people and "Rebellion"

[Vault101]

you know what I don't get?...some peoples absolute fixation on the Idea that any or all Authority figure or part of the "systm" is there for the sole purpose of "keeping them down" or making their lives miserable

the obsession with "rebellion"

or part of the the whole "oh I hate humanity/the government/my country" really the kind of people who "joke" about wishing for the apocolypse because [strike/]their stupid twats[/S] because they have some bizare Idea that theres somthign inherintly wrong with how things are now and atruggling for your survival int he most terrifying situation ever would be somhow better

like challenging your freinds to a one on one death match in the arena!

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the fact is thanks to all the "evils" of modern life we can actually have things likevideo games and online spaces (like forums) to complain about them! rather than scrawling messaged on safe house walls in blood

ok yes, on the other hand I'm not saying governemtn systms or modern life is god and you should not question anything.....I genally think people can be too apathetic (including me)...especially when to comes to stuff like voting

its jsut when somone starts talking about anarchy or how they hate the "guv-mint" I can't help but think they are probably some teenage twat who doesnt understand what the fuck Anarchy actually is

also because peep show is awsome

 

[Vault101]

Have you never considered some people have an issue with these systems and thus reject the leading to... ...

... rebellion?

I guess it depends on context...I mean yeah if your systm is legitimatly bad and your willing to pick up a gun or seriosuly rebel through other means..then fine (exepct that never seems to end well)

I think people should be free to do as they wish

I guess what I'm talking about is hypocritical stuff....like calling the police "pigs" but then go running to them when somthing goes wrong

 

[Fiz_The_Toaster]

Think about the teens, what are they gonna complain about when something they like gets questioned? YOU MONSTER! D:

I'd like to think that some people just need to blame someone and the catch-all is "the man" because why not, right? Sometimes and in some circumstances "the man" is to blame legitimately, most other times? Not so much.

Also, that clip is awesome!

 

[Imthatguy]

Have you never considered some people have an issue with these systems and thus reject the leading to... ...

... rebellion?

I guess it depends on context...I mean yeah if your systm is legitimatly bad and your willing to pick up a gun or seriosuly rebel through other means..then fine (exepct that never seems to end well)

I think people should be free to do as they wish

I guess what I'm talking about is hypocritical stuff....like calling the police "pigs" but then go running to them when somthing goes wrong

What about when the 'system'(your words not mine) isn't violently oppressing you? Should you violently resist it? You don't fight social battles with bullets.

Perhaps said people agree that police are a necessary evil but still wish they would harass the innocent less?

 

[Vault101]

What about when the 'system'(your words not mine) isn't violently oppressing you? Should you violently resist it? You don't fight social battles with bullets.

no..that doesnt end well...I was think of all those crazy revolutiosn that happned in the past...

but generally I'm talking about people who have all the comforst of the 1st world and like to act like victms

[quote/]Perhaps said people agree that police are a necessary evil but still wish they would harass the innocent less?[/quote]

you say that like its "what police do" that would depend mainly on context and your country (like if your government is corrupt right up the ass)

theres no denying theres probably bias and it does happen

 

[Dansen]

Systems do exist for a reason, but we should still question them and reevaluate them.
People like to talk about rebellion because more often then not there is something wrong going on and they feel powerless to stop it. This is the feeling that usually leads to rebellion anyways if a person is pushed around enough. If you have nothing to lose you might as well start a rebellion, can't get any worse right?

Either that or they are morons who like to blame their problems on whatever vague image they have of the man because its easier than thinking things through.

 

[Imthatguy]

What about when the 'system'(your words not mine) isn't violently oppressing you? Should you violently resist it? You don't fight social battles with bullets.

no..that doesnt end well...I was think of all those crazy revolutiosn that happned in the past...

but generally I'm talking about people who have all the comforst of the 1st world and like to act like victms

[quote/]Perhaps said people agree that police are a necessary evil but still wish they would harass the innocent less?

you say that like its "what police do" that would depend mainly on context and your country (like if your government is corrupt right up the ass)

theres no denying theres probably bias and it does happen[/quote]

Individuals can still be victimized even if it isn't something as harsh as say a concentration camp or being starved. For example when you work for someone they'll typically make large amounts of money off your labor when you only get a very small part of it in your check.

Yes but I believe you where using it in the same context as I.

 

[Vault101]

Individuals can still be victimized even if it isn't something as harsh as say a concentration camp or being starved. For example when you work for someone they'll typically make large amounts of money off your labor when you only get a very small part of it in your check.

Yes but I believe you where using it in the same context as I.

well depending on context why would I be entitled to any of that money?

if I work in an office am I enetitled to the same paycheck as the CEO? I don;t think so

only if my working conditions and pay are not up to standard

 

[Imthatguy]

Individuals can still be victimized even if it isn't something as harsh as say a concentration camp or being starved. For example when you work for someone they'll typically make large amounts of money off your labor when you only get a very small part of it in your check.

