People are bitching too much about people bitching too much about the Xbone

[AnthrSolidSnake]

I've accepted the fact that people are still going to support the..."game" system, and in fact no one needs my acceptance. It's just something that's bound to happen. However, that doesn't mean those people can get huffy about others that have concerns about the Xbone and what it's attempting to do.

Every person defending the Xbox One always has reasons that boil down to "It's not THAT bad" or "I can deal with it, so why shouldn't everyone else?"

About the best reason I've seen is that the Xbox One has good exclusives, and I will agree with that. Some of the games I had a great interest in, but is that really something that's going to change my mind about being a smart consumer?

To put my feelings bluntly, I'm not going to buy an Xbone just for some interesting looking games when Microsoft is going to ***** slap me out of my ownership, dig through all my jean pockets for money, and then force a camera to sit in my living room that has an "off" mode consisting of still being on.

I DON'T CARE if there are people who still want to support the Xbox One, their numbers from what I can tell are vastly outnumbered by people who are getting a PS4 or sticking with PC gaming. But I don't see how they can say that everyone else's concerns about the Xbone are wrong. All in all, it's supposed to be a gaming system, and what it has accomplished in that regard is pathetic. I'm not content getting repeatedly ass-slammed by Microsoft like some sort of shallow whore while they wave around some pretty gems in my face to make me forget that I just gave up my pride and better judgement to get them.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Yo dawg, I heard you like threads...



I agree. Just because some people are willing to get anally perforated by anti-consumer products, doesn't mean the rest of us are.

The fact that people are fine with it actually astounds me.

 

[Tom_green_day]

People aren't annoyed that others aren't liking the XO, they're annoyed with people mindlessly attacking it for things it doesn't even have, and acting as though people who like it are inferior. You don't like it and people are fine with you having your opinion, as long as you let us have ours.
'You' isn't aimed at OP, it's aimed at anyone who's tired of people defending the XO.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

The fact that people are fine with it actually astounds me.

There are people who are fine with human trafficking, torture, and Nickelback. It hardly qualifies as "astounding" that a few are nonplussed by a crappy console.

Every person defending the Xbox One always has reasons that boil down to "It's not THAT bad" or "I can deal with it, so why shouldn't everyone else?"

People like to be contrary on internet forums. Also, the louder and more outspoken one set of opinions is, the higher the chance some polarized oppositional group will form. As usual for DRM themed topics, it hasn't been enough to say 'blech, who would want to buy that?" and quietly go on one's way. No, we need 50 threads per page with increasingly excitable rhetoric, as if a strongly worded post would guarantee one a spot on the DRM WAR DVD set that will be sold on the history channel 35 years from now.

History is littered with bad consoles. It happens. Frankly, none of the restrictions on the Xboner or whatever you guys are calling it are that horrendous, and would probably amount to minimal disruption for the vast majority of prospective buyers. Consoles are by their very nature restrictive platforms...locked in hardware, "exclusive" games that can only be played on specific boxes, etc, etc. You'd think you guys would be used to this stuff by now. I can see why someone would look at the feature list of the new Microsoft console and think "meh, why not", especially if they had a hard on for the new Halo game or whatever they've decided to use for psychological leverage to get you to buy their rapidly obsoleted, mildly lobotomized PC. It's kind of funny in this case because their primary competitor seems to have undercut them in a couple of key areas, so it seems like it'd be something of a no-brainer, but if you haven't caught on to the general theme of this reply yet there's been another competitor out there undercutting both for years and people still make purchasing decisions based on their emotional attachment to a specific platform.

Just sayin'.

 

[Vegosiux]

Yo dawg, I heard you like threads...

Oh for cryin' out loud, I want to come into a thread, want to say something, and 9 times out of ten, this dude has already secured /first on it.

No, really. This can't be a coincidence. You must have some super senses. Been bitten by a radioactive forum thread, or something?

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Yo dawg, I heard you like threads...

Oh for cryin' out loud, I want to come into a thread, want to say something, and 9 times out of ten, this dude has already secured /first on it.

