People are being WAY too critical of The Elder Scrolls Online!

[VoidWanderer]

This video is giving a LOT of negative feelings this games way...and honestly guys I gotta say it's undeserved.

Give the guys a freaking break this is like one of the first Beta's they've had, they still have MONTHS of development to go through to fix up details on animations. AND what is with this crap being thrown against the bad graphics? OF COURSE IT IS! it's early beta guys...what mmo has it's Graphics cranked to eleven during it's early beta's?

~Mudcrab taking way too long to kill? Beta
~Animations aren't good enough? Beta
~Graphics are bad? Beta
~Where is all the cool stuff they promised? grr we got lied too! Uhh...no it's beta its just the first 20 minutes of the beta of a MMO...what MMO has a super cool/exciting first 20 minutes?
~Looks like a WoW clone? uhh...how so? I mean I can tell they come from the same genre but it seems to look like it's more related to Guild Wars 2 with a bit of DDO thrown in for good measure (not that stealing/borrowing/whatever is any better when taken from those games)

And another thing that seems to be repeated some more...this game is ONLY being published and directed by Bethesda...they are not making it. That means that this MMO is NOT going to destroy TES if it fails or in ANY way impede on the next one coming out. (or Skyrim expansion)

Come on guys...at least let the game come out before tearing it a new hole...if it's bad i'll be right there with you guys tearing it apart and gnawing on the poor beast's carcass. But give them some credit and at least be SLIGHTLY optimistic for the game or at least wish them the best of luck...wouldn't you rather this game be GOOD or at least decent?

Give it a chance is all I ask.

Do I want it to be good or decent?

Given the buggy state most of the games that they normally release and they are going for an MMO!?!

It is like getting the Three Stooges to build a house, it is a good show to watch, and you wouldn't want to live in it. But know they have a whole contractors firm of the Stooges, and you are surprised people are critical of it?

Personally I am getting sick and tired of the MMORPGs. I am sick of publishers trying to get into this market to get a hold of the players that have stuck with WoW for a decade. I am looking forward to Wildstar, because it is an original IP for an MMO.

If Bethesda do a co-op ES game that isn't buggy, then I'll give a shit about their MMO.

 

[ViciousTide]

Unless TES Online > the Skyrim mods for multiplayer online. I will play my $0/month skyrim game.

 

[Robetid]

Who cares about the game play mechanics, as long as it isn't broken, dont try to fix it. I stopped playing TOR because it was boring as shit, not beacuse it played just like WoW. They've done a lot of what fans were asking for: multiplayer (albiet not the way SOME of the fans wanted), being able to explore almost the entire continent of Tamriel (leaving some parts blocked off for expansions), allowing the players a chance to become The Emperor. Yea some dipshit hopping around for 20 minutes didn't make the game look like a gift from God, but what did you expect? I for one am going to give it a shot, play through the story, dick around in the guilds, waste some fools in PVP and explore my ass of. I wager a lot of the people bashing the game will too.

 

[Dr.Awkward]

I think the worst problem affecting MMO development is that when a developer or publisher wants to make a MMO, they want to get the guy who worked on WoW. What do you think they're going to tell you? They're not going to tell you how a MMO works, they're going to tell you how WoW works. As a result, you'll end up with a background system similar to WoW, inherits some game mechanics from WoW, and thus people will compare it to WoW.

The solution: Don't hire the ex-WoW guy, because this genre is too new to find experienced people who helped develop it to what it is now. I'd rather hire the newbie who might actually bring fresh new ideas that are desperately needed in the MMO world, even if it's a serious risk (which it already is).

captcha: no-brainer

That's pretty much is the nature of what I suggested...

 

[Thyunda]

This just in:
Witcher 2, Guild Wars 2, Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Dark Souls 2 are all WoW clones.

Also Everquest.

Alternatively your definition of WoW clone is WAY off.

Demon's Souls/Dark Soul's isn't point and click. Dark Souls 2 isn't even out yet. Witcher 2 doesn't have multiplayer. Guild Wars 2 IS a WoW clone. Everquest came out first, you could make the argument that WoW is a Everquest clone if you really wanted. I figured it went without saying that I was talking about MMO's but I guess not.