Yes but I believe you where using it in the same context as I.

well depending on context why would I be entitled to any of that money?

if I work in an office am I enetitled to the same paycheck as the CEO? I don;t think so

only if my working conditions and pay are not up to standard

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? I believe so and if someone actually preforms a useful duty i.e. providing starting capital, organizing a business as most CEO/owners do they are most certainly entitled to some sort of profit but should one man make thousands and do comparatively little while one makes barely enough to feed and clothe themselves (Not to mention housing and the rest of the huge costs of living) while putting in the actual work that goes into the owner's pocket?

 

[Kae]

Well yeah, anarchists are rather silly and wanting the whole system to collapse is rather stupid, but when change is needed people tend to go to extremes instead of finding a middle ground, though then again I live in México, where not hating the blatantly corrupt government who practically wave their dirty money at you're face should be illegal, seriously we very badly need to replace every single politician, not to mention that when my car burned with all my stuff the police were busy saying that I had to pay for damage to the road, even though it was a toll road and that is covered in the insurance, and then they threatened to put me in jail unless I paid they're stupid bribe, you know because I wasn't busy with the fact that just a couple minutes ago I thought my brothers had died, and then when the firemen came after stopping the fire, they started to look for stuff that wasn't charred so they could steal it, right there in front of my face, I'm fairly sure I have every single reason to hate the government and think that the police are pigs, because they are.

 

[Aris Khandr]

Not everyone who wishes for the apocalypse expects to be a survivor. Just saying.

 

[Luftwaffles]

Because the man is flooding orphanages with smack, killed jimmy and is putting out a drug that shrinks black mens dicks

At long last, a friendship bonded by the fight against the man has been brought to an end by kung fu treachery

 

[Guffe]

Nothing is perfect, not everyone can like the current system and therefor there will always be people who complain.
This is my own view but:
The only way to strive for perfection is to think that you can always do better. This means nothing is ever perfect and can always be made better. It might be a bit of a negative way to look at things to someone but for me it works, keep improving everything until everyone is happy, then we have a perfect, for example, political system.
That's never going to happen but we can strive for it.

 

[Hoplon]

Have you never considered some people have an issue with these systems and thus reject the leading to... ...

... rebellion?

I guess what I'm talking about is hypocritical stuff....like calling the police "pigs" but then go running to them when somthing goes wrong

I've seen this said many times but I've seen no proof beyond baseless conjecture.

Do you have any proof?

Proof? but that would stop it being pure opinion! Madness!

 

[chadachada123]

I'd like a zombie apocalypse, because I think that the majority of humans are assholes, and it would be far less stressful to me if I lost almost all of my competition.

Aside from this wishful thinking, I'm also a strong libertarian that disagrees with much of what the US government does. I personally feel that it HAS been far too long since this country has had a violent revolt, but also that a violent revolt wouldn't work very well because of how far gone this country is. Our police forces ARE corrupt and have far too much power and no love for our people (similar to the Egyptian police force, only a couple of levels lower in terms of violence against innocent dissenters). Our citizens are shallow and weak-willed and consistently vote in war-mongers (see: the upcoming election) that want nothing more than to erode more of our freedom and more of our ability to dissent.

I don't want anarchy (though, I'd love if 90% of our population disappeared, that is a separate issue). What I want is for people to question everything. Otherwise, you become content with corruption, and content with our public representatives being in bed with obscenely wealthy businessmen.

Like what is happening right now.

 

[Grathius22]

I quite like the system that's in place, but I fully support a rebellion because the things I don't like aren't going to change otherwise. Not only that, but we're set up in a system where people thrive on the worst trait of Humanity: Greed.

In fact, I've actually considered taking drastic measure to ensure that such a change is made. Of course, it likely wouldn't happen in my lifetime but it is nice to know that someone at some point in time would have a slightly better life. Of course, it's really pointless unless a larger movement takes place. Like, an actual group.

 

[In Search of Username]

We need to rebel more. We need to question every kind of authority, because if we don't it becomes too powerful. But, I agree, not all rebellion is good - people who go around shouting about anarchy and acting like all authorities are inherently unnecessary and oppressive, are just living in a fantasy world. We obviously NEED some kind of system. But my point is, we also need to always be criticising whatever system we have so as to improve it, because it will never be perfect, there is no perfect system.

So yeah, people who want to completely wipe out our current 'system' are probably idiots or just don't give a shit, but don't act like all forms of rebellion are just childish nonsense, because we need rebellion far more than we need apathy.

Oh, and I should add, by rebellion I don't mean actual violence. That very rarely ends well, and usually establishes something as bad as/worse than what it was a rebellion against. But you can be very vocal about wanting to change society without ever hurting anyone.