No, really. This can't be a coincidence. You must have some super senses. Been bitten by a radioactive forum thread, or something?

As a babe, I was found amongst the interwebs.

It is said that, if I were to be plugged directly into the mainframe, I could cause a singularity.

 

[shrekfan246]

there's been another competitor out there undercutting both for years and people still make purchasing decisions based on their emotional attachment to a specific platform.

Just sayin'.

I dunno, I'd say there's a fundamental difference between Nintendo and the other two, in that the only time they've ever had a console that actually shared a host of multi-platform games with other platforms was the Gamecube, when multi-platform porting was really starting to pick up steam (I wouldn't really consider Genesis/SNES games to be multi-platform, since they were often completely different games that only shared a vague framework of genre, and old Atari/Commodore/Amstrad etc. I consider to be under the blanket 'platform' of PCs). Then the Wii came out, and I'd say 'undercutting the competition' would be a major understatement there. And, for better or worse depending on who you ask, they didn't have practically any of the third-party support that the PS3, Xbox, and PC had, so if you only had a Wii and wanted to play those other games, you were SoL.

I mean, I just don't know if I'd consider the Nintendo 64 or Gamecube to have been undercutting the competition. They were both technically better than the competition, but got soundly flattened anyway. And as a fellow member of this community loves pointing out so vehemently, the Wii may not have exactly engendered goodwill with the 'core' demographic, but it still completely whipped Sony and Microsoft in terms of pure numbers.

 

[sextus the crazy]

So soon we're going to have a thread about people bitching too much about bitching too much about bitching too much? Personally, I don't care about any of the consoles outside of the handhelds and maybe the Wii U (for SMT X Fire Emblem).

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I dunno, I'd say there's a fundamental difference between Nintendo and the other two, in that the only time they've ever had a console that actually shared a host of multi-platform games with other platforms was the Gamecube, when multi-platform porting was really starting to pick up steam (I wouldn't really consider Genesis/SNES games to be multi-platform, since they were often completely different games that only shared a vague framework of genre, and old Atari/Commodore/Amstrad etc. I consider to be under the blanket 'platform' of PCs). Then the Wii came out, and I'd say 'undercutting the competition' would be a major understatement there. And, for better or worse depending on who you ask, they didn't have practically any of the third-party support that the PS3, Xbox, and PC had, so if you only had a Wii and wanted to play those other games, you were SoL.

I mean, I just don't know if I'd consider the Nintendo 64 or Gamecube to have been undercutting the competition. They were both technically better than the competition, but got soundly flattened anyway. And as a fellow member of this community loves pointing out so vehemently, the Wii may not have exactly engendered goodwill with the 'core' demographic, but it still completely whipped Sony and Microsoft in terms of pure numbers.

Oh god, I'd forgotten about Nintendo.

No, I wasn't referring to Nintendo. They're arguably the most closed system of all. I was referring to PCs.

If you're a console gamer, and you ever had a rant about the sniffy "PC Master Race", and how they'd constantly demean your underpowered, restrictive little boxes, and wonder aloud how anyone could willing choose some rickety little platform over their superior one, and you said "Man, stop bullying me, jerks, I just like console X!". If that was you, you probably can appreciate how XBone fans are feeling right as they get smacked around for their inexplicable loyalty to a piece of hardware.

 

[LetalisK]

The fact that people are fine with it actually astounds me.

There are people who are fine with human trafficking, torture, and Nickelback. It hardly qualifies as "astounding" that a few are nonplussed by a crappy console.

It's hard to be a Nickelback fan sometimes. :'(

 

[shrekfan246]

I dunno, I'd say there's a fundamental difference between Nintendo and the other two, in that the only time they've ever had a console that actually shared a host of multi-platform games with other platforms was the Gamecube, when multi-platform porting was really starting to pick up steam (I wouldn't really consider Genesis/SNES games to be multi-platform, since they were often completely different games that only shared a vague framework of genre, and old Atari/Commodore/Amstrad etc. I consider to be under the blanket 'platform' of PCs). Then the Wii came out, and I'd say 'undercutting the competition' would be a major understatement there. And, for better or worse depending on who you ask, they didn't have practically any of the third-party support that the PS3, Xbox, and PC had, so if you only had a Wii and wanted to play those other games, you were SoL.

