PEGI Says We Dare Isn't So Hot

[Trogdor1138]

Ubisoft, you're not helping the video game industry look like you're appealing to a mature audience. You're making us look like children and sex criminals. I can understand you want to appeal to an older audience and make sort of a for-adults sexy board game, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, and a game such as We Dare isn't going to help that.

Extra Credits watcher, i'll bet a fiver on it. I'm going to go ahead and steal your writing style to make my point.

The Great JT, you're not helping the gaming community look like we're a mature audience. You're actually making us seem like we're not mature enough to handle something like this. I can understand you care about the industry and want to improve our image, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, which is that we're not mature enough to handle mature game, and saying that we dare isn't good enough for the gaming community isn't going to help that.

*claps*

That was great

I've always thought the best way to improve the image of gaming is funnily enough not try and improve it. It just makes us look pretentious and desperate for the entire world to accept our hobby. I'm still on the fence about EC, I've liked some of their episodes but I felt others have had very flawed arguments and take themselves way too seriously. Gaming is a passion, but we just need to relax about it.

 

[elvor0]

Ubisoft, you're not helping the video game industry look like you're appealing to a mature audience. You're making us look like children and sex criminals. I can understand you want to appeal to an older audience and make sort of a for-adults sexy board game, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, and a game such as We Dare isn't going to help that.

Extra Credits watcher, i'll bet a fiver on it. I'm going to go ahead and steal your writing style to make my point.

The Great JT, you're not helping the gaming community look like we're a mature audience. You're actually making us seem like we're not mature enough to handle something like this. I can understand you care about the industry and want to improve our image, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, which is that we're not mature enough to handle mature game, and saying that we dare isn't good enough for the gaming community isn't going to help that.

In defence of the great JT, I think his problem might lie with the way ubisoft have marketed it as opposed to the game itself, it just looks bad, the same way the dead space 2 "your mom will hate it" advert, and because all of the Fox news-eseque supporters believe that video games are ONLY for children, and that this game is on the Wii, then they must be peddeling it to kids. If they'd just released the game and said "Yeah this is like a spin the bottle for adults on the Wii" as opposed to making a precursor to an orgy, this may have gone down better, as it looks like they're trying to be shocking for the sake of it.

I'm a fan of video games being an accepted medium, and I have no problem with this game, it's existed before in other mediums, abet it seems a bit superflous when you could just play spin the bottle, and no one ever tried to market that as an orgy inducing game. It's like they're marketing it to adults and teens at the same time, as Adults are not going to play this, as the sorts of people (ie swingers) are already going to be doing this and don't need a wii to make it happen, so the only sort of people this is going to appeal to are people not old enough to appreciate sex maturely. Now being like that at 13+ isnt a bad thing, we all went through it, but the trailer just seems to work more towards teens than adults.

Ubisoft, you're not helping the video game industry look like you're appealing to a mature audience. You're making us look like children and sex criminals. I can understand you want to appeal to an older audience and make sort of a for-adults sexy board game, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, and a game such as We Dare isn't going to help that.

Extra Credits watcher, i'll bet a fiver on it. I'm going to go ahead and steal your writing style to make my point.

The Great JT, you're not helping the gaming community look like we're a mature audience. You're actually making us seem like we're not mature enough to handle something like this. I can understand you care about the industry and want to improve our image, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, which is that we're not mature enough to handle mature game, and saying that we dare isn't good enough for the gaming community isn't going to help that.

*claps*

That was great

I've always thought the best way to improve the image of gaming is funnily enough not try and improve it. It just makes us look pretentious and desperate for the entire world to accept our hobby. I'm still on the fence about EC, I've liked some of their episodes but I felt others have had very flawed arguments and take themselves way too seriously. Gaming is a passion, but we just need to relax about it.

I think it's just because they don't have enough time to really explain everything, alot of their episodes could be decent mini essays, but they've only got 8 minutes to get through it, so they have to leave out a lot of stuff, if you check out some of the written stuff (ala Extra punctuation), you can see their point a bit more. Their intentions are good, and obviously the genuinely want to see the medium evolve, it's no worse than anyone else who believes that, it's just got a physical voice, and a lot of their points are very good.

It's just like myself they get annoyed at the fact that we live in the 21st century where we've demonized DnD, music, (dating back to the Blues for fuck sake), movies, books and any other medium that comes across, and by now I expect the world to think "oh yes last time we demonized something it was pretty fucking stupid" and just leave video games alone to develop on their own.