The issue I have with you is that you're saying games are a WoW clone based ENTIRELY off of the control scheme.

That is beyond silly, you might as well call every FPS a CoD clone or every hack n slash a GoW clone.

A WoW clone in actual fact is a game that basically carbon-copies WoW with a graphical upgrade, different story/setting, and some different content.

I'd say ESO takes more notes from GW2 than WoW and even then they have their own spin on stuff like the combat system and PvP.

...I thought he was being ironic when he said all third person point and click fantasy adventures are WoW clones. Y'know, like, the term is essentially meaningless for that reason.

 

[Don't taze me bro]

Is it in beta yet, or is it still alpha? I haven't really been following it. Yes, I watched a video of the gameplay leak, and yes, there are some obvious concerns, but the game is still a long way off.

It's like all the hoopla surrounding the next Xbox. People are gnashing their teeth and foaming at the mouth, and all we have so far are rumors. I'm not getting excited, or conversely, disappointed until I get to see it / experience it myself and make a more informed opinion then. I've signed up for beta, fingers crossed I do get to see it before a late stage open beta.

 

[machblast]

Is it in beta yet, or is it still alpha? I haven't really been following it. Yes, I watched a video of the gameplay leak, and yes, there are some obvious concerns, but the game is still a long way off.open beta.

I'm in the apathy camp, myself. I haven't really followed it much either. I'm not particularly angry about it, I've just got a non-committal "oh, another failed MMO for the money pit" attitude and ignore the furor.

 

[DalekJaas]

If work doesn't get in the way I'll be picking it up just because it is Elder Scrolls. I have never played an MMO and I don't think I'll have much time in my week to get into so it will be a slow experience. But I love Tamriel and I really want to see more of it and get a glimpse of the 2nd age. I don't care how bad the animations are and the graphics look fine to me. I don't know where all of these high standards are coming from. I guess the last game I bought was Far Cry 3 and then Skyrim before that so I don't have that much to base my graphics opinions on.

I have seen WoW played, that games looks awful, the video looked WAY better than WoW graphics wise so I don't know how people are comparing it.

 

[Rob Robson]

Come on guys...at least let the game come out before tearing it a new hole...

Hell no. Buying these games is counter-productive to changing the industry away from cash-grab MMOs. For those of us who have been in hundreds of betas and alphas sometimes as soon as 9-12 months before a game goes live, judgment is easily possible on what we've been shown.

Repeat after me:
THIS GAME WILL NOT GET A LOT BETTER THAN IT IS NOW!

Chant it three times per day and let the truth flow through you.

Because the only things that will get worked on from here on out in that game is content and voices, and probably a little bit of UI. And once they're in the final stages with optimization, some additional rendering techniques will be turned on.

But DON'T fool yourself into thinking that "it's beta" is any excuse for 99% of games. TESO will be Rift 2, and no matter how defensive it's defenders will get it won't be an actual Elder Scrolls game.

Odds are, ESO is gonna flop.

Sadly, I think it will sell like hotcakes on day 1 on just pre-orders (GET ALL THE PETS!) and then a week later everyone who bought it will be enraged and call it a "damned failure", but of course they will be wrong, it was a huge success, because they and every other 12-20 year old in the land of Terra bought this game because the hype machine went to over 9000.

 

[The Unworthy Gentleman]

~Animations aren't good enough? Beta
~Graphics are bad? Beta)

You should at least have your animations and textures ready for a beta. Beta is about bug fixing, not preliminary creations being presented and shown off, this is literally the stage before full release, you need to have it near to finishing.

Also the MMO butchered the lore for the sake of convenience and that I cannot forgive.

 

[Zac Jovanovic]

I don't really care for TES anymore and I don't have high expectations for the MMO.
The video was pretty much what I expected at this stage of the game, the gameplay might have looked a bit more dull than I thought it would.

Graphics in the clip being what they are, I still have no doubt TES online will be yet another MMO to shoot itself in the leg with graphics too fancy for its own good.

The term "WoW clone" is being thrown around so much I have no idea what it's supposed to mean anymore. It seems even the games released before WoW that had the exact same gameplay mechanics are "WoW clones".

