT. I get home and all I do is drop in a disk and hit start, no worries!
 

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In my experience it's always much more than what the fanatic PC gamers claim.
 

Laughing Man

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Run down

Consoles ARE cheaper than PCs, you can't compare the price of a console at launch and the price of PC components five year down the line and say hey this PC is cheaper than your brand new console. Either compare the price of the console now vs the price of the PC now in which in case ithe console is still cheaper or compare the price of the console at launch vs the price of the equivalent PC at that time, chances are the PC would have had a hard time keeping up.

Get a console and you need a TV and accompanying license
and a PC requires a monitor (which will cost about as much as a TV) oh and legally if you watch TV on your PC you also require a license.

Well what about the freaking TV set? How much does that cost? Oh, everyone owns a TV, right? Well I don't, cause I don't care for stupid TV and commercials, thanks. Quite the opposite actually - most people own an old or small crappy TV, but everyone owns a freakin' computer
That argument is flawed beyond belief, not everyone owns a TV but everyone owns a monitor.... what? You start by saying people make an all sweeping statement that is incorrect, in your opinion, and then follow it up by making, shock horror, an all sweeping statement.

Finally the original OPs post,

- The PSU is barely powerful enough to run the GPU
- A tri core will fail horribly when it comes to playing quite a few of the quad core supporting games
- 250Gig, it's taken me less than three months to fill 250Gig of my 2 terabyte raid array. 250Gig is a laughable amount
- You forgot the OS which will be another £60, the case another £20 no optical drive £5

The great PC cost debate is one that is subject to everyone's own personal opinion. Just look at this thread and it's responses no one can agree what is and what is not required to calculate the cost of a PC, some say include the monitor, some say don't, some say include the OS, some say don't, include cheap peripherals, don't include them... the only thing that is consistent is that people will start with their own personnel agenda, their own persnnel sub argument they are trying to make and then tailor the required hardware to best suit that argument. The cost and what is actually needed to create a decent gaming PC usually rapidly falls by the way side in the effrots to prove that, for example, a gaming PC can be cheaper than a console or that a gaming pc doesn't have to be as expensive as everyone says it is...
 

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No_Remainders said:
452.94 U.S. dollars = 342.850655 Euros

If you can find me a PC that costs that much (even pre-shipping) over here that'll ship to Ireland. I'll convert to worshipping you as my new god.


That's a $484 gaming PC right there. Bear in mind this is just me going through Newegg and choosing the first option available. If you actually do the research and look through your options you could reduce that price. It's not a cutting edge machine, but it'll play modern games. Hell, it's got a 450; you even get DX11.

Axeli said:
In my experience it's always much more than what the fanatic PC gamers claim.
In my experience, I find that most people aren't willing to put in the simple effort of a little research and would rather write PC Gaming off as too complicated or expensive.


Laughing Man said:
Run down

Consoles ARE cheaper than PCs, you can't compare the price of a console at launch and the price of PC components five year down the line and say hey this PC is cheaper than your brand new console. Either compare the price of the console now vs the price of the PC now in which in case ithe console is still cheaper or compare the price of the console at launch vs the price of the equivalent PC at that time, chances are the PC would have had a hard time keeping up.
True, if you were to buy all the components to a PC all at once it would cost more than a console, but the entire point is that PC's save money in the long run.

Rather than having to spend $400-$600 depending the the console every 4 or so years, a PC can last for years and years without having to spend extra money; and if someone really did need to upgrade, then a new GPU would cost far less than a new console.

Not to mention that hardware for the PC is continually improving. The Xbox 360 launched in 2005. Back then, nVidia's cards were in the 7xx line. Today, the Xbox has the same hardware in it, but instead of buying a 7950, you can get a 480, or the upcoming 580.
 

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thenumberthirteen said:
Joshimodo said:
It doesn't cost an arm and a leg to build a very high-end rig. Sure, you could go crazy and throw in dual Xeons, RAID 0 SSDs, 24GB RAM and quad-SLi, but that's pointless. I paid £1100~, and I have:

i7 950 (OC'd)
8GB DDR3 2000MHz RAM (OC'd)
P6X58D-E mobo
XFX HD 5870 (OC'd)
1TB 7200RPM WD HDD
120GB OCZ SSD
Corsair 650W PSU
BD-RW drive
Coolermaster Hyper 212+ cooler
Antec 600 case
3 clear case fans with blue LEDs.


That'll last me for a good few years, and it's a good solid rig to upgrade if necessary.
That's a nice set-up there, and a good price too. The thing is (even I've noticed it) that some people think that PCs come in two types "Regular" for office use that can handle e-mail and word processing that cost £300-£500, and "Gaming" that cost £1000+ that you can play games on. So buying a PS3 is less than half the price of a PC and you can play the same games. That's just not true. Your PC is at the high end, and you don't need a big SSD, Blu Ray drive, 8Gb RAM, fancy lights, overclocked Processor, or top line GPU to play current generation games.

Unless you really want to play Crysis on ultimate settings. Though I maintain that Crysis' requirements are so high due in part to an inefficient engine.
It's true, I could've saved at least £500 on my build, if not £700. I wanted to splash out, plus it's not just a gaming rig - I do a lot of large-scale design and editing, from A0+ Photoshop images in the 1GB filesize range, video editing and multitasking multiple Adobe suites, so I have major benefits from the CPU, RAM, SSD and GPU. I don't need half of that to run pretty much any game on max settings.


A few years back, I brought parts and built a great gaming PC for £380~, lasted me until a few months back (and could've lasted longer still). Still outdid my 360 and PS3.
 

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I'm sorry Mr OP, but you are more wrong than you can possibly imagine. A good gaming PC here down in Aus costs in excess of $2000. Mine cost about $3500. So before you start generalising, remember that there are countries other than your own.