 

[Dogstile]

Ubisoft, you're not helping the video game industry look like you're appealing to a mature audience. You're making us look like children and sex criminals. I can understand you want to appeal to an older audience and make sort of a for-adults sexy board game, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, and a game such as We Dare isn't going to help that.

Extra Credits watcher, i'll bet a fiver on it. I'm going to go ahead and steal your writing style to make my point.

The Great JT, you're not helping the gaming community look like we're a mature audience. You're actually making us seem like we're not mature enough to handle something like this. I can understand you care about the industry and want to improve our image, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, which is that we're not mature enough to handle mature game, and saying that we dare isn't good enough for the gaming community isn't going to help that.

In defence of the great JT, I think his problem might lie with the way ubisoft have marketed it as opposed to the game itself, it just looks bad, the same way the dead space 2 "your mom will hate it" advert, and because all of the Fox news-eseque supporters believe that video games are ONLY for children, and that this game is on the Wii, then they must be peddeling it to kids. If they'd just released the game and said "Yeah this is like a spin the bottle for adults on the Wii" as opposed to making a precursor to an orgy, this may have gone down better, as it looks like they're trying to be shocking for the sake of it.

Right, I snipped it down to the important bit.

To be fair, I kinda got what he was getting at, but I wanted to turn it around on him because that comment on making us look like sex criminals annoyed me a fair bit, because there's nothing wrong with the advert other than the fact it is extremely cringe worthy. Marketing wise I agree, silly move, but they did that with adults. If a kid gets brought this, and a kid understands what it all means, then thats the parents fault really.

When we get onto the topic of teens enjoying it, it changes a little bit, but i'm assuming teens are just going to "spin the bottle" if they want to.

 

[elvor0]

Ubisoft, you're not helping the video game industry look like you're appealing to a mature audience. You're making us look like children and sex criminals. I can understand you want to appeal to an older audience and make sort of a for-adults sexy board game, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, and a game such as We Dare isn't going to help that.

Extra Credits watcher, i'll bet a fiver on it. I'm going to go ahead and steal your writing style to make my point.

The Great JT, you're not helping the gaming community look like we're a mature audience. You're actually making us seem like we're not mature enough to handle something like this. I can understand you care about the industry and want to improve our image, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, which is that we're not mature enough to handle mature game, and saying that we dare isn't good enough for the gaming community isn't going to help that.

In defence of the great JT, I think his problem might lie with the way ubisoft have marketed it as opposed to the game itself, it just looks bad, the same way the dead space 2 "your mom will hate it" advert, and because all of the Fox news-eseque supporters believe that video games are ONLY for children, and that this game is on the Wii, then they must be peddeling it to kids. If they'd just released the game and said "Yeah this is like a spin the bottle for adults on the Wii" as opposed to making a precursor to an orgy, this may have gone down better, as it looks like they're trying to be shocking for the sake of it.

Right, I snipped it down to the important bit.

To be fair, I kinda got what he was getting at, but I wanted to turn it around on him because that comment on making us look like sex criminals annoyed me a fair bit, because there's nothing wrong with the advert other than the fact it is extremely cringe worthy. Marketing wise I agree, silly move, but they did that with adults. If a kid gets brought this, and a kid understands what it all means, then thats the parents fault really.

When we get onto the topic of teens enjoying it, it changes a little bit, but i'm assuming teens are just going to "spin the bottle" if they want to.

mm, I did sorta ramble a bit there ><, yeah the sex criminals bit was a bit stupid, and the sort of hyperbole Fox news would use, but yeah, silly marketing paints a bad image, is the lesson to be learned from this. I mean personally I don't care whether teens are playing it, the same way I don't care if they're watching porn, I suppose it could end up a bit creepy, but we seem to have established it's not actually that sexy at all, it's just it ends up with the anti-video game crowd screaming.

Although saying that, we could just tell them to grow up and stop being so insecure, which is probably better, every industry has it's faux pars and shovel ware, we shouldn't have to be scared that the entire industry is going to be represented by this one trailer, which is what is going to happen, so we should just shrug it off as incoherent ramblings, we don't need to justify ourselves to people like them.