I mean, I just don't know if I'd consider the Nintendo 64 or Gamecube to have been undercutting the competition. They were both technically better than the competition, but got soundly flattened anyway. And as a fellow member of this community loves pointing out so vehemently, the Wii may not have exactly engendered goodwill with the 'core' demographic, but it still completely whipped Sony and Microsoft in terms of pure numbers.

Oh god, I'd forgotten about Nintendo.

No, I wasn't referring to Nintendo. They're arguably the most closed system of all. I was referring to PCs.

If you're a console gamer, and you ever had a rant about the sniffy "PC Master Race", and how they'd constantly demean your underpowered, restrictive little boxes, and wonder aloud how anyone could willing choose some rickety little platform over their superior one, and you said "Man, stop bullying me, jerks, I just like console X!". If that was you, you probably can appreciate how XBone fans are feeling right as they get smacked around for their inexplicable loyalty to a piece of hardware.

Ah, right.

I've never really understood the concept of console loyalty in the first place, myself. Probably due to the fact that I grew up with, in order, a Sega Genesis, then Nintendo 64, then Playstation, then Gamecube, then Playstation 2, and this current generation is the one where I could finally afford to actually have a decent PC, a Playstation 3, and an Xbox 360 (and I had a Wii for a while). Though I guess it also helped that I never experienced the same permeation of "Mario vs. Sonic" that apparently everyone else did while growing up in the 90's.

It's always just been a way for me to play the games I want.

Though, unless you're talking about the prices of games on places like GoG and Steam, I think it's pretty hard to say that PCs undercut Sony and Microsoft. Sure, you can get a PC well more powerful than their consoles for a competitive price, but you have to dig a fair bit depending on how much power you want. It's not nearly as quick and easy as going into a shop, pointing at something, and saying "I want that, here's a couple hundred bucks for it."

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Though, unless you're talking about the prices of games on places like GoG and Steam, I think it's pretty hard to say that PCs undercut Sony and Microsoft. Sure, you can get a PC well more powerful than their consoles for a competitive price, but you have to dig a fair bit depending on how much power you want. It's not nearly as quick and easy as going into a shop, pointing at something, and saying "I want that, here's a couple hundred bucks for it."

It's true that there's like, 20 minutes of mild education required to figure out a solid price/performance situation for your hypothetical PC (Passmark charts are usually good for video cards...it's hard to buy an aging motherboard or CPU, they tend to disappear off shelves quickly), and I'm totally sympathetic to anyone who just wants to buy whatever fits their comfort zone and be done with it, even if it's technically a weaker machine, or a more expensive machine, or more a limited machine, or whether someone is popping a vein about it on a forum. Hence, I am also sympathetic to someone who wants to buy one of these new...things...from Microsoft. I won't bully or cajole them, they can buy what they want. I think the entire concept of consoles and exclusives and strong arming people into buying obsolete hardware in order to play Game X is pretty shifty, so I'm mildly surprised to see one clan of console enthusiasts up in arms against another. But people like to feel like they've got a cause, I guess, even if their cause is dubious.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

I dunno, I'd say there's a fundamental difference between Nintendo and the other two, in that the only time they've ever had a console that actually shared a host of multi-platform games with other platforms was the Gamecube, when multi-platform porting was really starting to pick up steam (I wouldn't really consider Genesis/SNES games to be multi-platform, since they were often completely different games that only shared a vague framework of genre, and old Atari/Commodore/Amstrad etc. I consider to be under the blanket 'platform' of PCs). Then the Wii came out, and I'd say 'undercutting the competition' would be a major understatement there. And, for better or worse depending on who you ask, they didn't have practically any of the third-party support that the PS3, Xbox, and PC had, so if you only had a Wii and wanted to play those other games, you were SoL.

I mean, I just don't know if I'd consider the Nintendo 64 or Gamecube to have been undercutting the competition. They were both technically better than the competition, but got soundly flattened anyway. And as a fellow member of this community loves pointing out so vehemently, the Wii may not have exactly engendered goodwill with the 'core' demographic, but it still completely whipped Sony and Microsoft in terms of pure numbers.