While sticky targeting is not a deal breaker for me, I still have high hopes for the free aim system Tera implemented and more recently Neverwinter. However, in both of these games it failed quite hard in my opinion, taking more away from the gameplay than it added.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

I guess when they release this, many fans are annoyed cos we want another TES single player game. TES has always been single player. I think once we see more about the game then people will change their opinion. But we have had more than enough proof that MMO's fail. If its free to play then i will give it a go, i love the lore and the design of the world but i think it will play badly compared to a game aimed at single player only. I played WoW and Guild Wars and both had me bored after a few weeks. To much grinding over gameplay where as single player games have less grinding. But i guess thats what keep people playing MMO's, they have to make it really difficult to level up to pad out the game time.

I guess we will have to wait for proper information before we judge it to harshly. But as a TES fan, i prefer the single player offline games.

 

[Hagi]

This the Escapist. ESO is an MMORPG.

Do the math, it'll be hated by most everyone here.

 

[Imper1um]

I blame Yahtzee. Most people on the Escapist emulate him, and not in the funny, haha away, but the funny, shortsighted way. Unfortunately, there's just not enough information for us to make an accurate assessment based on a 20-minute video that barely got us anything on the game.

On the other hand, being overly critical about a game means that developers can find out what's wrong with a game before its launched, resulting in a better game. After all, the time before launch is made for being the most critical to cause the most fixes to occur.

 

[bartholen_v1legacy]

If work doesn't get in the way I'll be picking it up just because it is Elder Scrolls. I have never played an MMO and I don't think I'll have much time in my week to get into so it will be a slow experience. But I love Tamriel and I really want to see more of it and get a glimpse of the 2nd age. I don't care how bad the animations are and the graphics look fine to me. I don't know where all of these high standards are coming from. I guess the last game I bought was Far Cry 3 and then Skyrim before that so I don't have that much to base my graphics opinions on.

I have seen WoW played, that games looks awful, the video looked WAY better than WoW graphics wise so I don't know how people are comparing it.

The thing is, WoW isn't the graphical benchmark for TES:Online or MMOs in general, because it still uses the same engine as when it was released 10 years ago. The closest thing people are going to compare this to is Skyrim.

I don't even play MMOs, and I still don't see the point of making an online Elder Scrolls game. IMO the concept kinda goes against the whole premise of the series: immersive questing and exploration in a world that feels real and alive.

And the thing is, Bethesda has set the bar so high with the Elder Scrolls series that even if this turns out okay, it'll still be like taking 8th or 9th place at the olympics. Also, while Star Wars: ToR remains in fresh memory, any MMO with a big name slapped on it is going to get a tidal wave of shit thrown at it for its every living moment from the second it's announced. If I had ever cared about The Old Republic at all, it might have been even cathartic to see a game such massive hype behind it turn out to be just "eh, it's pretty good I guess" and nearly forgotten within a year.

 

[Jandau]

Of course people are being critical of it - It's essentially a bullet in the head for the Elder Scrolls franchise. This is the last Elder Scrolls game we'll see for at least 5 years, maybe more. How many Warcraft games did Blizz put out after WoW? Yeah, that's right. Putting out "traditional" ES games would only serve as competition for what is intended as an ongoing source of revenue. While ES Online lives, there will be no other ES games. When it dies, it'll be at least several years before a new game is even started, much less finished.

So one of the most beloved and recognizable single player RPG series is being made into what appears to be a yet another WoW-clone which will likely put a stop to the series for the forseeable future. Damn right people are critical of the thing...

 

[spartandude]

The "it's just beta" excuse isn't valid since a few years now. And ESPECIALLY after the TOR fiasco and several, if not all of the big budget mmos thta came out.

Beta isn't a magic word that shields from criticism and makes everything okay once the game is released. You can see some core flaws in the design, without even looking at the recently leaked video.

The thing is i thought a beta was meant to be criticised.... so the dev team(s) could then know what needs to be worked on

 

[ShiningAmber]

Forget what people think. If you like it, you like it. You don't need there approval. It's cool and edgy to hate things now. I love the Elder Scrolls. I'll give it a go.