 

[Catchy Slogan]

Nonetheless, The Sun [http://www.ubi.com] reported that one version of the infamous YouTube trailer ends with the couples swapping partners and going off to have sex, while another has all four of them "romping together."
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Good old The Sun, stirring up a ridiculous amount of controversy over lies just for a laugh. The sad thing is there will be the, how shall we say, "slower" members of the public who actually believe that this game encourages sex parties and swinging parties. If only.

The Sun always makes me laugh, what with the page 3 girls, any news to do with breasts or sex gets the best coverage, and then they go on about 'disgusting perverts and peados in the same breath. But then it makes me sad that people actually think that whats written in the sun is actaul 'news' istead of over the top rubbish and fear mongering.

Sorry. I dislike The Sun.

 

[Littaly]

I'd like to imagine that Ubisoft is furious over the whole situation. "NO! Goddammit no! You're ruining it! If we get a 12+ rating nobody will believe it's dirty! We demand to be rated 18+ now!"

 

[DTWolfwood]

If the Europeans are this excited over a seemingly raunchy commercial, bringing it to the states would instantly get all the right wing nut jobs in an uproar. No one here uses facts to support their arguments anyway

Good choice keeping this game off NA shores XD

still this game is comically bad if you just watch the gameplay footage.

 

[Harmondale2]

Why does the sun get away with bold faced lies all the time?

 

[monojono]

Too bad tabloid fear mongering gets in the way of what would otherwise be a very interesting discussion. Technically the only thing that the game shows is tame cartoon characters, but should the context of what the game is suggesting you do or how it is advertised affect its rating? And if it should, what age range is suggesting sexual activities appropriate for? In the UK the age of consent is 16, but its illegal for people under the age of 18 to buy pornography (which kind of emphasises that we really don't have a clue how to rate this kind of stuff).
Also, I notice none of the tabloids seem to care about the spin the bottle toy on amazon which encourages kissing, has no age rating and which the manufacturers recommend for 9 year olds! GASP

 

[Gigano]

Ubisoft, you're not helping the video game industry look like you're appealing to a mature audience. You're making us look like children and sex criminals. I can understand you want to appeal to an older audience and make sort of a for-adults sexy board game, I get that. But in case you haven't noticed, video games have kind of an image problem right now, and a game such as We Dare isn't going to help that.

And the appropriate response to ignorance and prejudice is to adapt to please it? To limit options on substance in favour of a populist goal of retaining "image" with the on this subject ignorant masses?

Sounds a bit like American politics to me. Lets not go down that road.

I also think that viewing sex as something negative is a much bigger deal in the US than Europe - where the organizations complaining holds little sway or influence - and the game isn't released in the US, so the puritanism there remain quite unchallenged by it.

OT: Who the hell am going to buy something rated 12+ on the Wii to spice up their sex life? Even if it didn't already look like crappy shovelware?

 

[Woodsey]

What happens in those trailers has NOTHING to do with game content
... and EVERYTHING to do with selling the game.
As for not coming out in America, can't really say I care either way.

Hooray! Someone else gets it!

Still, I wish Ubisoft would get a clue about how this is just drawing attention to a title that barely anyone will buy, and will stir up some stupid controversy. I thought they said they were going to stop making this sort of shitty shovelware anyway.

 

[gigastrike]

Ummm, this is Europe we're talking about. You know, the place that can't understand why America gets worked up over a boob?

 

[lapan]

I find it hilarious that they gave the game a complete renaming in german, despite the fact that we also play Truth or Dare (Wahrheit oder Pflicht)

 

[Andy Chalk]

The trouble with applying "context" to rating decisions is that it makes everything subjective, which utterly nullifies their value. Ratings must be purely factual; decisions beyond that are entirely the purview of parents. The optics might be a bit bad on this one, but PEGI is absolutely right to stand its ground.

 

[darthotaku]

This is really too bad. the wii does have potential for a decent "adult" game but as has been mentioned before this is looking like a $50 game of "Nervous", "spin the bottle", and "truth or dare".

I was over these games when I was 11.

 

[Snooder]

Man, I love the fact that what they're basically doing is selling a $50 bottle with red lipstick on it and calling it "Ultra Mature Spin The Bottle For Adults(tm)". One smooth marketing campaign later and they might actually turn this into a thing, somehow.

One can't help but admire the balls on the marketing exec who came up with this one.