Oh god, I'd forgotten about Nintendo.

No, I wasn't referring to Nintendo. They're arguably the most closed system of all. I was referring to PCs.

If you're a console gamer, and you ever had a rant about the sniffy "PC Master Race", and how they'd constantly demean your underpowered, restrictive little boxes, and wonder aloud how anyone could willing choose some rickety little platform over their superior one, and you said "Man, stop bullying me, jerks, I just like console X!". If that was you, you probably can appreciate how XBone fans are feeling right as they get smacked around for their inexplicable loyalty to a piece of hardware.

Ah, right.

I've never really understood the concept of console loyalty in the first place, myself. Probably due to the fact that I grew up with, in order, a Sega Genesis, then Nintendo 64, then Playstation, then Gamecube, then Playstation 2, and this current generation is the one where I could finally afford to actually have a decent PC, a Playstation 3, and an Xbox 360 (and I had a Wii for a while). Though I guess it also helped that I never experienced the same permeation of "Mario vs. Sonic" that apparently everyone else did while growing up in the 90's.

It's always just been a way for me to play the games I want.

Though, unless you're talking about the prices of games on places like GoG and Steam, I think it's pretty hard to say that PCs undercut Sony and Microsoft. Sure, you can get a PC well more powerful than their consoles for a competitive price, but you have to dig a fair bit depending on how much power you want. It's not nearly as quick and easy as going into a shop, pointing at something, and saying "I want that, here's a couple hundred bucks for it."

I don't get the " console" loyalty thing either. We just had them all, and gaming rigs. Consoles were for parties, and the rigs were for " gaming"

Consoles are good for having multiple consoles hooked up to multiple TVs in the living areas allowing people to battle it out and pass off controllers. Usually we just get all the consoles, and have a " buffet" of games for parties, but really you don't want hoards of people touching your rigs. LOL

I think they are really screwing up their market here by trying to shift from being the " party box" when that is the only niche they have in the first place.

You can build a good rig for MUCH less, you just have to know where to go for parts. Same goes for LCD TVs. Replace a few capacitors and you can get them for next to nothing! People give them to you for free, you just have to make them work.

If you can read Chinese you have an insane advantage when it comes to parts. I cannot, but my friend can.

 

[GodzillaGuy92]

What gets old is the onslaught of misinformation, rumor, speculation and hyperbole involved, along with a heaping dose of elitism and stereotyping, with just a pinch of insult for flavor.

Why does that description sound so familiar...

 

[blizzaradragon]

People who support the XBone aren't upset that someone else doesn't. What gets old is the onslaught of misinformation, rumor, speculation and hyperbole involved, along with a heaping dose of elitism and stereotyping, with just a pinch of insult for flavor.

So in other words, people who support the Xbone are getting mad that people who don't support the Xbone are treating them like Microsoft is treating everyone right now? Part of why there is so much misinformation and rumors is because Microsoft themselves refuse to clarify almost anything. You can go to pretty much any gaming site and you'll find each one has different information on their policies. Meanwhile Microsoft keeps turning things around, "clarifying" things to make them more confusing, and actively insulting gamers(comments such as "if you want an offline device buy a 360" or "gamers will buy an Xbox One because gamers buy everything" immediately come to mind). If Microsoft can actually get some solid information out and prove to gamers why these policies will actually benefit us, then it should die down some. Until then, Microsoft is bringing it on themselves essentially.

 

[Flames66]

Don't do this, you'll start a singularity! Call The Doctor, we got a major recursion goin down up in this thread!

Also I think it will take a little while for people to get over it.

 

[Zenn3k]

Yo dawg, I heard you like threads...



I agree. Just because some people are willing to get anally perforated by anti-consumer products, doesn't mean the rest of us are.

The fact that people are fine with it actually astounds me.

I feel that anyone who says they are "fine" with it is unable or unwilling to really grasp the full implications. Likely they are under 18 and don't understand what privacy really even means.